Is it just me or have SF vanished?

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

They would just come back and say "How many FG members and supporters think its ok for a TD of FG attending a funeral where social distance rules were broke?"

We could do this all day its a ****ing disgrace to act like this over a funeral

The matter of whose funeral it was has all but been forgotten,
A hero to some
A shadowy gangster to others

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

So really you just want to abuse Sinn Fein and point score over a funeral.

Nope want to call out the hypocrisy and Sinn Fein double think every time I see it

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

As Sinn Féin have pointed out, they set up streaming of the funeral which 1/4 of a million people watched and they couldn't be held account for how many people turned up to line the streets.

They can be held to account as to why a Cork SF travelled all the way to Belfast for this jolly.

Truthvader wrote: »

Nope want to call out the hypocrisy and Sinn Fein double think every time I see it

But just SF hypocrisy and double think while ignoring the hypocrisy of FFG representatives also not adhering to social distancing guidelines but pontificating about SF. :pac:

Amazing hypocrisy and lack of self awareness from FFG fans on here.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Members of the Tipperary cell of SF formed the guard of honour for Storey.

Meanwhile in Cork FFG had a tea party. Literally the same day.

https://twitter.com/CllrDesCahil/status/1277904797207801856?s=19

What sort of people pose for selfies in a graveyard during a funeral?

Pandemic aside, that's just weird.

Can we all just agree, SF supporters or opponents, that this was a moronic and stupid move for SF on many levels? For me it doesn't negate issues of policy and ideology and I certainly hope that's the case at the next election, but defending the indefensible is the kind of sh!te FFG get up to routinely, there's absolutely no need for the left to do the same. It was a mistake, it set a horrendous example, it will have knock on effects on for example 12th of July parades and it gave the opposition an absolutely massive cudgel to beat SF with for the next few weeks at the very least.

It was a stupid, stupid thing to do. As a new-found fan of SF I'm incredibly disappointed and I doubt I'm the only one. Having said all that, nothing means more to me than opposing neoliberalism in politics at the moment so they'll still get my support along with the rest of the Irish left in trying to smash the FFG cabal.

maccored wrote: »

Two different jurisdictions completely with two different sets of rules re: covid 19. thats not a loophole - its just another example of the stupidity of a border

Meanwhile in Scotland ...
Nicola Sturgeon is arguing the complete opposite, why have one juristiction and one set of rules on the same island when you can have two sets of everything (including Covid guidelines).

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Can we all just agree, SF supporters or opponents, that this was a moronic and stupid move for SF on many levels? For me it doesn't negate issues of policy and ideology and I certainly hope that's the case at the next election, but defending the indefensible is the kind of sh!te FFG get up to routinely, there's absolutely no need for the left to do the same. It was a mistake, it set a horrendous example, it will have knock on effects on for example 12th of July parades and it gave the opposition an absolutely massive cudgel to beat SF with for the next few weeks at the very least.

It was a stupid, stupid thing to do. As a new-found fan of SF I'm incredibly disappointed and I doubt I'm the only one. Having said all that, nothing means more to me than opposing neoliberalism in politics at the moment so they'll still get my support along with the rest of the Irish left in trying to smash the FFG cabal.

The only thing I will say to you is that a lot of us told you so.

Sinn Fein are not to be trusted on anything. They are not to be trusted to obey public health guidelines, they are not to be trusted to obey the law, so why anyone would be mad enough to vote for them and trust them to keep their promises?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This 'conviction' just in from the man who was looking for O'Neill to step aside while a police investigation takes place to see what restrictions were broken.

Why would she bother when she has been found guilty already in the Special Shinner Court of blanch.

Instead of re-imagining what I said and re-inventing it as something else, why don't you address the point I made about trust in Sinn Fein.

By the way, that isn't the only example of Sinn Fein and its members disregard of the law.

I see Colum Eastwood from the SDLP has asked for O’Neill to stand aside during the police investigation.

Truthvader wrote: »

Read back. Not bothered at all by he social distancing argument on either side. It seems petty and pointless. Very bothered by the glorification and air brushing of a murdering thug and the reference to his "poor family" in circumstances where he was responsible for the malicious and deliberate destruction of so many other families in pursuit of whatever he wanted. If FF/ FG/PBP or the Greens were at the same thing I would call them out too. But they're not.

Ah so you're going to attack SF by cherry picking events from the conflict that ended after the GFA was implemented over 20 years ago. Same ould ding dong.

blanch152 wrote: »

The only thing I will say to you is that a lot of us told you so.

Sinn Fein are not to be trusted on anything. They are not to be trusted to obey public health guidelines, they are not to be trusted to obey the law, so why anyone would be mad enough to vote for them and trust them to keep their promises?

Because at least they're making them. FFG don't even hide the fact that they're slaves to free market neoliberalism. Taking a chance on a party which claims to oppose it is still the better gamble than voting for a party which 100% definitely supports it.

The "property as an investment tool as opposed to somewhere to live" paradigm has to be destroyed, or my generation will continue to suffer. FFG are very clearly fully on board with the "shafting the young so we can have a comfortable retirement" model of housing and Ireland needs an alternative.

jh79 wrote: »

Pressure piling up on MON now and some are calling for the SF TD's to stay away from the Dail and quarantine.

https://www.thejournal.ie/dup-michelle-oneill-bobby-storey-funeral-5139268-Jul2020/

Laughable stuff. She won't resign nor should she. If she does FFG politicians all over the place should fall on their swords. Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson in Westminster, Arlene Foster in The North should already be gone for all sorts of misdemeanours far more damaging than the optics one at the funeral in Belfast.

A nice little storm in a teacup to distract from more important events. This is the sort of stuff that FFG will get up to to distract from their own inefficiencies in the incoming government, but sure what do we expect. This (FFG) is the cohort after all that have lead Irish governments for the last century while crucial areas like the Health Service and Housing have remained disorganised and not fit for purpose due to their (FFG's) inertia and constant failure to tackle these crucial issues.