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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Shannon Airport facing major issues, more pay cuts and layoffs to come.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0707/1151820-shannon-airport/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Found some conclusions from that study on near realtime economic data.
    Massive variance based on income level and postcode. I know US different but same trends probably exist here. Scary to see that disadvantaged areas dropping in math participation for kids. Pointing to fact that shock will be echo for years to come if those kids fall behind. This is all done with real data. A lot to learn on how to lessen impact of this to those hardest hit.

    https://opportunityinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/tracker-summary.pdf
    • As COVID-19 infections increased in March, high-income households sharply reduced their spending, primarily on services that require in-person interactions.
    • Because of this reduction in spending by high-income consumers, businesses in the most affluent neighborhoods in America lost more than 70% of their revenue.
    • As these businesses lost revenue, they laid off their employees, particularly low-income workers. Nearly 70% of low-wage workers working in the highest-rent ZIP codes lost their jobs, compared with 30% in the lowest-rent ZIP codes.
    • Policy efforts to date — stimulus payments to households and Paycheck Protection Program loans to small businesses — have not led to a rebound in spending at the businesses that lost the most revenue. As a result, they have had a limited impact on the employment rates of low- income workers.
    • In the long-term, the only way to drive economic recovery is to invest in public health efforts that will restore consumer confidence and spending.
    • In the meantime, providing and extending targeted assistance to low-income workers impacted by the economic downturn (such as through unemployment benefits) is critical for reducing hardship and addressing disparities in COVID’s impacts.

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    What this analysis means for policy going forward
    A large initial reduction in spending by high- income households driven by health concerns about COVID-19 has cascaded through to a loss of business for firms that cater to high-income customers, leading to layoffs of low-wage workers at those businesses. Given this sequence of events, the only path to full economic recovery in the long run is to restore consumer confidence by focusing on health policies that will address the virus itself. Traditional economic tools — loans to firms or


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Talk of an electronic register. Thought it would be fairly simple for airlines to forward passenger manifesto of passengers who boarded to INIS or HSE say but maybe with GDPR not that simple. https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1280441730169438208?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    For the covid app, how near does someone need to be to still get bluetooth signal from another device? If someone tests positive, will everyone who was within bluetooth signal within a certain period get a notification? Or is it based on duration of contact say?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Eod100 wrote: »
    For the covid app, how near does someone need to be to still get bluetooth signal from another device? If someone tests positive, will everyone who was within bluetooth signal within a certain period get a notification? Or is it based on duration of contact say?

    Proximity. You can measure the proximity by signal strength (RSSI). I did a project earlier but different usage. And also the time duration. It's a rough measure as RSSI can be affected by other factors too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    Just checking, you do realise southern USA is still in its northern summer. You should elaborate on how southern USA surging reinforces your seasonality pattern theory.

    One explanation is that in those places this time of year (FL + TX for example), its really unpleasant to be outside and everyone is inside in air conditioned spaces (which is going to promote the spread).

    Come "winter" time, FL + TX are really nice places to be and folks have their air con off, doors /windows open and its more an "outside" lifestyle. (But in NY folks will be inside with the heating on and the windows closed).

    So yes there will be seasonal factors which will impact the spread, but more along the lines of inside / outside living not because the virus loves a bit of drizzle and cold air...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    BBC News - Coronavirus: Three England pubs close after positive tests https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-53315702


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,238 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,238 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    One explanation is that in those places this time of year (FL + TX for example), its really unpleasant to be outside and everyone is inside in air conditioned spaces (which is going to promote the spread).

    Come "winter" time, FL + TX are really nice places to be and folks have their air con off, doors /windows open and its more an "outside" lifestyle. (But in NY folks will be inside with the heating on and the windows closed).

    So yes there will be seasonal factors which will impact the spread, but more along the lines of inside / outside living not because the virus loves a bit of drizzle and cold air...

    It's not yet unpleasantly warm or humid there yet. South Carolina has very pleasant weather at the moment and their numbers are shooting up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Where the app is concerned, apparently 60% acceptance, or 3 million downloads would be required for universal coverage - still, 350,000 is an impressive start so far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    s1ippy wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/bolsonaro-experiencing-covid-19-symptoms-says-cnn-brazil-1.4297784

    Someone already posted last night but Bolsonaro is being tested, fingers crossed for him ;)

    Fingers crossed for the virus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    spookwoman wrote: »
    BBC News - Coronavirus: Three England pubs close after positive tests https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-53315702

    Not sure how this even qualifies as a story. The headline says several. The story is 3. Out of how many like. I like the guardian, and the IT, but I'm starting to feel they're being a bit disingenuous with the click baity misery headlines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    D.Q wrote: »
    Not sure how this even qualifies as a story. The headline says several. The story is 3. Out of how many like. I like the guardian, and the IT, but I'm starting to feel they're being a bit disingenuous with the click baity misery headlines.

    There are over 50,000 pubs in England alone. Even if 100x more had a similar story that didn't make the news, it's still a tiny %
    Where the app is concerned, apparently 60% acceptance, or 3 million downloads would be required for universal coverage - still, 350,000 is an impressive start so far.

    60%+ coverage would be optimal for covering a single-solution to contract tracing. As an additional tool alongside manual/analogue tracing, every download counts and will be helpful towards combatting outbreaks.

    I read recently that even manual contract tracing during massive outbreaks like in NY and Brazil is worth the investment, can't find a source now, but chopping off even one arm of an outbreak will yield results.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,457 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    D.Q wrote: »
    Not sure how this even qualifies as a story. The headline says several. The story is 3. Out of how many like. I like the guardian, and the IT, but I'm starting to feel they're being a bit disingenuous with the click baity misery headlines.

    I'm surprised the person that wrote it was able to take their hands out of their pants tbh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    20% of the population is less than 14 so 60% of the remainder is about 2.3 million, we’re nearly 20% there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    There are over 50,000 pubs in England alone. Even if 100x more had a similar story that didn't make the news, it's still a tiny %


    .

    Yeah exactly. Even taking that 50,000 as a rough figure, why frame it as "several" instead of 0.01%.

    I wouldn't be into conspiracy theories, or even particularly anti media, I think journalism is an incredibly important check on society and government etc I also believe in the severity of the disease, social distancing should be adhered to etc

    But.. At some point we need to examine the fact that it is hugely in the interest of media for this to go on indefinitely. Constant clicks, constant revenue. I just think its starting to turn a corner in terms of honest reporting. It's important to keep up with the news, but I'm not sure I can trust the news to turn off the tap for themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    So much for a second wave in China...

    https://twitter.com/afp/status/1280482581243408385?s=21


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    So much for a second wave in China...

    https://twitter.com/afp/status/1280482581243408385?s=21

    Any chance the mainstream media might report this? Probably not


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    20% of the population is less than 14 so 60% of the remainder is about 2.3 million, we’re nearly 20% there

    The challenge is that not every mobile phone is compatible for the technology used in the app. I wonder what is the real maximum?

    Saying that I think the real benefit in this app may be the cases in pubs, restaurants and public transport which may have a lower age demographic.

    Say a Dublin pub where 85% of the punters have the app then presumably it would be effective even though national take up may only be 40%.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Any chance the mainstream media might report this? Probably not

    The third wave is coming. To be fair they did a pretty sharp lock down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Not sure if already mentioned, but the dashboard update puts numbers in ICU back in single figure, with 1 discharge, just 9 remain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    So much for a second wave in China...

    https://twitter.com/afp/status/1280482581243408385?s=21

    Seeing as you purport to know what's really going on in China, perhaps you could tell me what happened to Dr Ai Fen, because I would really like to know?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Seeing as you purport to know what's really going on in China, perhaps you could tell me what happened to Dr Ai Fen, because I would really like to know?

    One second let me just ask my friends in chinese government......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Any chance the mainstream media might report this? Probably not

    Why would they report this when they have famed expert Gerry Killeen on hand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    App registrations showing over 400k for me, thats excellent after not even 24hrs


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    App registrations showing over 400k for me, thats excellent after not even 24hrs

    Excluding the 1million plus children in our population, thats halfway to the min. 20% for the app to be effective

    I've it downloaded which effectively covers myself and the Oh so coverage might be even higher


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Stheno wrote: »
    Excluding the 1million plus children in our population, thats halfway to the min. 20% for the app to be effective

    I think its a fantastic number given the official launch was only a few hours ago. I'd say that number has even taken the HSE by surprise.

    Likewise 4 of us in the house, 3 smartphones all downloaded it. The father has point blank just refused to getting a smartphone for the last few years, he's happy with the basic phone but with the 3 of us that covers the house.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,229 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Any chance the mainstream media might report this? Probably not

    The link is to a yahoo news article. The story was already reported by CNN, NY times, Reuters, MSN, the telegraph. Yeah, mainstream media are really hiding this story.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    I think its a fantastic number given the official launch was only a few hours ago. I'd say that number has even taken the HSE by surprise

    Despite what you read here and on social media imo Irish people have a tendency in the most part to be quite socially responsible

    The smoking ban was a great example of it

    COVID is an even better one, if you told me three months ago we'd be where we are now I'd have been sceptical and in the main, it's down to the behaviour and responsibility of people


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