Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

bb1234567 · 03-07-2020 12:39PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

How to reconcile these stories. Makes no sense to me.

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/0505/1136496-death-notices-ireland-coronavirus/

https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2020/0703/1151127-virus-report/

No it's not, excess mortality was high the last few months, in April it was very very high. JUst because the excess mortality is substantially less than the official number of covid deaths it does not mean the excess mortality was low.

Christy42 · 03-07-2020 12:44PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Right, but they seem to be saying "Our excess is only 1200, not 1700, so we must be over-reporting covid deaths", which isn't a fair conclusion to come to.

Caveat: on phone with crap internet.

We knew we were over reporting. Many deaths go down as covid without tests in Ireland. I agree with this approach as some of them will ha e been covid and I support over counting instead of undercounting.

I mean. What deaths do you think have been stopped by lockdown? We have certainly had a reduction of road accidents and workplace accidents but combining them we have about 220 deaths a year. This is a difference of 500 in a few months.

I can't see another plausible explanation for such a big difference. Especially when we see the UK is reporting far below their excess deaths.

ZX7R · 03-07-2020 12:49PM

It seems professor Philip Nolan put forward that foreign students be aloud to travel for the academic year.
Sounds like a conflict of interests as he is a professor in maynooth.

03-07-2020 12:49PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

A friend of a friends cousin saw an American tourist with a buggy trying to board a bus in Limerick today. She was told there was no room for the buggy so she threw it to one side with the child still in and said the government would give her a new one. She then proceeded to cough all over everyone on the bus and lick every surface before leaving.

“A friend of a friends cousin....”

ACitizenErased · 03-07-2020 12:51PM

ZX7R wrote: »

It seems professor Philip Nolan put forward that foreign students be aloud to travel for the academic year.
Sounds like a conflict of interests as he is a professor in maynooth.

Not just a Professor, the President.

An Ciarraioch · 03-07-2020 12:51PM

Christy42 wrote: »

We knew we were over reporting. Many deaths go down as covid without tests in Ireland. I agree with this approach as some of them will ha e been covid and I support over counting instead of undercounting.

I mean. What deaths do you think have been stopped by lockdown? We have certainly had a reduction of road accidents and workplace accidents but combining them we have about 220 deaths a year. This is a difference of 500 in a few months.

I can't see another plausible explanation for such a big difference. Especially when we see the UK is reporting far below their excess deaths.

Yes, the 1,200 figure sounds like the number that can categorically be attributed to Covid-19, with the other 500 the "probable" deaths added when the WHO asked national health authorities to add potential cases to the statistics.

ZX7R · 03-07-2020 12:53PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not just a Professor, the President.

I didn't realize that , that explains a lot so

Igotadose · 03-07-2020 12:55PM

ZX7R wrote: »

It seems professor Philip Nolan put forward that foreign students be aloud to travel for the academic year.
Sounds like a conflict of interests as he is a professor in maynooth.

Even so, isolation enforcement can land on the University here if they allow them. They might actually do something about it (plus the peer pressure) versus the do-nothing Gardai in the rest of the country, whose hands are tied as the self-isolation rules are 'recommendations' not laws.

Really, can we simply pass an emergency declaration requiring mask wearing everywhere and move on? If the Gardai can cite you for not wearing a mask, so much the better. Stop with the handwashing and social distancing, reopen everything. But ensure we all wear masks.
Maybe ban large gatherings for awhile.

We've got 4.6 million people. Japan in excess of 120 million. They have a much higher percentage of elderly citizens, and yet, they have a fraction of the Covid deaths we do, despite the outbreak hitting earlier due to their proximity and ties with China. Because everyone readily wears masks.

Just so stupid, so many lives could have been saved.

Rob A. Bank · 03-07-2020 12:56PM

Woman who coughed at two paramedics and said 'I have the virus' is jailed for six months.

The paramedics have enough to deal with without crap like this.

It was an assault, but I wonder if she actually had the virus would it be 'assault with a deadly weapon' ?

LiquidZeb · 03-07-2020 01:06PM

thelad95 wrote: »

I feel like the American tourists in Killarney/Connemara/Donegal is going to become the new Dubs in Wexford story every weekend. Despite what we see in the press every day the majority of Americans have enough common sense to stay put. I can guarantee these stories will be debunked very quickly.

Every attention seeker on Facebook and Twitter will have a tale of them confronting a bunch of ignorant Yanks breaking social distancing or not wearing masks. Social media was a mistake.

ZX7R · 03-07-2020 01:09PM

Igotadose wrote: »

Even so, isolation enforcement can land on the University here if they allow them. They might actually do something about it (plus the peer pressure) versus the do-nothing Gardai in the rest of the country, whose hands are tied as the self-isolation rules are 'recommendations' not laws.

Really, can we simply pass an emergency declaration requiring mask wearing everywhere and move on? If the Gardai can cite you for not wearing a mask, so much the better. Stop with the handwashing and social distancing, reopen everything. But ensure we all wear masks.
Maybe ban large gatherings for awhile.

We've got 4.6 million people. Japan in excess of 120 million. They have a much higher percentage of elderly citizens, and yet, they have a fraction of the Covid deaths we do, despite the outbreak hitting earlier due to their proximity and ties with China. Because everyone readily wears masks.

Just so stupid, so many lives could have been saved.

Enforced isolation would not be required by the university.
Where are you going to put them.
University apartments are now under law classed private residence and what if the students decided to live off campus.
During March 2 appointment blocks were placed under quarantine by the university.
Some of the students were foreign nationals.
They contacted there embassy about being placed in quarantine, Garda ended up getting involved.
Turned out both the university and campus security had no legal grounds to inforce the quarantine on them.

Igotadose · 03-07-2020 01:10PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Enforced isolation would not be required by the university.
Where are you going to put them.
University apartments are now under law classed private residence and what if the students decided to live off campus.
During March 2 appointment blocks were placed under quarantine by the university.
Some of the students were foreign nationals.
They contacted there embassy about being placed in quarantine, Garda ended up getting involved.
Turned out both the university and campus security had no legal grounds to inforce the quarantine on them.

Ahh well, I'd hoped something could happen. So, masks become the only possibility. Though, I would not allow anyone from the USA in till their Covid rates mirror those of countries we're allowing. I've contacted my TD about that who said he would ask the Taoiseach whether there is an official guideline from the government about allowing Americans in. For whatever that's worth.

Assetbacked · 03-07-2020 01:11PM

ZX7R wrote: »

It seems professor Philip Nolan put forward that foreign students be aloud to travel for the academic year.
Sounds like a conflict of interests as he is a professor in maynooth.

Complete conflict as the universities are in serious financial trouble without those fees from foreign students.

Eod100 · 03-07-2020 01:17PM

And pubs in UK can open from 6am tomorrow. I'd be a bit nervous about going to pubs here awhile plus don't think it's worth it for time being. Couldn't pay me to go to a pub in UK now.https://twitter.com/nicolas_veron/status/1278764486837616641?s=19

US2 · 03-07-2020 01:18PM

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1278995351169613824?s=19

Seven Septs · 03-07-2020 01:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Petition for posting figures without context to be threadban-able...

Stop trying to take over the thread and back seat mod. Kermit has every bit as much a right as you to post.

Polar101 · 03-07-2020 01:19PM

Finland reopened pubs and restaurants a month ago, first with reduced opening hours and capacity, which have later been increased. So far there has been no reports of infections traced to pubs - and there has been 0 people in ICU since last week. They reported just 1 new case today, and the R0 number is estimated to be between 0.65 and 0.9. There haven't been any Covid-19 deaths since last Friday. Outdoor gatherings of up to 500 people are now allowed (since Wednesday), so some sporting events such as the national soccer league have been able to restart.

They have a similar situation to the "Americans in Killarney", with Russian tourists trying to book hotels in July, but the minister of the interior says they one of the last restrictions to be removed will be tourism between Finland and Russia.

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/coronavirus_latest_no_deaths_in_past_week_no_icu_patients_this_week_russian_confusion_over_border_reopening_gatherings_over_500_permitted/11249610

Rob A. Bank · 03-07-2020 01:20PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Every attention seeker on Facebook and Twitter will have a tale of them confronting a bunch of ignorant Yanks breaking social distancing or not wearing masks. Social media was a mistake.

On the other hand... only half the quarantine calls were answered !

"Anyone travelling into Ireland has to fill out a form telling officials where they plan to self-isolate for two weeks, but the quarantine itself isn't mandatory.

The Irish Independent reports that between the end of May and middle of June, calls were made to 684 recent arrivals.

But new figures show just 308 of the calls were answered."

This mickey mouse 'voluntary isolation' stuff has to stop, otherwise all our efforts to date will be undone... and quickly.

Assetbacked · 03-07-2020 01:20PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Woman who coughed at two paramedics and said 'I have the virus' is jailed for six months.

The paramedics have enough to deal with without crap like this.

It was an assault, but I wonder if she actually had the virus would it be 'assault with a deadly weapon' ?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/act/26/enacted/en/print.html

I think this may have something;

Section 6(2) A person who—

(a) sprays, pours or puts onto another blood or any fluid or substance resembling blood, or

(b) threatens to spray, pour or put onto another blood or any fluid or substance resembling blood,

with the intention of or where there is a likelihood of causing that other to believe that he or she may become infected with disease as a result of the action caused or threatened shall be guilty of an offence.

And;

(6) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (2) shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for life.

Now it's not an area of expertise and the Act may have been updated but it seems to be in the general area of an offence for infecting someone with covid! It's interesting that the law can only require a likelihood of infecting someone from the act (not just actually intending to infect them) and also covers the threat to infect them which caused the person to believe they would be infected.

thelad95 · 03-07-2020 01:23PM

ZX7R wrote: »

It seems professor Philip Nolan put forward that foreign students be aloud to travel for the academic year.
Sounds like a conflict of interests as he is a professor in maynooth.

Not just a professor but THE PRESIDENT of Maynooth. He has overseen the erosion of nearly all student facilities there to increase class and student capacity but I guess this is all a discussion for a very different thread!

ACitizenErased · 03-07-2020 01:27PM

Seven Septs wrote: »

Stop trying to take over the thread and back seat mod. Kermit has every bit as much a right as you to post.

Yawn.

Seven Septs · 03-07-2020 01:33PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yawn.

I know you live on here but others have a right to post too. You don't own the thread.

No wonder you're yawning, probably could do with some sleep.

ACitizenErased · 03-07-2020 01:35PM

Seven Septs wrote: »

I know you live on here but others have a right to post too. You don't own the thread.

No wonder you're yawning, probably could do with some sleep.

I’ve had plenty of sleep thank you. Everyone has the right to post on here, scaremongering with figures without context is heavily frowned upon and rightly so. You must be new.

blade1 · 03-07-2020 01:39PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Woman who coughed at two paramedics and said 'I have the virus' is jailed for six months.

The paramedics have enough to deal with without crap like this.

It was an assault, but I wonder if she actually had the virus would it be 'assault with a deadly weapon' ?

That kind of shìt boils my piss.
It's evicted from the planet she should be.

Seven Septs · 03-07-2020 01:42PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’ve had plenty of sleep thank you. Everyone has the right to post on here, scaremongering with figures without context is heavily frowned upon and rightly so. You must be new.

And you signed up in January, a few months before me:rolleyes: You're not exactly a seasoned poster.

There's no rule stating you have to provide context to numbers. No rule saying you must state, for example, the stats include back dated deaths etc. You're trying to make up rules.

Looking for petitions against other posters is 'heavily frowned on'.

ACitizenErased · 03-07-2020 01:46PM

Seven Septs wrote: »

And you signed up in January, a few months before me:rolleyes: You're not exactly a seasoned poster.

There's no rule stating you have to provide context to numbers. No rule saying you must state, for example, the stats include back dated deaths etc. You're trying to make up rules.

Looking for petitions against other posters is 'heavily frowned on'.

It’s not a rule it’s called being realistic. Thank god for the ignore button.

polesheep · 03-07-2020 01:46PM

Igotadose wrote: »

Even so, isolation enforcement can land on the University here if they allow them. They might actually do something about it (plus the peer pressure) versus the do-nothing Gardai in the rest of the country, whose hands are tied as the self-isolation rules are 'recommendations' not laws.

Really, can we simply pass an emergency declaration requiring mask wearing everywhere and move on? If the Gardai can cite you for not wearing a mask, so much the better. Stop with the handwashing and social distancing, reopen everything. But ensure we all wear masks.
Maybe ban large gatherings for awhile.

We've got 4.6 million people. Japan in excess of 120 million. They have a much higher percentage of elderly citizens, and yet, they have a fraction of the Covid deaths we do, despite the outbreak hitting earlier due to their proximity and ties with China. Because everyone readily wears masks.

Just so stupid, so many lives could have been saved.

The Japanese authorities ensured that their nursing/care homes were properly protected and elderly/vulnerable people kept themselves very low. Not everyone in Japan wears a mask. Over 70% of our deaths took place in nursing/care homes, never forget that.

ACitizenErased · 03-07-2020 01:48PM

I don’t think the Japanese deserve unanimous praise. They made a complete balls of the Diamond Princess early on.

polesheep · 03-07-2020 01:48PM

US2 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1278995351169613824?s=19

Now why would you do that?

is_that_so · 03-07-2020 01:55PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don’t think the Japanese deserve unanimous praise. They made a complete balls of the Diamond Princess early on.

No country really deserves such praise but some did very well. Japan would be one of those, along with Taiwan and South Korea.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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