Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Igotadose · 03-07-2020 02:21PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don’t think the Japanese deserve unanimous praise. They made a complete balls of the Diamond Princess early on.

They did much better than we've done in Ireland. How do you think we'd have managed the Diamond Princess problem? Probably sent out the Navy to sink the ship or something.

Really quite simple - wear a mask when outside or interacting with others. Personally have been doing so since about January.

03-07-2020 02:37PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Yes, the 1,200 figure sounds like the number that can categorically be attributed to Covid-19, with the other 500 the "probable" deaths added when the WHO asked national health authorities to add potential cases to the statistics.

I think it is a bit more complicated than that. Yes, we did include "probables", unlike many countries". But "Excess Deaths" does not look at any individuals or what they may have died from. It is just a measure of how many died in total over the relevant months this year compared to the average for the same months over the past number of years (5 years probably). It is then deduced that this is the number who would still be alive were it not for Covid.
All of the 1700+ number might have had Covid. But quite a few would have been very weak or terminally ill and would have likely died within the same overall time period in any event, but maybe some weeks later. That is, as people die in similar circumstances every year.

ACitizenErased · 03-07-2020 02:48PM

Igotadose wrote: »

They did much better than we've done in Ireland. How do you think we'd have managed the Diamond Princess problem? Probably sent out the Navy to sink the ship or something.

Really quite simple - wear a mask when outside or interacting with others. Personally have been doing so since about January.

I honestly don’t think they could’ve handled the diamond princess worse tbh - we have flattened the curve without mandatory masks.

Jackman25 · 03-07-2020 03:02PM

Seven Septs wrote: »

And you signed up in January, a few months before me:rolleyes: You're not exactly a seasoned poster.

There's no rule stating you have to provide context to numbers. No rule saying you must state, for example, the stats include back dated deaths etc. You're trying to make up rules.

Looking for petitions against other posters is 'heavily frowned on'.

He is entitled to ask that some context be placed on the alarmist posts.
I don't know how many times the R0 in Germany alarmism has had to be debunked here, but its tiresome.

Unwind your knickers.

Strumms · 03-07-2020 03:06PM

ZX7R wrote: »

It seems professor Philip Nolan put forward that foreign students be aloud to travel for the academic year.
Sounds like a conflict of interests as he is a professor in maynooth.

We have all the interest groups looking out for themselves. Because COVID will say ‘ ahhh the students, sure we can’t infect them ‘...

Kermit.de.frog · 03-07-2020 03:14PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’ve had plenty of sleep thank you. Everyone has the right to post on here, scaremongering with figures without context is heavily frowned upon and rightly so. You must be new.

No figures have been provided without context. None. Nada. Zip...

There is a pandemic ongoing, there will be a lot of bad news around. You just have to cope with it (or ignore it).

Eod100 · 03-07-2020 03:15PM

UK publishes their list of countries which people can travel to without having to self-isolate after. Not sure is Ireland already included with the Common Travel Area, even though Ireland asking anyone coming in to self-isolate. https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1279055352894390278?s=19

speckle · 03-07-2020 03:16PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Enforced isolation would not be required by the university.
Where are you going to put them.
University apartments are now under law classed private residence and what if the students decided to live off campus.
During March 2 appointment blocks were placed under quarantine by the university.
Some of the students were foreign nationals.
They contacted there embassy about being placed in quarantine, Garda ended up getting involved.
Turned out both the university and campus security had no legal grounds to inforce the quarantine on them.

had there been a positive or presumtive postive case? Interesting if before new legislation because the old allowed for potential cases of an listed infectious disease to be isolated at home or eventaken to hospital etc if they where putting others at risk by leaving. Background TB multiple times in extended family so I have seen /been told of variations of this in action. Might I add all done very respectfully by public health officials.

owlbethere · 03-07-2020 03:17PM

Is there a health and safety authority or online or phone hotline to report the restriction breaches?

ednwireland · 03-07-2020 03:21PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Is there a health and safety authority or online or phone hotline to report the restriction breaches?

i doubt they really want to know ...

Eod100 · 03-07-2020 03:21PM

Eod100 wrote: »

UK publishes their list of countries which people can travel to without having to self-isolate after. Not sure is Ireland already included with the Common Travel Area, even though Ireland asking anyone coming in to self-isolate. https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1279055352894390278?s=19

Actually Ireland included here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-countries-and-territories-exempt-from-advice-against-all-but-essential-international-travel

petes · 03-07-2020 03:22PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

No figures have been provided without context. None. Nada. Zip...

There is a pandemic ongoing, there will be a lot of bad news around. You just have to cope with it (or ignore it).

What are you on about?

'107 cases reported.....' and that's it, where is the context? It is available.

stephenjmcd · 03-07-2020 03:30PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

No figures have been provided without context. None. Nada. Zip...

There is a pandemic ongoing, there will be a lot of bad news around. You just have to cope with it (or ignore it).

Thats BS, you gave the total case numbers and that was it, no context, none nada zip. A quick Google gives you the context.

Unfortunately many times you just give the headline and throw it out there, no description or context what so ever.

There's bad news and then there's your version of the news

NotMOL · 03-07-2020 03:38PM

ZX7R wrote: »

It seems professor Philip Nolan put forward that foreign students be aloud to travel for the academic year.
Sounds like a conflict of interests as he is a professor in maynooth.

What a clown, he doesn't want people leaving Ireland but yet he want's students from other countries to come here...I didn't know students are immune to spreading the virus.

speckle · 03-07-2020 03:40PM

Eod100 wrote: »

UK publishes their list of countries which people can travel to without having to self-isolate after. Not sure is Ireland already included with the Common Travel Area, even though Ireland asking anyone coming in to self-isolate. https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1279055352894390278?s=19

There is definetly some on that list I would not have included yet.
Many are small islands how are they going to get to uk without going through higher risk countries airports maybe they have private yachts?
See Antartica included. But fair dues to all places with no covid on the list ..if I was from there I would be staying put and enjoying the sun...sea and sangaria.

Snow Garden · 03-07-2020 03:45PM

All the colleges are overexposed to financial dependence on foreign students. They are in panic mode.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-07-2020 03:46PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thats BS, you gave the total case numbers and that was it, no context, none nada zip. A quick Google gives you the context.

Unfortunately many times you just give the headline and throw it out there, no description or context what so ever.

There's bad news and then there's your version of the news

The context is 327 new active cases in Austria in the last week.

If a quick google gives you more nuanced context why don't you provide the context you claim I didn't give?

Countries release their figures and that's the only 'context' required. There is either new active cases in countries or there are not.

I'm really not interested whether it's meat factories, the circus or churches.

If you want to dig down in to outbreaks then knock yourself out.

Austria has x new cases. Switzerland has y new cases...that's the context I need.

bodhrandude · 03-07-2020 03:49PM

Was on the Salthill bus yesterday, only half the passengers masked up including myself, I didn't see it being enforced. The driver is probably thinking 'Anything, for a little bit of peace' but was disappointed that some chose to not wear one, its uncomfortable and stuffy but its just a bus ride like.

speckle · 03-07-2020 03:54PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Is there a health and safety authority or online or phone hotline to report the restriction breaches?

probably depends on the breach. As usually nothing streamlined in this country. eg if a nursing home hiqa or maybe the gardai if a pub overcrowed or health and safety if food not been prepared safely. Quareentenning if its law and not a guideline the gardai maybe there is a number on the forms at the airport that qoutes the legislation and who in charge? or the public health dept. Not sure.

ZX7R · 03-07-2020 03:55PM

speckle wrote: »

had there been a positive or presumtive postive case? Interesting if before new legislation because the old allowed for potential cases of an listed infectious disease to be isolated at home or eventaken to hospital etc if they where putting others at risk by leaving. Background TB multiple times in extended family so I have seen /been told of variations of this in action. Might I add all done very respectfully by public health officials.

The infected cases were all in one apartment.
The university tried to lockdown the whole apartment block.
That is where issues arouse

An Ciarraioch · 03-07-2020 03:58PM

speckle wrote: »

There is definetly some on that list I would not have included yet.
Many are small islands how are they going to get to uk without going through higher risk countries airports maybe they have private yachts?
See Antartica included. But fair dues to all places with no covid on the list ..if I was from there I would be staying put and enjoying the sun...sea and sangaria.

And conversely, both Slovakia and Slovenia continue to have very low case numbers, so seems strange to exclude those two countries.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-07-2020 04:01PM

speckle wrote: »

probably depends on the breach. As usually nothing streamlined in this country. eg if a nursing home hiqa or maybe the gardai if a pub overcrowed or health and safety if food not been prepared safely. Quareentenning if its law and not a guideline the gardai maybe there is a number on the forms at the airport that qoutes the legislation and who in charge? or the public health dept. Not sure.

Can we give this poster a medal for the most fantastic and heroic spelling of 'quareentenning' yet on this forum?

Strumms · 03-07-2020 04:08PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Can we give this poster a medal for the most fantastic and heroic spelling of 'quareentenning' yet on this forum?

They must be from Nobber.

speckle · 03-07-2020 04:09PM

ZX7R wrote: »

The infected cases were all in one apartment.
The university tried to lockdown the whole apartment block.
That is where issues arouse

I am thinking that this was before testing was up and flourishing. Because they could have put the rest on quareenteen until they were proved negative by test like they used to do until xrayed and tested for tb. ie if a family member in one house had TB and you visited regurly you would be sent for xrays potentialy, to rule it out.
Forgotten now how many times I was xrayed as a kid eventhough immune. Like they were doing a research project on me! mmh never though of that.

speckle · 03-07-2020 04:10PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Can we give this poster a medal for the most fantastic and heroic spelling of 'quareentenning' yet on this forum?

Laughing til the cows come home. You better check my other posts probably even better ones.

ZX7R · 03-07-2020 04:12PM

speckle wrote: »

I am thinking that this was before testing was up and flourishing. Because they could have put the rest on quareenteen until they were proved negative by test like they used to do until xrayed and tested for tb. ie if a family member in one house had TB and you visited regurly you would be sent for xrays potentialy, to rule it out.
Forgotten now how many times I was xrayed as a kid eventhough immune. Like they were doing a research project on me! mmh never though of that.

The 3 case's were confirmed on the 24th of March

speckle · 03-07-2020 04:23PM

Strumms wrote: »

They must be from Nobber.

https://www.kabalarians.com/m/nobber.htm
Could be worse!

LiquidZeb · 03-07-2020 04:27PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thats BS, you gave the total case numbers and that was it, no context, none nada zip. A quick Google gives you the context.

Unfortunately many times you just give the headline and throw it out there, no description or context what so ever.

There's bad news and then there's your version of the news

Exactly he was trying to say yesterday that a vaccine was years off and that Oxford were essentially going to keep promising just a few more months indefinitely. I appreciate some of the posts he makes regarding case numbers as it's relevant info but he's solely interested in bad news.

Seven Septs · 03-07-2020 04:28PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

He is entitled to ask that some context be placed on the alarmist posts.
I don't know how many times the R0 in Germany alarmism has had to be debunked here, but its tiresome.

Unwind your knickers.

He's not entitled to ask for thread bans.

I don't wear knickers, they're for sissys like you.

Debunked on here lol. This is boards, not a recognised medical journal. The saying a little learning is a dangerous thing can be applied to a few on here.

speckle · 03-07-2020 04:34PM

ZX7R wrote: »

The 3 case's were confirmed on the 24th of March

3 days before the stay at home in your own household came into effect. posdible link that they realised legal action might be taken not just in that situation but elsewhere? Anyhow I hope they all recovered well.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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