Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

fritzelly · 07-07-2020 01:23AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’m on the ios beta 14 i’m getting the same message not available in my region.

Obviously an issue with the version - like most software beta is not always without bugs

I'll try to stay from anyone on that version

07-07-2020 03:15AM

old_aussie wrote: »

Do they have a Bubonic Plague tracing app yet?

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2020/07/06/bubonic-plague-mongolia/

What next from china's part of Asia?

Dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty old place!

There is plague all around the world every year. The media is blowing it up hoping people click the stories so they make money from clicks.

Seems to be working.

07-07-2020 05:51AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://www.timesofisrael.com/weve-lost-control-of-pandemic-top-adviser-says-as-active-cases-spike/

Israel may be the first country in the world to impose a second national lockdown , seems insane I can't believe any country would willingly destroy its economy with a second lockdown

How is a second lockdown any worse than stop start nonsense? It's been proven via the decreasing numbers and in other places that it can be eradicated. Eradicate it in Europe and get on with life should be the aim

07-07-2020 06:28AM

ShyMets wrote: »

From an economic perspective its apples and oranges. Australia's economy is similar to america, more domestically based.

We our a much more open economy. Realistically we cannot afford to cut ourselves off for a prolonged period

Nope, international students are one of Australia's biggest 'exoports', up there with mining in contribution to GDP. Australia is an export import economy like all the other western ones.

07-07-2020 06:44AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Unfortunately you don’t hear much about other thousands of bars in South Korea the same night that didn’t have the issue.

There’s been house parties, can on the canal, etc going on throughout the lockdown. Protests, funerals over the limit, etc. None have led to spikes.

The issue here though is that if everyone looks at this and thinks, **** it it’s all safe, covid is gone, there may be further outbreaks. The chances of someone being asymptomatic in dame lane on Saturday are very very slim, but there are infections in the community. Considering we’re testing like mad and our positivity rate is a number of factors lower than even the false positivity rate of PCR tests, it is likely we’ll see spikes happening and hopefully be able to contain them for the most part.

In Australia when western Australia, Queensland south Australia and the northern territory started opening up again we expected spread again but it never happened. It was amazing to find there was no residual hidden transmission going on in asymptomatic people. Of course the minor difference being those states waited until they were free of reported cases for a few weeks.

Prevalence is so low in Ireland there may not be a big outbreak in 2 weeks time. But it seems inevitable with open borders and low community transmission.

Seems like the amount of effort that needs to go into flattening the curve is so close to what's needed for eradication that you end up with the Choice of endless stop start shut downs, eradication, or letting it rip.

I hear people say just make the old and vulnerable lockdown while everyone else gets on with life. Those cohorts are huge. Factor in their loved ones who would also need to lockdown and forget it. People are going to get angry with holiday makers in the event of further outbreaks.

SeaBreezes · 07-07-2020 06:57AM

Warnings from a 'mild' case...

https://twitter.com/DaniOliver/status/1279155358666305541

Just curiousdoes anyone here know anyone with a mild (offically diagnosed) case who ISNT battling symptoms months later?

Glenbhoy · 07-07-2020 07:06AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Warnings from a 'mild' case...

https://twitter.com/DaniOliver/status/1279155358666305541

Just curiousdoes anyone here know anyone with a mild (offically diagnosed) case who ISNT battling symptoms months later?

I know of 10 people who have had it, 8 were sick to varying degrees (bad flu to worst flu ever type of sickness), 2 pretty mild to asymptomatic. None have any lasting symptons. They had it march/april.

07-07-2020 07:42AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Warnings from a 'mild' case...

https://twitter.com/DaniOliver/status/1279155358666305541

Just curiousdoes anyone here know anyone with a mild (offically diagnosed) case who ISNT battling symptoms months later?

I know of at least 5 people who had it, One finished up in ICU - 76 with underlying conditions but pulled through, but still not great. The rest had no after effects and are all back in work

Hector Savage · 07-07-2020 08:04AM

Melbourne back in full lockdown, never thought there would be more full lockdowns, just restrictions, so that basically means more full on lockdowns coming in Europe

Great!

That will surely kill the limping economy, hey I probably won't get covid but I'll be kicked out of my house and starve to death on the ****ing streets!!!

But hey - I won't get covid!!!

Jim_Hodge · 07-07-2020 08:26AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Melbourne back in full lockdown, never thought there would be more full lockdowns, just restrictions, so that basically means more full on lockdowns coming in Europe

Great!

That will surely kill the limping economy, hey I probably won't get covid but I'll be kicked out of my house and starve to death on the ****ing streets!!!

But hey - I won't get covid!!!

Relax! It could be worse. You could get Covid or a loved one could get it and die or suffer life changing complications.

is_that_so · 07-07-2020 08:27AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Melbourne back in full lockdown, never thought there would be more full lockdowns, just restrictions, so that basically means more full on lockdowns coming in Europe

Great!

That will surely kill the limping economy, hey I probably won't get covid but I'll be kicked out of my house and starve to death on the ****ing streets!!!

But hey - I won't get covid!!!

Melbourne sounds like a mix between Singapore with its immigrant workers and the NZ lax application of quarantine rules. Came across one article where it described the translated advice as requiring a university degree to understand it.

mloc123 · 07-07-2020 08:32AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Warnings from a 'mild' case...

https://twitter.com/DaniOliver/status/1279155358666305541

Just curiousdoes anyone here know anyone with a mild (offically diagnosed) case who ISNT battling symptoms months later?

Yes. Both my wife's parents, late 60s... Had 3-4 days of flu like symptoms and 2 weeks later had no lingering issues.

Her father has been cycling, hiking etc... Ever since with no problems.

stephenjmcd · 07-07-2020 08:34AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Melbourne sounds like a mix between Singapore with its immigrant workers and the NZ lax application of quarantine rules. Came across one article where it described the translated advice as requiring a university degree to understand it.

I'm sure the security guards at the quarantine hotels jumping into bed with some of those in quarantine didn't help too much either

07-07-2020 08:37AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'm sure the security guards at the quarantine hotels jumping into bed with some of those in quarantine didn't help too much either

Aww yeah mate, but that sheila was hot!

Alun · 07-07-2020 08:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I know of at least 5 people who had it, One finished up in ICU - 76 with underlying conditions but pulled through, but still not great. The rest had no after effects and are all back in work

I know of two people who have had it, a 60 year old, hillwalker, tennis player and diver, recovered with no issues at all. The other, our ex-neighbour, an 84 year old woman in a nursing home, again recovered fully without going near a hospital with no issues, mind you she's indestructible!

On the issues people have been facing though, there's a things called post-viral fatigue that anyone can get after any viral infection, not just covid-19. I had a period about 15 years ago where I was going down regularly with very brief but intense fever symptoms, never diagnosed, and these went as quickly as they appeared, but I had all kinds of weird symptoms for years afterwards including fatigue and mild neurological symptoms, so it's not unusual or unexpected I'd say,

wadacrack · 07-07-2020 08:48AM

Alun wrote: »

I know of two people who have had it, a 60 year old, hillwalker, tennis player and diver, recovered with no issues at all. The other, our ex-neighbour, an 84 year old woman in a nursing home, again recovered fully without going near a hospital with no issues, mind you she's indestructible!

On the issues people have been facing though, there's a things called post-viral fatigue that anyone can get after any viral infection, not just covid-19. I had a period about 15 years ago where I was going down regularly with very brief but intense fever symptoms, never diagnosed, and these went as quickly as they appeared, but I had all kinds of weird symptoms for years afterwards including fatigue and mild neurological symptoms, so it's not unusual or unexpected I'd say,

The drugs used cause issues afterwards for many people. Obviously that may not have been the case here but over medicating people seems to be pretty common

wadacrack · 07-07-2020 08:53AM

Greater Melbourne will return to stage 3 lockdown from midnight tomorrow for six weeks.

You cannot leave your house unless it is for:

Care and medical reason.
Shopping for essentials.
Work or study which can’t be done at home.
Exercise.

What Username Guidelines · 07-07-2020 09:01AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Greater Melbourne will return to stage 3 lockdown from midnight tomorrow for six weeks.

You cannot leave your house unless it is for:

Care and medical reason.
Shopping for essentials.
Work or study which can’t be done at home.
Exercise.

Maybe I’m spending too much time on the internet, and I realise covid is far more serious than flu, but Southern Hemisphere temperate regions usually start seeing an uptick in flu in July into august. Couple that with northern USA peaking and falling and now southern USA surging, this may in fact be following a seasonal pattern.

PmMeUrDogs · 07-07-2020 09:08AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Warnings from a 'mild' case...

https://twitter.com/DaniOliver/status/1279155358666305541

Just curiousdoes anyone here know anyone with a mild (offically diagnosed) case who ISNT battling symptoms months later?

I've got 4 relatives and one friend who had it.

One relative was in ICU for a few weeks but thankfully has recovered and has no apparent lingering effects. Two were at home sick as a dog for three weeks and are fine now, no lingering issues. One died (elderly, underlying conditions), and the friend was very ill for around 6 weeks but is fine now.

DebDynamite · 07-07-2020 09:19AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's actually fairly sad all the same you'd wonder like

There was a DJ there and everything! Actually looked to be better craic and more like the “old days” than sitting inside a socially distanced pub. Being able to go and get your own cans meant it was cheaper for people too. The guards really should have done more

timsey tiger · 07-07-2020 09:26AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Maybe I’m spending too much time on the internet, and I realise covid is far more serious than flu, but Southern Hemisphere temperate regions usually start seeing an uptick in flu in July into august. Couple that with northern USA peaking and falling and now southern USA surging, this may in fact be following a seasonal pattern.

Just checking, you do realise southern USA is still in its northern summer. You should elaborate on how southern USA surging reinforces your seasonality pattern theory.

Hector Savage · 07-07-2020 09:38AM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Relax! It could be worse. You could get Covid or a loved one could get it and die or suffer life changing complications.

Yes indeed, and I could be hit by a bus tomorrow or get a brain tumour!!!

Boggles · 07-07-2020 09:45AM

Here is another reason the Asian countries will be more successful in containing the virus, they would never let an "entertainments company" dictate public health policy.

Court overturns local lockdown on German slaughterhouse town

The ruling, after some 1,500 workers were infected, throws into doubt the system of quick lockdown responses and rapid track-and-trace on which Germany has been relying to move into the second phase of its fight against the pandemic.

After the outbreak, the premier of the state of North Rhine-Westphalia brought in a week-long lockdown, imposing social distancing on the town of about 100,000 people and closing many cultural institutions to try to stop its spread.

A legal challenge brought by a private individual against the first week of lockdown was rejected.

But when it was extended to run for another week until Tuesday, an entertainments company operating in the district put in a second challenge and the court changed its mind, saying authorities had had time to impose more targeted restrictions.

caveat emptor · 07-07-2020 09:50AM

More good news from UK.
After reopening pubs in UK some people got infected and pubs are closing. That was quick.
Only 3 so far so that would translate to zero here in terms of statistics and infection rate here etc. So nothing to worry about.
Would be worrying if you were unfortunate enough to spend the Saturday getting leathered in one though.
Shows that the onus really is on the pubs to get it right.

At least three pubs in England that reopened their doors for the first time on Saturday have been forced to close again after customers or staff tested positive for Covid-19.

The Lighthouse Kitchen and Carvery in Burnham-on-Sea, Somerset, said a customer had tested positive and it was making its way through a list of people who were in the premises on Saturday.

In a statement posted on Facebook, it said: “This isn’t the message we wanted to write so soon but The Lighthouse will be closed due to a customer testing positive. We are slowly getting through our list of customers that were in the pub on Saturday. All our staff are going to be tested and we will reopen when the time is safe to do so.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/07/several-pubs-in-england-close-after-positive-coronavirus-tests

feelings · 07-07-2020 09:52AM

Private security guards working at quarantine hotels getting jiggy jiggy with guests. Jaysus. Idiots. :pac:

wadacrack wrote: »

Greater Melbourne will return to stage 3 lockdown from midnight tomorrow for six weeks.

You cannot leave your house unless it is for:

Care and medical reason.
Shopping for essentials.
Work or study which can’t be done at home.
Exercise.

CalamariFritti · 07-07-2020 09:52AM

Boggles wrote: »

Here is another reason the Asian countries will be more successful in containing the virus, they would never let an "entertainments company" dictate public health policy.

Court overturns local lockdown on German slaughterhouse town

Ye god forbid people actually have rights and a proper legal system here.
If only we were ruled like the Chinese here, eh? Fkn hell.

07-07-2020 09:59AM

To me, there are two possible outcomes from allowing tourists in and life to go pretty much back to normal.

- The virus has swept through the population and lots of people have immunity even though they lose the antibodies pretty quickly. Things work out fine.
- Only 5% of the population (Spain's antibodies number?) have actually contracted the virus and it spreads the exact same as it did the first time and it's a return to lockdown.

I don't see this third option of localised lockdowns being realistic when Ireland can't even make a close contact of a confirmed case take a test. Australia is going from tower blocks to massive regions in no time.

For a very long time, since before antibodies testing, I've believed the former is the case. You don't need active antibodies. Your body needs to know how to make them and I guess that's what the talk of T cells is? I'm not a scientist.

I think now there is good chance that the countries that handled it best will be the ones with the big second wave, like Australia maybe now, or Vietnam where I am. It feels inevitable that once it opens up here next year or whatever, there will be a new surge of cases and more lockdowns, whereas Ireland could be done with the big ones. Then people will discuss how these countries dropped the ball and Ireland didn't.

All uneducated opinion of course.

s1ippy · 07-07-2020 10:01AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/bolsonaro-experiencing-covid-19-symptoms-says-cnn-brazil-1.4297784

Someone already posted last night but Bolsonaro is being tested, fingers crossed for him

ZX7R · 07-07-2020 10:02AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Greater Melbourne will return to stage 3 lockdown from midnight tomorrow for six weeks.

You cannot leave your house unless it is for:

Care and medical reason.
Shopping for essentials.
Work or study which can’t be done at home.
Exercise.

My friend is living in Melbourne married and settled there 20 year's.
He was adamant that Australia were going the right direction by trying to eradicate the virus.
At the start everything was heavily enforced
He reckons that people himself included started to get very complacent about the virus plenty of back slapping how well they were doing , Media running story's about their success compared to Europe America ect.
A large growing of discontent in how the officials have handled the situation .

polesheep · 07-07-2020 10:12AM

Deleted User wrote: »

To me, there are two possible outcomes from allowing tourists in and life to go pretty much back to normal.

- The virus has swept through the population and lots of people have immunity even though they lose the antibodies pretty quickly. Things work out fine.
- Only 5% of the population (Spain's antibodies number?) have actually contracted the virus and it spreads the exact same as it did the first time and it's a return to lockdown.

I don't see this third option of localised lockdowns being realistic when Ireland can't even make a close contact of a confirmed case take a test. Australia is going from tower blocks to massive regions in no time.

For a very long time, since before antibodies testing, I've believed the former is the case. You don't need active antibodies. Your body needs to know how to make them and I guess that's what the talk of T cells is? I'm not a scientist.

I think now there is good chance that the countries that handled it best will be the ones with the big second wave, like Australia maybe now, or Vietnam where I am. It feels inevitable that once it opens up here next year or whatever, there will be a new surge of cases and more lockdowns, whereas Ireland could be done with the big ones. Then people will discuss how these countries dropped the ball and Ireland didn't.

All uneducated opinion of course.

I'm curious about this. As we've only been given the bare amount of information -as per usual - is it possibly a case of people disagreeing about whether or not they have been in contact? Some people's idea of close contact will be different to other's and we can all get a bit muddled about who we saw when. Knowing the reasons why people refused would be very useful.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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