Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

tom1ie · 10-07-2020 01:38PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

I thought advice was and still is don't travel abroad this year unless absolutely necessary.

It is from NPHET. But it seems Ryanair, aerlingus and the aviation industry actually run the country.
When do the New government Actually start work by the way?

An Ciarraioch · 10-07-2020 01:38PM

Another interesting development in Spain, this time in the Basque Country, where the local government has banned 200 people who have tested positive for Covid in the last fortnight or who are awaiting results from voting in Sunday's election - of course, even when citing public health grounds, the reaction could cause a significant swing in party support:

https://twitter.com/el_pais/status/1281546014407766018

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 01:40PM

spookwoman wrote: »

RTFN! Its all over the bloody news if you bother to look that there are no definitive numbers as this is still early days. It take months even years for lungs to heal but doctors are seeings a trend. It could be as high as 1 in 5 of those that needed intensive care treatment.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2247086-the-coronavirus-is-leaving-some-people-with-permanent-lung-damage/

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53065340

So you quote two articles.
The first article says some patients could be left......
The second says may be left......
You do realise these are basically guesses,right?
Anyone that was on a ventilator is going to have lung damage that's actually a consequence of such invasive treatment.
I described some posting hysteria on this thread , thank you for giving validation to my comment.

Ficheall · 10-07-2020 01:41PM

FishOnABike wrote: »

The point of a 'green list' is that people will be able to travel to them and return without being required to self quarantine for two weeks. Non essential travel is still advised against though.

Travel from a non 'green list' country and a person would require to self quarantine for two weeks.

The distinction between 'green list' and 'non greenlist' countries regarding the requirement to self quarantine might be significant if a person needed to travel for urgent personal or work reasons.

I don't think people are "required" to quarantine from anywhere, are they? They are requested to, but not forced, if I understand correctly?

The difference between greenlist and other is effectively not having to fill in a form and not receiving a phonecall, no?

stephenjmcd · 10-07-2020 01:43PM

This is part of the interview with DR Scally that was on RTE earlier. After the North have moved in line with the UK position on no quarantine to a list of around 50 countries he basically wants Martin and Donnelly to reach out to NI to implement a quarantine and get the island to 0 cases.

Dr Lambert is much more realistic in his approach.

We're now the complete outlier in this area of the world in terms of restrictions which are now redundant by having a back door through Belfast and you'll not have broken any laws or guidelines.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0710/1152516-coronavirus-travel/

yawhat? · 10-07-2020 01:44PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You realise unless you lockdown permanently or until an effective vaccine is found no country can eradicate the virus. We either live with it and manage the consequences or accept we will be heading back to the stone age.

Going back to the Stone Age. And you accuse others of fearmongering. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 01:44PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

This is part of the interview with DR Scally that was on RTE earlier. After the North have moved in line with the Uk position on quarantine he basically wants Martin and Donnelly to reach out to NI to implement a quarantine and get the island to 0 cases.

Dr Lambert is much more realistic in his approach.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0710/1152516-coronavirus-travel/

In relation to Dr Scally, i as a lay person should not feel justified in labelling him an idiot.

stephenjmcd · 10-07-2020 01:47PM

Ficheall wrote: »

I don't think people are "required" to quarantine from anywhere, are they? They are requested to, but not forced, if I understand correctly?

The difference between greenlist and other is effectively not having to fill in a form and not receiving a phonecall, no?

Remains to be seen if you'd still need to fill in the form in the event of contact tracing being needed but then again airlines have your details.
But no you wouldn't get any phone calls or be advised to isolate if coming from a greenlist country and your correct in saying nobody is currently required to quarantine

KrustyUCC · 10-07-2020 01:48PM

Beanybabog wrote: »

I was just listening to the radio and someone (and I didn’t catch her name but the way she was being interview sounded like a politician) said that the advice on no travel stands and that was always the intention that the “green” countries list was still supposed to be essential travel only. I don’t think anyone understood that to be the point of the green list?? It’s pointless then

Lisa Chambers I think

yawhat? · 10-07-2020 01:50PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Well done on taking the meaning you wanted from my comment.
Has Dyson installed the vaccination machines you mentioned in Witherspoon's yet?
You can accuse me of hypocrisy, as I can accuse you of posting outlandish BS. Best we both leave it there.
I stand over what I said about your excellent comment yesterday, hard to believe your comments today are from the same poster. Was you account hacked?

You must be confusing me with someone else. Dyson?

s1ippy · 10-07-2020 01:54PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

How many?

As many as 87% of covid patients are still experiencing various symptoms 60+ days after the first signs of illness.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/covid-19-causes-far-more-symptoms-than-first-suspected-2260587

Here are irish articles featuring Ciara Kelly (taking a well earned holiday from bashing childcare professionals this week, although I attribute her behaviour to the brain fog she's apparently experiencing)

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/opinion/comment/my-family-had-virus-antibody-test-with-surprising-results-39321802.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/covid-19-post-coronavirus-syndrome-is-absolutely-a-real-thing-1.4286521

SeaBreezes · 10-07-2020 01:54PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

How many?

At the moment stats look like 1 in 8 get long term sequelae but they dont know if damage is permanent or will heal over years.

Theres a few published papers in lancet on sequelae but estimates on numbers affected and ratios wont really be known for a couple of years. This is best guess estimate on current numbers

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 01:55PM

yawhat? wrote: »

You must be confusing me with someone else. Dyson?

Actually my apologies I did , response deleted. Feel free to reread my comment that you picked only one part of to base your accusation on.

ACitizenErased · 10-07-2020 01:55PM

spookwoman wrote: »

RTFN! Its all over the bloody news if you bother to look that there are no definitive numbers as this is still early days. It take months even years for lungs to heal but doctors are seeings a trend. It could be as high as 1 in 5 of those that needed intensive care treatment.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2247086-the-coronavirus-is-leaving-some-people-with-permanent-lung-damage/

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53065340

Is this not the exact same as any other viral pneumonia?

DebDynamite · 10-07-2020 02:00PM

is_that_so wrote: »

A quarantine cannot be enforced, we don't have the laws for it. It also looks very bad. I linked to a story yesterday about Melbourne and how the conversation about COVID-19 had taken quite a nasty turn. It's also happening in NZ. You're veering that way. I believe that travel has accounted for 5 cases over the last week, the rest is all home-grown.

You believe wrong. Only yesterday, 15 out of our 23 cases for that day were travel related.

Goldengirl · 10-07-2020 02:02PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Northern Ireland has allowed travel inwards from several European countries including Italy with no quarantine required. It's made a nonsense of the bs being peddled by our elected dithereers. Although I suspect the travel advisory here is more to help save the tourist sector rather than public health.

Well that's a ridiculous suggestion .

I don't know why anyone would think that people who have cancelled foreign family holidays to the tune of few thousand would then be in a position to travel and spend in Ireland !

cnocbui · 10-07-2020 02:03PM

spookwoman wrote: »

And there are people also becoming very ill, with permanent organ damage who don't have underlying health problems. This virus doesn't care if you are young and healthy.

What percentage of young and healthy people who become infected, get permanent organ damage as a result?

Goldengirl · 10-07-2020 02:04PM

YellowBucket wrote: »

So basically society be damned! Old people be damned! Pay for my pint with billions spent on combating a second wave?

Great! Well done there.

Wow, some reversal of opinion there from Caveat...could it be irony?

yawhat? · 10-07-2020 02:06PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually my apologies I did , response deleted. Feel free to reread my comment that you picked only one part of to base your accusation on.

You made an either / or statement. The or was we are heading back to the Stone Age.

I don’t believe there is any scenario where we are heading back to the stone age. That’s fearmongering and hysterical. Both of which you have accused others of doing. Hypocrisy.

Elmer Blooker · 10-07-2020 02:08PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Lisa Chambers I think

I heard her, the usual politician stuff , more money for this, more money for that ...'stimulus packages' blah blah blah.
NOT once have I heard a RTE presenter ask - 'where is all this money coming from?'
When Pearse Doherty is interviewed on RTE he is asked sarcastically - 'where is all this money going to come from? A magic money tree?'

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 02:09PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Well that's a ridiculous suggestion .

I don't know why anyone would think that people who have cancelled foreign family holidays to the tune of few thousand would then be in a position to travel and spend in Ireland !

You're right its a ridiculous suggestion, at no time was government telling people not to book foreign travel or Eamon Ryan make a stupid comment about people booking holidays even back in 2019 or Jan/Feb this year and failte Ireland didn't start a staycation campaign.
Ridiculous indeed.

Goldengirl · 10-07-2020 02:11PM

cnocbui wrote: »

What percentage of young and healthy people who become infected, get permanent organ damage as a result?

How do you expect anyone to answer that?
Cases are just being found now , and it will be a while more before those numbers are confirmed .
As a regular contributor here you know that has been discussed before and is legit .
Lung scarring , renal damage, among other issues, but prevalence will not be something that will have any real data until longitudinal studies are done.

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 02:12PM

yawhat? wrote: »

You made an either / or statement. The or was we are heading back to the Stone Age.

I don’t believe there is any scenario where we are heading back to the stone age. That’s fearmongering and hysterical. Both of which you have accused others of doing. Hypocrisy.

Actually I have repeatedly said we need to live alongside the virus and minimise the dangers as much as possible. The stone age analogy was the alternative to recognising reality particularly when some posters here have suggested bears got it right by living in caves. It's usually a good idea if you look at a few posts from a poster before you wade in with accusations.
I have no problem calling out scaremongering or hysteria when I see it. Feel free to call it what you want. I prefer pragmatism tbh.

SeaBreezes · 10-07-2020 02:13PM

cnocbui wrote: »

What percentage of young and healthy people who become infected, get permanent organ damage as a result?

Perhaps you could tell us cnocbui?

I know they have found lesions in children they didnt even know were sick.
On their lungs, kidneys and hearts.. but it was only a small sample.

Maybe you have better medical guideance that could put our minds at rest?
Link to the papers here for us please?

Thanks.

SeaBreezes · 10-07-2020 02:15PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually I have repeatedly said we need to live alongside the virus and minimise the dangers as much as possible. The stone age analogy was the alternative to recognising reality particularly when some posters here have suggested bears got it right by living in caves. It's usually a good idea if you look at a few posts from a poster before you wade in with accusations.
I have no problem calling out scaremongering or hysteria when I see it. Feel free to call it what you want. I prefer pragmatism tbh.

Your killing me.. :-) like you did with your clap back to this poster?

Oh wait.

ACitizenErased · 10-07-2020 02:15PM

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1281576229024542720?s=21

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 02:18PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Your killing me.. :-) like you did with your clap back to this poster?

Oh wait.

No idea what you are saying, clarification prehaps?

ACitizenErased · 10-07-2020 02:19PM

Northern Ireland:

0 deaths for the 7th day running
4 additional cases
0 cases in ICU for 14th day running

Goldengirl · 10-07-2020 02:21PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You're right its a ridiculous suggestion, at no time was government telling people not to book foreign travel or Eamon Ryan make a stupid comment about people booking holidays even back in 2019 or Jan/Feb this year and failte Ireland didn't start a staycation campaign.
Ridiculous indeed.

Oh no . The ridiculous part is your suggestion that the government are somehow using the no foreign travel suggestion to get people to staycation .
Borders Failte that's their job to encourage people to holiday in Ireland, and Eamon Ryan doesn't want people flying as an environmentalist, nothing new there .

You and whomever just fly out on your holidays , nobody is stopping you ,but stop with the bloody conspiracy theories.
Anybody else who is worried about it will stay home but may have no money left to pay for a staycation.

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 02:23PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Oh no . The ridiculous part is your suggestion that the government are somehow using the no foreign travel suggestion to get people to staycation .
Borders Failte that's their job to encourage people to holiday in Ireland, and Eamon Ryan doesn't want people flying as an environmentalist, nothing new there .

You and whomever just fly out on your holidays , nobody is stopping you ,but stop with the bloody conspiracy theories.
Anybody else who is worried about it will stay home but may have no money left to pay for a staycation.

What's with the aggressive tone? Is there really a need for it?

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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