Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

tom1ie · 10-07-2020 09:10AM

is_that_so wrote: »

There seems to be an assumption with airports that we will be back to March. Even in countries who have seen imported cases they have been small in number and we are far better able to deal with it now. Some of the suggestions are draconian and disproportionate to the actual risk.

So what do you suggest? Continue to allow American tourists in (which goes against Eu advice btw) and hope they will quarantine?

is_that_so · 10-07-2020 09:11AM

mr zulu wrote: »

More false news, I work in killarney, not a sign of American tourists only Irish holiday makers.

Keep up with your Whatsapp news for God's sake!

UrbanFret · 10-07-2020 09:12AM

How about a field lab at the airport with a 2 hr turn around for result. Surely that's achievable. It's been a fudge on everything from the get go.

MickeyLeari · 10-07-2020 09:13AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

thats great, but whats your opinion on the govt letting in a constant flow of visitors to this Country? i see 5 airplanes from the US this morning, of about 200 airplanes landing today.

thats ok though is it? tell the Irish not to leave while letting everyone else in.

Letting people in from riskier destinations.

By the way I recognise there are risks especially if you have groups of people Including from destinations with high number of cases who are not socially distancing in nightclubs etc. returning to Ireland.

is_that_so · 10-07-2020 09:14AM

tom1ie wrote: »

So what do you suggest? Continue to allow American tourists in (which goes against Eu advice btw) and hope they will quarantine?

How many American tourists are actually coming in? My impression is that most of them are Irish people. I think the possible testing of passengers from high risk areas is a better approach for all.

tom1ie · 10-07-2020 09:16AM

is_that_so wrote: »

How many American tourists are actually coming in? My impression is that most of them are Irish people. I think the possible testing of passengers from high risk areas is a better approach for all.

Well honestly we (I) don’t know, it would be nice to get those figures so we can gauge the potential risk.
However one or two asymptomatic carriers could cause a lot of seeding so why take the risk?
There’s not a lot we can do about the uk but at least we could do something about the Americans.

MickeyLeari · 10-07-2020 09:17AM

Northern Ireland has decided to green lane from France, Germany, Italy and Spain so I think that is a good signal for 20 July.

ednwireland · 10-07-2020 09:21AM

giveitholly wrote: »

Any link or reliable source for this apparent news?

not sure this is reliable but here goes

https://extra.ie/2020/07/05/news/irish-news/fears-flagged-us-tourists-visiting-ireland

plenty of british tourists around donegal aas well and small dublin reg rentals (obviously absolutely nothing like a normal summer ) but i doubt they are quarantining.

stephenjmcd · 10-07-2020 09:22AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Northern Ireland has decided to green lane from France, Germany, Italy and Spain so I think that is a good signal for 20 July.

If anything it puts the government here in a more difficult position, we know they don't want travel but now there's essentially a green light to enter the island via Belfast and no questions asked which makes measures in Dublin redundant for any country on the NI green list.

copeyhagen · 10-07-2020 09:23AM

giveitholly wrote: »

Any link or reliable source for this apparent news?

heard the same from a work mate that lives there yesterday.

ceadaoin. · 10-07-2020 09:24AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

thats great, but whats your opinion on the govt letting in a constant flow of visitors to this Country? i see 5 airplanes from the US this morning, of about 200 airplanes landing today.

thats ok though is it? tell the Irish not to leave while letting everyone else in.

And are those planes full of a "constant flow" of American tourists? Do you have the figures for this? Pretty sure they are practically empty. They cant cancel those routes because they'll lose them, so they keep them going as long as they can for operational reasons. But I really doubt there are the usual level of tourists given that its a pandemic and travel is advised against by the US gov and also, loads of Americans are unemployed and broke right now. Hardly the time for a trip to Europe.

copeyhagen · 10-07-2020 09:25AM

tom1ie wrote: »

Well honestly we (I) don’t know, it would be nice to get those figures so we can gauge the potential risk.
However one or two asymptomatic carriers could cause a lot of seeding so why take the risk?
There’s not a lot we can do about the uk but at least we could do something about the Americans.

we dont know because we are drip fed information (not much at that) to keep everyone in fear.

copeyhagen · 10-07-2020 09:26AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

And are those planes full of a "constant flow" of American tourists? Do you have the figures for this? Pretty sure they are practically empty. They cant cancel those routes because they'll lose them, so they keep them going as long as they can for operational reasons. But I really doubt there are the usual level of tourists given that its a pandemic and travel is advised against by the US gov and also, loads of Americans are unemployed and broke right now. Hardly the time for a trip to Europe.

ok, so you think theres 200 empty planes landing in Ireland today. cool.

i live in Swords. do you? i have seen the amount of people in the area with suitcases over the last 2 weeks

MickeyLeari · 10-07-2020 09:28AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

If anything it puts the government here in a more difficult position, we know they don't want travel but now there's essentially a green light to enter the island via Belfast and no questions asked which makes measures in Dublin redundant for any country on the NI green list.

Many will leave and return via Dublin which makes it even more bizarre.

ixoy · 10-07-2020 09:31AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

i live in Swords. do you? i have seen the amount of people in the area with suitcases over the last 2 weeks

Do you know if they're American though as I thought that's what we're referring to in particular.

copeyhagen · 10-07-2020 09:31AM

ixoy wrote: »

Do you know if they're American though as I thought that's what we're referring to in particular.

my point was theres about 200 planes landing today, so we are open for business, while at the same time being told not to travel, which is bullsh1t from the Govt

drunkmonkey · 10-07-2020 09:32AM

I was in Terryglass Sunday and could hear plenty of American accents.

Renjit · 10-07-2020 09:32AM

One has to consider the way pandemic is transpiring in US, some US tourists will not give much thought before traveling for their vacations. The entitlement transcends borders.

thelad95 · 10-07-2020 09:33AM

There has been no evidence whatsoever of a vast influx of American tourists coming into the country apart from some unverified anecdotal crap that was reported to a radio station which was probably just looking to invoke a reaction.

My sister and her partner just went for a weekend in Clare and spent a lot of time around Doolin, including having dinner twice. They did not hear one American accent. If there's no Americans around here I can nearly guarantee there is none in any of the usual other hotspots.

America is still under a *Do Not Travel" advisory and despite what you see in the news every day the vast majority of Americans are sensible, responsible citizens and are terrified at the current situation. The influx simply is not and will not happen.

ceadaoin. · 10-07-2020 09:35AM

Renjit wrote: »

One has to consider the way pandemic is transpiring in US, some US tourists will not give much thought before traveling for their vacations. The entitlement transcends borders.

No. The minority of people who dont give a **** aren't traveling to Europe. And yes, they are a minority despite what you might think. Yeah they'll travel all around the US, but in general the people who can afford to travel to Europe are a bit more sensible.

Also there is a do not travel advisory in place. Believe or not, people take notice of these things, even "dumb americans"

Renjit · 10-07-2020 09:35AM

thelad95 wrote: »

America is still under a *Do Not Travel" advisory and despite what you see in the news every day the vast majority of Americans are sensible, responsible citizens and are terrified at the current situation. The influx simply is not and will not happen.

There were enough wise responsible citizens to elect Trump

is_that_so · 10-07-2020 09:35AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

my point was theres about 200 planes landing today, so we are open for business, while at the same time being told not to travel, which is bullsh1t from the Govt

We've always been open for business, currently at under 10K a day in and out. Imported cases now in other countries are very small.

ceadaoin. · 10-07-2020 09:36AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

ok, so you think theres 200 empty planes landing in Ireland today. cool.

i live in Swords. do you? i have seen the amount of people in the area with suitcases over the last 2 weeks

I thought you were specifically talking about americans? There aren't tons of American tourists going to ireland right now so you can calm down

is_that_so · 10-07-2020 09:36AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I was in Terryglass Sunday and could hear plenty of American accents.

I hear that on the streets amongst the tweens!

copeyhagen · 10-07-2020 09:39AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I thought you were specifically talking about americans? There aren't tons of American tourists going to ireland right now so you can calm down

case closed so, the planes are empty. phew.

ceadaoin. · 10-07-2020 09:41AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

case closed so, the planes are empty. phew.

well can you prove otherwise? Do you have the travel stats? Did you interview all the people with suitcases that youve seen to ascertain their origin? No you haven't so..

Hardly any Americans are traveling to europe right now. 5 flights is a lot less than usual. If anything its repatriations coming back to ireland or other european countries transiting through. You cant stop those, sorry.

Renjit · 10-07-2020 09:44AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Also there is a do not travel advisory in place. Believe or not, people take notice of these things, even "dumb americans"

The cases and lawlessness there say otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkBseVTUow

10-07-2020 09:45AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I'm scared to leave my county let alone the country

This is not normal

ixoy · 10-07-2020 09:45AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

my point was theres about 200 planes landing today, so we are open for business, while at the same time being told not to travel, which is bullsh1t from the Govt

Well I agree that's a fair point but, from a risk point of view, it's where any passengers are coming from that we need to be concerned with. Broadly, those coming from the other EU-green countries, are little more risk than any Irish person travelling. Spain, Italy, etc are no longer hot beds and there's plenty of German people for example going to holiday in Italy, Spain and I'm not aware of any viral spikes. Whereas, if they were going to Brazil, there'd be far more room for concern.

ceadaoin. · 10-07-2020 09:47AM

Renjit wrote: »

The cases and lawlessness there say otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkBseVTUow

sorry dont watch YouTube links but no doubt all that select group, out of the hundreds of millions of Americans are on flights to Ireland right now. Good luck

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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