Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

ACitizenErased · 09-07-2020 08:07PM

Hearing of two possible clusters because of house parties involving two GAA clubs in West Cork.

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2020 08:07PM

tom1ie wrote: »

So young people are dying and getting long term complications albeit in small numbers.
I suppose the thing with small percentages of a larger number is as the larger number increases, the smaller percentage numbers also increases.

Tom the evidence from across Europe including here is not hidden. You can get emotive and throw in a few what ifs and the odd outlier but it doesn't change the facts to-date.

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2020 08:08PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Has there been any direction from either of these two on stopping American tourists from entering Ireland? Have the media even asked this question?

No they are too busy getting people living here to wag the finger at other people who live here that plan on going on holidays.

PCeeeee · 09-07-2020 08:10PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Even given today's spike, people are calling for travel bans, quarantines and so forth, rather than wake up to the reality you can't stamp this virus out. A ban on travel might have to be forever. It's ridiculous. No government can afford it. Such a 'cure' is worse then the consequences of facing up to the reality that the virus can outlast our resources and just accepting the consequences, while taking practical and affordable steps to mitigate - such as pervasive mask wearing in enclosed spaces.

Just accepting the consequences will not be acceptable to some people just as more restrictive measures to mitigate the effects of the virus are not acceptable to you.

Part of the facing up to the reality is that accepting that while this virus persists that there will be consequences you don't agree with. Some of these will be restrictions on your previous freedoms that you will not like.

ShineOn7 · 09-07-2020 08:11PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Good news in Italy: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1281289541140254721?s=19

Thanks

I needed that today

I think if we can get our airports under better control we can have a safe as a country can be until/if we get a vaccine or (more likely) very effective treatments

tom1ie · 09-07-2020 08:11PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Tom the evidence from across Europe including here is not hidden. You can get emotive and throw in a few what ifs and the odd outlier but it doesn't change the facts to-date.

Not getting emotive at all plumb. The fact is we are allowing USA tourists and uk Tourist (although I’m not sure what we can do about this) into the country at a time when we have kept numbers low and at a time where we have relaxed restrictions.
It’s bananas to be honest.
Travelling within the Eu imo isn’t a great idea but allowing hotspot tourists in is crazy.

tom1ie · 09-07-2020 08:13PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No they are too busy getting people living here to wag the finger at other people who live here that plan on going on holidays.

Has the question even been asked by our toothless media?

ZX7R · 09-07-2020 08:14PM

So we will have a list of countries that the associated travel cases came from on Monday.
About time.
It might give an indication of what our green list may be

Spanish Eyes · 09-07-2020 08:15PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Who's that?

He's a You Tube vlogger the channel is called Bald and Bankrupt. It's quite interesting, he spends a lot of time in Russia with Vodkaholics in remote areas, can speak the lingo and I enjoyed it during lock down anyway.

JP Liz V1 · 09-07-2020 08:15PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Hearing of two possible clusters because of house parties involving two GAA clubs in West Cork.

Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own stupid actions, complete bellends

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2020 08:15PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Has the question even been asked by our toothless media?

No because they are engaged in the same practice.

Merry_Hell · 09-07-2020 08:17PM

Are hits from the SCOPI serological research project being classified as confirmed covid cases? I see the project is concentrating on sligo and dublin.

09-07-2020 08:18PM

PCeeeee wrote: »

Just accepting the consequences will not be acceptable to some people just as more restrictive measures to mitigate the effects of the virus are not acceptable to you.

Part of the facing up to the reality is that accepting that while this virus persists that there will be consequences you don't agree with. Some of these will be restrictions on your previous freedoms that you will not like.

It’s not freedoms that are the issue. It’s economic survival

JP Liz V1 · 09-07-2020 08:18PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Dept of Foreign affairs and the Dept of transport. So Covney and Ryan

Coveney in the media about his perks i.e. driver, car, Gardai protection etc., and Ryan got a haircut

This "new" government off to an awful start

igCorcaigh · 09-07-2020 08:18PM

I was waiting for someone reputable (Helen Branswell is) to report on this.

May be covid, maybe not.

One to watch anyway.

https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1281300761327132675?s=19

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1281229113290825728?s=19

JP Liz V1 · 09-07-2020 08:21PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Not getting emotive at all plumb. The fact is we are allowing USA tourists and uk Tourist (although I’m not sure what we can do about this) into the country at a time when we have kept numbers low and at a time where we have relaxed restrictions.
It’s bananas to be honest.
Travelling within the Eu imo isn’t a great idea but allowing hotspot tourists in is crazy.

I'd be wary of Spanish, German and Italian coming in also and now we have many Irish heading off abroad

cnocbui · 09-07-2020 08:23PM

PCeeeee wrote: »

Just accepting the consequences will not be acceptable to some people just as more restrictive measures to mitigate the effects of the virus are not acceptable to you.

Part of the facing up to the reality is that accepting that while this virus persists that there will be consequences you don't agree with. Some of these will be restrictions on your previous freedoms that you will not like.

Where have I said explicitly, or implied, that my stance has anything whatsoever to do with my personal circumstances or a resentment of impinged personal freedoms?

Renjit · 09-07-2020 08:24PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Hearing of two possible clusters because of house parties involving two GAA clubs in West Cork.

There goes my plan for Covid rave next week :pac:

niallo27 · 09-07-2020 08:24PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I was waiting for someone reputable (Helen Branswell is) to report on this.

May be covid, maybe not.

One to watch anyway.

https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1281300761327132675?s=19

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1281229113290825728?s=19

Will you go away with that bull****, we have enough to deal with.

ceadaoin. · 09-07-2020 08:26PM

How many US tourists are going to Ireland right now? Anyone got any numbers? I cant imagine its that many. There is still a do not travel advisory in place so trips can be rescheduled or refunded. Many airlines choose to keep running flights even though they are practically empty, especially to busy hub airports, because if they cancel the route temporarily they will lose their slot permanently, so in the long run it makes more sense to keep them going. It doesn't mean there are hoards of Americans flying over

tom1ie · 09-07-2020 08:27PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Coveney in the media about his perks i.e. driver, car, Gardai protection etc., and Ryan got a haircut

This "new" government off to an awful start

I don’t know. It’s crazy. We are hearing more about a minister that was driving slightly over the limit while on a provisional than we are about stopping potentially infected tourists from entering the country so we can better protect our own citizens.
Governments priorities are shocking.

spookwoman · 09-07-2020 08:28PM

Just back from aldi and say about 2 people wearing masks, heard the same for another supermarket,

tom1ie · 09-07-2020 08:29PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I'd be wary of Spanish, German and Italian coming in also and now we have many Irish heading off abroad

If the yanks keep coming over here I’d say the Spanish German and Italian governments will ban Irish tourists!!!

SeaBreezes · 09-07-2020 08:30PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Yes, that the vast majority of young people who have been infected and who don't have other serious health problems wont be suffering long term complications.

Bergamo is a good example of a full-on, near worst case scenario. It was a tragedy, the number of people who died amounted to 0.39% of the population and most were over 65.

Even given today's spike, people are calling for travel bans, quarantines and so forth, rather than wake up to the reality you can't stamp this virus out. A ban on travel might have to be forever. It's ridiculous. No government can afford it. Such a 'cure' is worse then the consequences of facing up to the reality that the virus can outlast our resources and just accepting the consequences, while taking practical and affordable steps to mitigate - such as pervasive mask wearing in enclosed spaces.

You cant stamp it our but you can control/slow it down.
If the virus is allowed to build to overwhelm HealthCare and the economy suffers as well as death rate /people sweden has proved that already.

So travel bans from hotspots, quarantine are all good ideas and used successfully in countries where they have the virus under control.

And their economies are doing well as well.

Its a fine balance, between travel ban from hotspots, quarantine, and life as usual.. too extreme either way and countries are in trouble.

ShineOn7 · 09-07-2020 08:30PM

Renjit wrote: »

Update from Baldy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clscC120ZQM

I was expecting that to be quite click baity but it's actually a great insight

A must see for those who think it's only old people who can get seriously fecked up with this. He's only in his mid 40s and he ended up in ICU

We need to stop describing cases like this as "outliers", it's becoming as annoying a phrase as "new normal"

He also explains a long recovery ahead (a few months) before his lungs are near 100%. In the video his arms get weak holding the camera so he has to keep swapping the hand he's holding it in

Yet, he'd be listed as "recovered" from the virus

We need more of a spotlight on the fact that "Recovered" from this can mean far from it. 92% in Ireland aren't recovered from this. They simply aren't testing positive for it anymore. There's many people like this guy all over Ireland, yet our media barely talk about them. The Irish media present the 92% stat constantly and rarely speak about after effects

Funniest bit was when he mentions the strangest side effect of all the antibiotics that was pumped into him: his cóck shrank!

Essential viewing. He's very likable but tells it like it is here. Thanks for the link

cnocbui · 09-07-2020 08:30PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Just back from aldi and say about 2 people wearing masks, heard the same for another supermarket,

How many of the staff have you seen wearing masks over tha last 2 months?

US2 · 09-07-2020 08:30PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Silly comment.

Whats silly about it? People have been telling us the 2nd wave will be here in 2 weeks every weekend since it started. Its like People enjoy being scared.

stephenjmcd · 09-07-2020 08:31PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Has there been any direction from either of these two on stopping American tourists from entering Ireland? Have the media even asked this question?

Don't recall it being asked to be honest

stephenjmcd · 09-07-2020 08:32PM

ZX7R wrote: »

So we will have a list of countries that the associated travel cases came from on Monday.
About time.
It might give an indication of what our green list may be

last time they gave an update it was US, UK, Portugal, Ukraine, Sweden, India and Bangladesh. So this time expect Iraq to be added on anyway.

spookwoman · 09-07-2020 08:33PM

cnocbui wrote: »

How many of the staff have you seen wearing masks over tha last 2 months?

Don't see staff but usually see a lot more customers wearing them

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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