Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

owlbethere · 01-07-2020 04:59PM

The virus came into Ireland from people who travelled. Especially Italy and mid term break.

One of the saddest things I thought about recently. For a lot of the older people in nursing homes who died, they grew up in a different Ireland. Simpler times. Many of them probably never traveled far or abroad. There they were losing their life's from a virus that was brought in from people traveling. I think it's so sad.

hmmm · 01-07-2020 05:01PM

cnocbui wrote: »

In Prague, they celebrated the lifting of restrictions with a farewell Covid party and a 500m long table. I like their style.

I know people want to blow off steam, but deliberately doing dangerous activities in the face of a still circulating virus is idiotic.

ZX7R · 01-07-2020 05:02PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Had he specifically named them? What was the context? Hadn't seen those

There was an interview with professor jack Lambert from the mater hospital and CEO of Ryanair.
He tweeted that he felt like shouting at the radio because of the information been given.
Simon Harris has been called on to clarify who the tweet was directed towards

thegetawaycar · 01-07-2020 05:03PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'm grand with travel as long as anyone who subsequently falls ill is identified as having travelled and any medical care is paid for by Ryanair. We have a thing called a passport which makes this possible.

I'm not subsidising Michael O'Leary's next race horse because he convinced a large number of people to travel through marketing.

I wouldn't expect health care workers to be working miracles either this time around. Clock on clock off would be fair.

I don't think Ryanair should be held responsible, if people fly it's their choice. Personal responsibility. I wonder will we see people potentially looking to go to court against companies/people over infecting them with Covid

Eod100 · 01-07-2020 05:04PM

ZX7R wrote: »

There was an interview with professor jack Lambert from the mater hospital and CEO of Ryanair.
He tweeted that he felt like shouting at the radio because of the information been given.
Simon Harris has been called on to clarify who the tweet was directed towards

Misread your post. Thought you meant Holohan had mentioned them in an interview. Fair enough

Eod100 · 01-07-2020 05:06PM

thegetawaycar wrote: »

I don't think Ryanair should be held responsible, if people fly it's their choice. Personal responsibility. I wonder will we see people potentially looking to go to court against companies/people over infecting them with Covid

I wouldn't rule it out but it would be very difficult if not impossible to prove that someone got it from specific flight and that company was responsible for this

Spencer Brown · 01-07-2020 05:07PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The virus came into Ireland from people who travelled. Especially Italy and mid term break.

One of the saddest things I thought about recently. For a lot of the older people in nursing homes who died, they grew up in a different Ireland. Simpler times. Many of them probably never traveled far or abroad. There they were losing their life's from a virus that was brought in from people traveling. I think it's so sad.

And most of them probably benefited from advancements to live longer up until now. What exactly is your point?

ZX7R · 01-07-2020 05:08PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's the minister for foreign affairs brief as I understand, Simon Covney.

Rumblings coming from his department is that originally the 9th of July was pegged in original negotiations in the EU for the resumption of EU travel and cought out by the change in date to today .
when the agreement was passed yesterday.
Makes a bit of sence seeing as UK plan on releasing there flight bridges on the 8th of July.

ZX7R · 01-07-2020 05:11PM

thegetawaycar wrote: »

I don't think Ryanair should be held responsible, if people fly it's their choice. Personal responsibility. I wonder will we see people potentially looking to go to court against companies/people over infecting them with Covid

If that were to happen forget about having public transport or taxi's or any form of transport travel involving a payment

Eod100 · 01-07-2020 05:14PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Rumblings coming from his department is that originally the 9th of July was pegged in original negotiations in the EU for the resumption of EU travel and cought out by the change in date to today .
when the agreement was passed yesterday.
Makes a bit of sence seeing as UK plan on releasing there flight bridges on the 8th of July.

Today was for third countries outside the EU. For internal EU travel it's still the 9th.

Rob A. Bank · 01-07-2020 05:14PM

thegetawaycar wrote: »

I don't think Ryanair should be held responsible, if people fly it's their choice. Personal responsibility. I wonder will we see people potentially looking to go to court against companies/people over infecting them with Covid

Ryanair beware...

The South Korean city of Daegu is suing a doomsday church for 100 billion won ($82 million) in damages.

The Shincheonji Church of Jesus and its controversial founder, Lee Man-hee, were accused of hindering Daegu's lockdown efforts and leading to thousands of infections spread by churchgoers.

Over 5,000 of South Korea's 12,850 recorded coronavirus cases have been linked to the fringe religious group.

https://www.insider.com/south-korea-doomsday-church-shincheonji-sued-daegu-coronavirus-damages-2020-6

Renjit · 01-07-2020 05:25PM

cnocbui wrote: »

In Prague, they celebrated the lifting of restrictions with a farewell Covid party and a 500m long table. I like their style.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/01/coronavirus-live-updates.html

Pure scientific instinct

ZX7R · 01-07-2020 05:26PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Today was for third countries outside the EU. For internal EU travel it's still the 9th.

No when the proposal was passed yesterday it came into effect from midnight even for EU travel

bennyineire · 01-07-2020 05:27PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Ryanair beware...

The South Korean city of Daegu is suing a doomsday church for 100 billion won ($82 million) in damages.

The Shincheonji Church of Jesus and its controversial founder, Lee Man-hee, were accused of hindering Daegu's lockdown efforts and leading to thousands of infections spread by churchgoers.

Over 5,000 of South Korea's 12,850 recorded coronavirus cases have been linked to the fringe religious group.

https://www.insider.com/south-korea-doomsday-church-shincheonji-sued-daegu-coronavirus-damages-2020-6

No court case would have a hope against Ryanair at this stage, everybody is fully aware of the risks now. If you catch it on a Ryanair flight, well that's your fault IMHO

Renjit · 01-07-2020 05:28PM

thegetawaycar wrote: »

I don't think Ryanair should be held responsible, if people fly it's their choice. Personal responsibility. I wonder will we see people potentially looking to go to court against companies/people over infecting them with Covid

They could have updated their terms and conditions to reflect this. Travel insurance should be responsible in that case?

Eod100 · 01-07-2020 05:29PM

ZX7R wrote: »

No when the proposal was passed yesterday it came into effect from midnight even for EU travel

There hasn't been a green list of EU countries published by EU yet though. The only list published so far is third countries outside the EU

Assetbacked · 01-07-2020 05:29PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The virus came into Ireland from people who travelled. Especially Italy and mid term break.

One of the saddest things I thought about recently. For a lot of the older people in nursing homes who died, they grew up in a different Ireland. Simpler times. Many of them probably never traveled far or abroad. There they were losing their life's from a virus that was brought in from people traveling. I think it's so sad.

If you want to make a bigger point about travel then I would add in the point about meat eating and globalisation generally.

CruelSummer · 01-07-2020 05:32PM

thegetawaycar wrote: »

I don't think Ryanair should be held responsible, if people fly it's their choice. Personal responsibility. I wonder will we see people potentially looking to go to court against companies/people over infecting them with Covid

There's also the small matter that NPHET are going against the advice of the ECDC, our EU counterparts and other European bodies in relation to the resumption of air travel.

Van.Bosch · 01-07-2020 05:33PM

bennyineire wrote: »

No court case would have a hope against Ryanair at this stage, everybody is fully aware of the risks now. If you catch it on a Ryanair flight, well that's your fault IMHO

Agreed - why would Ryanair be different than Bus Eireann bus from Dublin to Cork

Eod100 · 01-07-2020 05:34PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

There's also the small matter that NPHET are going against the advice of the ECDC, our EU counterparts and other European bodies in relation to the resumption of air travel.

In what sense? It's up to member states to decide on what's best for them on public health grounds not the ECDC.

drunkmonkey · 01-07-2020 05:36PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

There's also the small matter that NPHET are going against the advice of the ECDC, our EU counterparts and other European bodies in relation to the resumption of air travel.

WHO have told Irish citizen not to travel, NPHET says not to travel and the Government said again today not to travel.
The advice is clearly for Irish people not to travel there isn't anything ambiguous about it.

ZX7R · 01-07-2020 05:36PM

Eod100 wrote: »

There hasn't been a green list of EU countries published by EU yet though. The only list published so far is third countries outside the EU

The Schengen area open up as of midnight , except for members that chose not too.
It did not include Ireland as we are not a part

caveat emptor · 01-07-2020 05:41PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I wouldn't rule it out but it would be very difficult if not impossible to prove that someone got it from specific flight and that company was responsible for this

And that exactly is why we have no confirmed cases from air travel.

If Ryanair was Iranian though we would know. We know that people brought it back from Italy after ski holidays. Where is Ryanair's biggest hub in Europe? Oh yeah Bergamo. Not rocket science lads.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-52537663/coronavirus-by-air-the-spread-of-covid-19-in-the-middle-east

https://www.anna.aero/2016/09/12/milanbergamo-is-ryanairs-biggest-base-in-mainland-europe/

shinzon · 01-07-2020 05:44PM

https://www.wlrfm.com/2020/07/01/e850000-for-new-waterford-developed-contact-tracing-app/?fbclid=IwAR3PkMJREAAxcPHrIfWl3k60iBNDRbAjC1M-3QCBFOP7dZCGLN17LNsrBPA#

The new Covid 19 contact tracing App, which has been developed by Waterford company Nearform, has cost €850,000 so far to develop.

The long waited HSE app is set to be launched this week if it’s approved by Cabinet. Nearform, who developed the app, build software that integrates digital technology into all areas of business. They are based in Tramore, and in 2016 were the overall winners of the WLR sponsored Waterford Business Awards.

The new App will work via Bluetooth and let people know if someone close to them had Covid 19.

There have been privacy concerns surrounding the app, but the HSE says data will be stored on people’s phones and it won’t be shared with a government server.

Tech expert Jess Kelly outlines how it will work, “If your phone is in close proximity to my phone for a prolonged period of time, which we understand to be around 15 minutes or more, and then you are subsequently confirmed as having Covid-19, a notification will appear on my phone and then the contact tracing team will contact me saying you have been in close contact with somebody who is now a confirmed case, you should self isolate.”

Shin

ZX7R · 01-07-2020 05:45PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

WHO have told Irish citizen not to travel, NPHET says not to travel and the Government said again today not to travel.
The advice is clearly for Irish people not to travel there isn't anything ambiguous about it.

Of the three groups you mentioned.
Only one can actually tell us not to travel our government and even then they can't because of our common travel area with the UK .
More importantly with northern Ireland.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-07-2020 05:47PM

Arizona reports new record cases as well as deaths

4,877 new cases (1,000 more than the previous record a couple of days a go) and 88 deaths

Florida is off it's records but reports 6,500 new cases and 45 deaths

ACitizenErased · 01-07-2020 05:47PM

3 further deaths RIP

6 cases

fritzelly · 01-07-2020 05:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

3 further deaths RIP

6 cases

Sad for the 3 deaths but only 6 cases is very good numbers again

bodhrandude · 01-07-2020 05:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

3 further deaths RIP

6 cases

Is that Nationwide or Cork or Galway?

ACitizenErased · 01-07-2020 05:49PM

31 cases associated with travel in June - NPHET to meet tomorrow to review the response to the virus

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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