Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

igCorcaigh · 10-07-2020 01:30AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

We should invoke the spirit of Dev while not angering anyone. (we shouldn't ) UK want to do likewise. Their domestic economy is far more valuable to them so worth protecting.

I give out a lot about Ireland. By Ireland I mean the political decisions we make. The fact we get basic things right stems from the fact we were oppressed and impoverished and emigrated. And we are still standing. We got the basics right which others fail to grasp either through anger / hubris or fear. There is a clear divide in the world in those who trust in science and those who trust in demigods. (I don't know if I'm religious, figure. of speech sorry) Happy to live on this island with like minded people.

Applause!

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 01:32AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Let's just say, as an example, Spain isn't on this green list they're announcing.

Does that mean Irish are, by law (and that's an important distinction), not allowed enter Spain?

There is no law at present preventing you travelling to another European country, do you expect the government to enact a law to prevent travel to a fellow EU member?

caveat emptor · 10-07-2020 01:35AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There is no law at present preventing you travelling to another European country, do you expect the government to enact a law to prevent travel to a fellow EU member?

While I don't know the details of this discourse. I would like to point out that Central European countries were much quicker to close their borders even though we are an island. I think this is due to a number of reasons.

they were invaded in ww2
they did not exist in the form they do today so the border they have is not permeant and therefore worth protecting
we are all sovereign

fritzelly · 10-07-2020 01:36AM

Strazdas wrote: »

Trump banned flights from the Schengen Area and then added the UK and Ireland to the travel ban a few days later - this was widely reported at the time.

Whats that got to do with the Schengen area banning flights from the US?

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 01:39AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

While I don't know the details of this discourse. I would like to point out that Central European countries were much quicker to close their borders even though we are an island. I think this is due to a number of reasons.
they were invaded in ww2

they did not exist in the form they do today so the border they have is not permeant and therefore worth protecting

we are all sovereign

If you don't know the details of the discourse surely it's incumbent to acquaint one's self before commenting?

caveat emptor · 10-07-2020 01:39AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

While I don't know the details of this discourse. I would like to point out that Central European countries were much quicker to close their borders even though we are an island. I think this is due to a number of reasons.
they were invaded in ww2

they did not exist in the form they do today so the border they have is not permeant and therefore worth protecting

we are all sovereign

Just a quick reminder for people what that actually entails.

A sovereign state, in international law, is a political entity that is represented by one centralized government that has sovereignty over a geographic area. International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1] It is also normally understood that a sovereign state is neither dependent on nor subjected to any other power or state.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state

caveat emptor · 10-07-2020 01:40AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

If you don't know the details of the discourse surely it's incumbent to acquaint one's self before commenting?

not arsed, points still valid to said discourse.

ShineOn7 · 10-07-2020 01:40AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There is no law at present preventing you travelling to another European country, do you expect the government to enact a law to prevent travel to a fellow EU member?

I'm asking what exactly this green list that's coming means as far as the law and travel goes. Not what's at present, but what will be in the future with the green list

If it's the Government just giving "recommendations" again then they'll be ignored

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 01:42AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

not arsed

An ignorant and lazy reply. Not surprised. You have a good night.
To follow your edit. Your points are nonsense, most of Europe declared an emergency which allowed the closure of borders we didn't.

jobeenfitz · 10-07-2020 01:42AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There is no law at present preventing you travelling to another European country, do you expect the government to enact a law to prevent travel to a fellow EU member?

I was in Spain for most of the winter. I'm back a week. Hoping to go for a long stay again September. I wore a mask in Spain in shops and public transport. I don't get all the fear.

fritzelly · 10-07-2020 01:44AM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

I was in Spain for most of the winter. I'm back a week. Hoping to go for a long stay again September. I wore a mask in Spain in shops and public transport. I don't get all the fear.

So you're the reason for the surge in cases

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 01:45AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I'm asking what exactly this green list that's coming means as far as the law and travel goes. Not what's at present, but what will be in the future with the green list

If it's the Government just giving "recommendations" again then they'll be ignored

There is no law at present regarding travel, an advisory only is in place. I can also confidently predict there won't be one either. Firstly the government will not go against Brussels secondly banning travel will put pressure on the government to pay compensation for holidays cancelled. Much easier to have individuals trying to shame others into not travelling, as evidenced on this and other threads.

ShineOn7 · 10-07-2020 01:50AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There is no law at present regarding travel, an advisory only is in place. I can also confidently predict there won't be one either. Firstly the government will not go against Brussels secondly banning travel will put pressure on the government to pay compensation for holidays cancelled. Much easier to have individuals trying to shame others into not travelling, as evidenced on this and other threads.

Then - again - what the hell is the Green List all about then?

fritzelly · 10-07-2020 01:52AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Then - again - what the hell is the Green List all about then?

Half arsed attempt at pretending to look like they know what they are doing

Should have been done by the 9th, pushed out to the 20th - probably pushed out again and some weak arsed list of countries in Europe

caveat emptor · 10-07-2020 01:54AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

An ignorant and lazy reply. Not surprised. You have a good night.
To follow your edit. Your points are nonsense, most of Europe declared an emergency which allowed the closure of borders we didn't.

Ok don't call me lazy.
That's rude.

So while most people were saying "how could we possibly close the border , but Brussels?" several countries did it before us. Austria was the first. They like Italy but they said **** this ****.

Also who are you calling ignorant. What's your deal. I understand you needed things to go back to normal and hospitals to reopen for an urgent family medical matter.

Don't let that cloud your judgement though on what's right for the nation. I'd do the same by the way.

Why are you calling me lazy and ignorant?

caveat emptor · 10-07-2020 02:01AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

An ignorant and lazy reply. Not surprised. You have a good night.
To follow your edit. Your points are nonsense, most of Europe declared an emergency which allowed the closure of borders we didn't.

To prove I'm not lazy.......here's a post from 4 months ago.......

caveat emptor wrote: »

It is completely possible to have border checks / controls and it occurs regularly in Europe due to migrant crisis mainly.
People get pulled off the bus going from Dublin to Holyhead despite the common travel area. I wonder how many borders people have actually crossed.

It's not all Ryanair and lollipops out in mainland Europe.

"A Schengen state is permitted to reinstate border controls with another Schengen country for a short period where there is a serious threat to that state's "public policy or internal security" or when the "control of an external border is no longer ensured due to exceptional circumstances"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheng...order_controls

ShineOn7 · 10-07-2020 02:02AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Half arsed attempt at pretending to look like they know what they are doing

Should have been done by the 9th, pushed out to the 20th - probably pushed out again and some weak arsed list of countries in Europe

And I'm guessing they will be more "recommendations" and not compulsory right?

Ladies and gentlemen; our spineless Government

dfx- · 10-07-2020 02:07AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Gov.ie/Reddit summary from a member there called Laura who transcribes the highlights of the briefings

New Cases: 23
Denotified Cases: N/A
Total Cases: 25,565
New Deaths: 6
Denotified: 1
Total Deaths: 1,743

As of Tuesday 7th July
Total cases: 25,543

Hospitalised: 3,328

Currently hospitalised: 13

ICU: 436

Current ICU: 9

Healthcare workers: 8,265

Clusters: 1,994

Cases associated with clusters: 13,019

In last 14 days
Total cases notified: 170

Occurred in last 14 days: 140

Average age: 34

Underlying conditions: 29%

Healthcare workers: 45%

Cases in Dublin: 55

Cases in Kildare: 23

Cases in Sligo: 16

Other counties 46

Residential Settings (Includes nursing homes)
Clusters: 462

Total Cases: 7411

Total Deaths: 1104

Nursing Homes
Clusters: 261

Total Cases: 5832

Total Deaths: 983

Modelling & Statistics
Average of 1 death per day

Average of 10 in ICU day on day

Over 6000 tests done - over 50% increase

Small increase in number of positive cases

14 day cumulative incidence is a very good indicator of active infection in community - this has risen.

As of today about 4 per 100,000. This is a little higher this week than the last 2 weeks

To a certain extent this is expected as people move freely

Confirmed case count per day, going back 6 weeks from today - broadly speaking very low levels of disease, nothing to be concerned of.

Especially three weeks ago where 61 cases were confirmed total.

Last two weeks we have seen little bit more incidence cases

Increase of cases means an increase in reproductive number - this is unreliable when you have low numbers.

We have one (artifically high) of 2.49 - this is very deliberately comparing three weeks ago against this week

Imperial model gives an estimate of 0.8 - this is based on the number of deaths, and fortunately we haven't seen a large increase

Best estimate is a statistical method combining a number of factors. This gives our reproductive number of at or just above 1

Cases arising in different settings - last week very low in LTRC.

3 weeks ago there were no outbreaks, however this is on the rise (including travel related)

Closely monitoring age distribution of cases, excluding those in healthcare and LTRC.

Seeing more cases in younger people - this is being very carefully monitored, along with the nature of transmission

60% of cases are close contact with confirmed cases

Others are community, others healthcare

15-20% travel related

We're talking of case numbers of less than one per county. 10 cases a day for two weeks, only four a day in Dublin. We're talking percentages of low numbers, the virus is clearly not running wild. I'd find that R value (as high as London) very hard to believe.

fritzelly · 10-07-2020 02:09AM

dfx- wrote: »

We're talking of case numbers of less than one per county. 10 cases a day in two weeks. We're talking percentages of low numbers. I'd find that R value (as high as London) very hard to believe.

If 5 positive people pass it on to 5 other people that gives an R0 of 1 - what's hard to believe?

Goldengirl · 10-07-2020 02:42AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There is no law at present regarding travel, an advisory only is in place. I can also confidently predict there won't be one either. Firstly the government will not go against Brussels secondly banning travel will put pressure on the government to pay compensation for holidays cancelled. Much easier to have individuals trying to shame others into not travelling, as evidenced on this and other threads.

No shaming . . Go wherever you want , but you have to see that people need to isolate for 14 days on return.
I see nothing wrong with travelling if this is done.

JP Liz V1 · 10-07-2020 03:00AM

65,000 new US cases

ShineOn7 · 10-07-2020 03:13AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

65,000 new US cases

I think they're looking at a 2 year hangover from this and maybe even a 2 year virus tail

Tokyo · 10-07-2020 04:37AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

not arsed, points still valid to said discourse.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

An ignorant and lazy reply. Not surprised. You have a good night.

Mod: Both of you, cut it out. If you can't engage in reasonable debate, and/or not personalize your posts, then don't post.

caveat emptor · 10-07-2020 04:53AM

Not great for long time recovery.......

https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1281424163891224577?s=21

Rob A. Bank · 10-07-2020 07:16AM

Scientific papers are emerging about the Coronavirus Disease Exposure and Spread from Nightclubs, South Korea

"At least 246 cases of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) have been linked to nightclubs in Seoul, South Korea. During the April 30–May 5 holiday, young adults from across the country who visited nightclubs in Seoul contracted COVID-19 and spread it nationally.

To conduct contact tracing for this outbreak, we used multiple forms of advanced information technology, including location data from mobile devices, credit card payment history, geographic positioning service data, drug utilization review, public transportation transit pass records, and closed-circuit television footage.

Of the 41,612 total tests conducted by May 25, a total of 35,827 (86.1%) were conducted on Itaewon nightclub visitors, 5,785 (13.9%) on contacts of case-patients linked to the Itaewon nightclubs, and 1,627 (3.9%) tests conducted on anonymous persons."

Our contact tracing is no match for the South Korean system. But with our really low levels of infection, we have a fleeting chance to stop infection coming in from hot spots around the world.

Unfortunately we are failing to do that.

WHY ?

petes · 10-07-2020 07:18AM

I've nothing to add but that contact tracing is mental!

Gruffalux · 10-07-2020 07:36AM

"Drug Utilisation Review". Haha those South Koreans are living in the future

10-07-2020 07:38AM

Was like that for a while in Vietnam. You had to give your details when buying anything that could reduce a fever.

stephenjmcd · 10-07-2020 07:44AM

10000maniacs wrote: »

Not to the Irish.

Yes to the Irish, what are you not understanding about this?? All EU countries have been allowed in since borders reopened not just Schengen.

Third countries outside of the European block that are allowed by the EU will soon be allowed to travel into the block

stephenjmcd · 10-07-2020 07:47AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Then - again - what the hell is the Green List all about then?

Green list will simply be a list of countries where if you return to Ireland from you wont have to to self isolate for 14 days.

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