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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • #3182
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Well he probably didn't get the surge he was hoping for after yesterday's numbers so we get the pissy indignant digs now as we regularly do after low numbers.

    Not enough substance in this post.


  • #3183
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Will employers have to ask staff members to take time out of work and self isolate or quarantine themselves away from work if staff engage in high risk activities? Like attending a wedding, concert, going to mass, travel abroad - otherwise employers are neglecting their duty to keep the team safe.

    I saw a company in London advertising a job saying please don't apply if you're using public transport. The nerve of it! I wonder how many in the company are using pubs etc on a regular basis. I should have reported it to be honest.


  • #3184
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    fr336 wrote: »
    Not enough substance in this post.

    May I ask when where you elevated to the ranks of the Mods?


  • #3185
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Will employers have to ask staff members to take time out of work and self isolate or quarantine themselves away from work if staff engage in high risk activities? Like attending a wedding, concert, going to mass, travel abroad - otherwise employers are neglecting their duty to keep the team safe.

    One of my team members went home to Poland last weekend for a break. On return he won't be able to come in to the office for two weeks. Obviously can't comment on other companies procedures as I don't know them but that's the stance we've taken.


  • #3186
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    May I ask when where you elevated to the ranks of the Mods?

    More substance here.


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  • #3187
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Most US states on their own would top the world infection rankings:

    https://twitter.com/JohnFugelsang/status/1280918839828582400


  • #3188
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,237 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    fr336 wrote: »
    More substance here.

    Keep it up. The thread will soon be useless.

    :rolleyes:


  • #3189
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Keep it up. The thread will soon be useless.

    :rolleyes:

    It's been useless since May. Gone from balanced, intelligent discussion from all sides to a clique of "positivity" and if you don't agree with us there's the door. I'm not too fussed, it's only an online forum obviously, but it's just annoying I have to deal with the same types in real life.


  • #3190
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    fr336 wrote: »
    More substance here.

    It seems you are being indulged at the moment, it may be short lived though. I'll say goodbye now in case I don't a chance later.


  • #3191
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    fr336 wrote: »
    It's been useless since May. Gone from balanced, intelligent discussion from all sides to a clique of "positivity" and if you don't agree with us there's the door. I'm not too fussed, it's only an online forum obviously, but it's just annoying I have to deal with the same types in real life.

    The case levels here have become statistically negligible, even after going through all the phases - maybe there'll be a spike in a fortnight from pubs reopening, but we can't do any more in this country to prevent the disease as long as we control air travel.


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  • #3192
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,237 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    fr336 wrote: »
    It's been useless since May. Gone from balanced, intelligent discussion from all sides to a clique of "positivity" and if you don't agree with us there's the door. I'm not too fussed, it's only an online forum obviously, but it's just annoying I have to deal with the same types in real life.

    Maybe that's because it's how people feel. Thus valid for opinion and discussion. We can't just have points made that agree with you - neither here nor in real life.


  • #3193
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Maybe that's because it's how people feel. Thus valid for opinion and discussion. We can't just have points made that agree with you - neither here nor in real life.

    Did you read my post? It's not me trying to hound people out who don't agree with me. Anyway Jim I don't remember you posting any crap so this doesn't apply to you.


  • #3194
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It seems you are being indulged at the moment, it may be short lived though. I'll say goodbye now in case I don't a chance later.

    Thanks, I reported this instead of getting into another conversation.


  • #3195
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    fr336 wrote: »
    It's been useless since May. Gone from balanced, intelligent discussion from all sides to a clique of "positivity" and if you don't agree with us there's the door. I'm not too fussed, it's only an online forum obviously, but it's just annoying I have to deal with the same types in real life.

    There is no clique of positivity. But for a prolonged period are numbers have been continually declining in Ireland. Something I think that is to be positive about.


  • #3196
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    ShyMets wrote: »
    There is no clique of positivity.
    There absolutely is, and it is particularly nasty.



    The numbers have been declining in this country, and it's wonderful, but there are still very legitimate causes for concern, but any time these are raised, certain posters will come out with the "Oh, I bet you want more people to die" or "I bet the bad news turns you on" jibes. It's pretty disgusting that it's allowed to continue unfettered.


  • #3197
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Ficheall wrote: »
    There absolutely is, and it is particularly nasty.



    The numbers have been declining in this country, and it's wonderful, but there are still very legitimate causes for concern, but any time these are raised, certain posters will come out with the "Oh, I bet you want more people to die" or "I bet the bad news turns you on" jibes. It's pretty disgusting that it's allowed to continue unfettered.

    Exactly. You can be positive without attacking those who may be positive too but also want to post facts. Why the jibes guys? There's no need. They won't answer this question of course because there is no excuse for it. They must be buddies with the mods.


  • #3198
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    The case levels here have become statistically negligible, even after going through all the phases - maybe there'll be a spike in a fortnight from pubs reopening, but we can't do any more in this country to prevent the disease as long as we control air travel.

    I think that you've a typo in your last sentence there. However, the case load is not negligible or statistically negligible.

    Consider Isreal, they did a lot better job than we did initially in suppressing the virus, they relaxed their guard and then boom 1000 cases a day.

    We have a whole range of options on additional measures we could take, to manage the spread of this virus, to suggest we don't is just ridiculous, even without closing the airports.


  • #3199
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    fr336 wrote: »
    It's been useless since May. Gone from balanced, intelligent discussion from all sides to a clique of "positivity" and if you don't agree with us there's the door. I'm not too fussed, it's only an online forum obviously, but it's just annoying I have to deal with the same types in real life.
    So what your saying is your annoyed dealing with people who disagree with your point of view.


  • #3200
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fr336 wrote: »
    I saw a company in London advertising a job saying please don't apply if you're using public transport. The nerve of it! I wonder how many in the company are using pubs etc on a regular basis. I should have reported it to be honest.

    People who routinely get public transport to work are not eligible for the first wave of the return to office in my company. So if this company in London is not able to provide WFH arrangements, it’s probably much the same thing

    (Edit, the whole return to work for us is voluntary, but only those who walk or cycle can come in. No one drives)


  • #3201
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    fr336 wrote: »
    Exactly. You can be positive without attacking those who may be positive too but also want to post facts. Why the jibes guys? There's no need. They won't answer this question of course because there is no excuse for it. They must be buddies with the mods.
    Have you gotten it all out of your system yet? You can't complain about the slipping standards of the page and occupy 2 pages with your whinging at the same time. If you've an issue with people's posts flag them for the mods.

    For any adults interested, there's more good news on the Oxford vaccine. One thing of note, Astra zeneca say they can create a billion doses in two months. Incredible stuff. I've attached an article from The I below.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/science/coronavirus-vaccine-uk-latest-oxford-race-scientists-august-covid-19-trials-497704/amp


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  • #3202
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    lukas8888 wrote: »
    So what your saying is your annoyed dealing with people who disagree with your point of view.

    No that is not what I said. Read it again. Tell me, what do you think of those who taunt those they disagree with saying "yeah bet you're disappointed there weren't more cases and deaths weren't you" Do you support this kind of behaviour? Or do you think it should be moderated?


  • #3203
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Ficheall wrote: »
    There absolutely is, and it is particularly nasty.



    The numbers have been declining in this country, and it's wonderful, but there are still very legitimate causes for concern, but any time these are raised, certain posters will come out with the "Oh, I bet you want more people to die" or "I bet the bad news turns you on" jibes. It's pretty disgusting that it's allowed to continue unfettered.

    Agreed.

    I’ve pmd a mod about this. This thread has been abhorrent since I came back a few weeks ago. There is a clique effectively modding this thread and anybody who gets on the wrong side of this group for any reason suffers antagonism , insults and gets chased/hounded off the thread with zero ramifications for the constant attacks.

    It has to be because they report posts more then those they attack because it’s rampant in this thread and it’s only the supposed “doom mongers” who seem to be swept out of the thread.


  • #3204
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Deleted User wrote: »
    People who routinely get public transport to work are not eligible for the first wave of the return to office in my company. So if this company in London is not able to provide WFH arrangements, it’s probably much the same thing

    (Edit, the whole return to work for us is voluntary, but only those who walk or cycle can come in. No one drives)

    But this company was excluding those who use public transport from applying for the job. What about all their employees who go down the pub and other social activities? It felt like they were happy to be excluding a certain class of people.


  • #3205
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,532 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    The case levels here have become statistically negligible, even after going through all the phases - maybe there'll be a spike in a fortnight from pubs reopening, but we can't do any more in this country to prevent the disease as long as we control air travel.

    I find it very interesting that we haven't, thankfully, seen a significant rise in cases after the recent easing of restrictions, or the noticible lack of compliance.

    Does it mean that the more extreme lockdown measures are not required to limit spread of the virus, and that simpler social distancing measures are sufficient?

    It would be great news if that were true, but I guess it's a bit too early to tell. A learning curve as always, but I just find it interesting!


  • #3206
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    fr336 wrote: »
    No that is not what I said. Read it again. Tell me, what do you think of those who taunt those they disagree with saying "yeah bet you're disappointed there weren't more cases and deaths weren't you" Do you support this kind of behaviour? Or do you think it should be moderated?

    Yes i did read your post again,and that is indeed what you said,or your understanding of semantics must be different in the UK.


  • #3207
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    I apologise for any pointless posts, I won't be responding to any morons anymore I'll be reporting them as I should have been doing all along. I was sucked into arguing rather than reporting too easily. Sorry.


  • #3208
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I find it very interesting that we haven't, thankfully, seen a significant rise in cases after the recent easing of restrictions, or the noticible lack of compliance.

    Does it mean that the more extreme lockdown measures are not required to limit spread of the virus, and that simpler social distancing measures are sufficient?

    It would be great news if that were true, but I guess it's a bit too early to tell. A learning curve as always, but I just find it interesting!

    An interesting piece I read on excess deaths. Too early yet I believe to draw a conclusion, but the British and Italian figures stand out for me based on the approach by the two countries.


    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-which-european-regions-had-the-highest-number-of-excess-deaths-12018172


  • #3209
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,252 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Ficheall wrote: »
    There absolutely is, and it is particularly nasty.



    The numbers have been declining in this country, and it's wonderful, but there are still very legitimate causes for concern, but any time these are raised, certain posters will come out with the "Oh, I bet you want more people to die" or "I bet the bad news turns you on" jibes. It's pretty disgusting that it's allowed to continue unfettered.

    100% There is a nasty undercurrent to a lot of it.

    To be honest, it's been the case for weeks. Anything cautious: Curtin twitcher, Doom-monger.
    The irony of this title being given to you by people who are typically breathless with telling everybody there's going to be innumerable suicides because of lockdown is a particularly flabbergasting one.

    Nobody wants case numbers to go up, but are concerned, rightly, that it could happen again. But this blindingly obvious motivation is lost on many, who prefer to mischaracterise people they disagree with as somehow masochists - when in actual fact the most painful thing of all is reading the frequent illogical gibberish that passes for "debate" around here.


  • #3210
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,532 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    An interesting piece I read on excess deaths. Too early yet I believe to draw a conclusion, but the British and Italian figures stand out for me based on the approach by the two countries.


    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-which-european-regions-had-the-highest-number-of-excess-deaths-12018172

    Jeez yeah, those are awful figures.

    "The number of deaths registered in over 75-year-olds has been particularly high in Spain, where deaths in this group were 66% higher than expected."


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  • #3211
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,184 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    An interesting piece I read on excess deaths. Too early yet I believe to draw a conclusion, but the British and Italian figures stand out for me based on the approach by the two countries.


    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-which-european-regions-had-the-highest-number-of-excess-deaths-12018172

    And yet we have a thread dedicated to excoriating Sweden when they are no worse on the basis of excess deaths going by that Sky data, to any of the places either side of a line drawn from Scotland to half way down Italy.


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