Mortelaro wrote: » As did 1000's of others in 100's of funerals but couldn't because of the rules
FrancieBrady wrote: » I fully accept that this was organised to eulogise a significant figure in republican circles. But there was zero sinister about it.
blackwhite wrote: » It's a bit hard to inter the ashes before cremation - no doubt Johnny will be along soon to call you out on that "easily disproved deliberate and intentional lie" :rolleyes: Not saying it was "sinister" - just that it was nothing more than SF putting on a show for a photo op beside someone else's grave - and highlights the hypocrisy of the SF cheerleaders who constantly whine that Varadkar is obsessed with photo ops.
FrancieBrady wrote: » In other words they wanted to eulogise the man and pay tribute to him.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Cremation, especially for Catholics, is a relatively new thing. I fully accept that this was organised to eulogise a significant figure in republican circles. But there was zero sinister about it. Those there knew it was symbolic, and serving the purpose of interring the ashes. Which is normally a separate ceremony after time has passed. In other words they wanted to eulogise the man and pay tribute to him.
joeguevara wrote: » What are the Regulations in Northern Ireland for funerals on the date of the funeral. Similarly what are the Regulations in Republic of Ireland for travel to Northern Ireland and return to the Republic of Ireland on the date of the funeral.
Speaking for the Alliance Party, Kellie Armstrong said an apology for the ministers' attendance would not have been enough and she does not believe people can trust executive messaging again on Covid-19 because of their actions. Daniel McCrossan said assembly members had to practise "what we preach". The SDLP assembly member added that his party had wanted to pay a bigger tribute to long-standing MLA John Dallat, who died in May, but chose not to because of the coronavirus guidance. He said to many people there was a "hierarchy of pain". Meanwhile, Belfast City Council has strongly denied allegations 61 people attended Mr Storey's cremation. The claim was made by UUP Belfast city councillor Jim Rodgers.
blackwhite wrote: » How many of those funerals involved calling to someone else's grave for a round of political speeches? How many of those brought a coffin to a graveyard with no intention of interring the coffin there? And how many of those were during a pandemic?
FrancieBrady wrote: » These type of funerals have been taking place for decades. Incidentally, I have been in the graveyard for a gun salute over a coffin...and that was for an old FFer who was in what is known as the Old IRA. My dad, a friend of the man, was given an engraved bullet casing after. It is still about the house here somewhere.
SafeSurfer wrote: » Sinn Fein are the only ones “using a funeral for political gain”” as you put it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » What regs were broken in organising the funeral? I think you'll find it was the same as the regs that a blind eye was turned to in other circumstances too and given a pass by EVERYONE who could see it happening. for empathetic reasons (in my case anyhow) But once again, we have the climb up on to the high moral ground. SF should take whatever criticism and penalties are appropriate for breaches of the regs. The high moral grounders using a funeral for political gain will soon go back from whence they came.
blackwhite wrote: » Bad phrasing on my part maybe - but they did their best to give it all the trappings of a burial, when no burial was taking place. All for the sake of a Trump-style political rally Funny how all the SF die-hards get worked up over poor phrasing - but the key point will be ignored over, and over and over. Gotta defend the cult no matter what :rolleyes:
McMurphy wrote: » In this case the "someone else being at fault" would be Mr Blackwhite for telling a fairly easily disproved deliberate and intentional lie. The details of his funeral arrangements were widely known and planned for well in advance, you deliberately said a "pretend burial" and a "staged burial" - an out and out lie which is extraordinarily easy to disprove. His funeral arrangements always had the crystal clear arrangements for a "short commemoration and oration" after the mass at Milltown republican plot. There's plenty to criticise Sinn Fein over the funeral, but there's no need for blatant lies. Are you going to withdraw the lie, or would you like the funeral arrangements posted on the thread?
Mortelaro wrote: » Regulations perhaps? You know,regulations that every other private citizen funeral had to adhere to,because of COVID 19 like
FrancieBrady wrote: » It may have been wrong to plan to do it during a pandemic (I don't see why if social distancing rules were adhered to) .
blackwhite wrote: » They tried to paint it as happening at Storey's graveside - which was a lie in order to try and justify holding their Trump-style rally. Not often you hear of a funeral taking a diversion to someone else's graveside for a few political speeches. SF fans defending the indefensible as usual. The party can do no wrong - it's always someone else's fault.
blackwhite wrote: » The "normal way" is the requiem mass, with burial afterwards in X cemetery. Not requiem mass - followed by speeches in location 2 - followed by burial/cremation somewhere completely differently. A diversion half-way through a funeral, just to hold a political rally - during a pandemic. I wonder how many other funerals in NI or the Republic take a detour between the Church and the final resting place (be it burial place, or crematorium) to hold a rally beside someone else's grave
McMurphy wrote: » Wait a minute, if by "foot soldier" you mean someone who will point out complete and utter lies? The graveside oration was organised and known about by anyone who was interested and intended to attend, including the media. You told a deliberate and intentional lie, you got called out on it, now might be the time to stop digging.
FrancieBrady wrote: » They gathered for what the funeral notice said they were gathering for...' a short ceremony and oration'. The normal way it is phrased is 'burial afterwards in X cemetery'
blackwhite wrote: » They did everything possible to give the impression that they were having a burial - otherwise why gather in the graveyard at all? Political rally that they tried to dress up as something else. No surprise to see the usual foot-soldiers crawling out of the woodwork to defend SF attempt at aping Trump's rally in Tulsa
McMurphy wrote: » I don't think their was a "staged burial", a staged burial would indicate their was an empty coffin lowered into a grave. A gathering at the republican plot in Milltown cemetery by mourner's does not equate to a "staged burial". Why lie about something that's so easily disproved?
blanch152 wrote: » Francie, I have previously explained to you the difference between a State funeral for a garda killed in the line of duty on behalf of his country, and the common funeral of a common thug and killer.
markodaly wrote: » Isn't this a lie? I know MLD and MoM spun the 'we talked to and engaged with the PSNI' line and the PSNI came out after and said this was not true.
We were made aware of the plans for today's funeral and have engaged with the celebrant and service organisers to highlight both the public health advice and risks around Covid-19, and the requirement for those attending to adhere to social distancing. "We had assurances that those attending would observe the health guidelines and that marshals would be in place to encourage those lining the cortege route to observe social distancing.
blackwhite wrote: » I'd have thought that pretending to have a burial, just in order to hold a Trump-style political rally was a prime example of a needless PR photo op. Strange how all the SF acolytes continually whine about Varadkar loving photo ops, and being obsessed with image - but they don't see the irony in staging a burial in order to have a "traditional" setting for their political speeches
Bowie wrote: » At least it was a funeral not a needless PR photo op or the like.
blanch152 wrote: » Anyone who organises or attends a high profile funeral during Covid-19 is in breach of the regulations. Unfortunately for those poor nine families, the clear breach of the regulations by Sinn Fein meant that their funerals had to be cancelled. It is a complete disgrace, and the lack of shame is nauseating.
