Is it just me or have SF vanished?

FrancieBrady · 01-07-2020 12:28PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

You and others spent days and post after post about Leo and his park thing, his speech, criticising it and him to the last for his insensitivities.
Christ on a bike lads where's your sensitivities now.
Are any of you prepared to state that Mary Lou and Pearse and Michelle should have a bit of cop on and show leadership instead of what went on yesterday.
Taking the crowd out of it, focusing on the politicians that were at least talking of being in govt, even Taoiseach at one stage, they were virtually sticking their fingers up at the people who suffered loss were ill and are afraid of the virus still let alone the ones who have died.
They could have had a teleconference with the family to express their sorrows or turned up and visited them privately, there was plenty of time since his death.
They could have taken out a full page ad in all the papers and on social media to highlight his career and uligise him and his achievements.
I add to my list of stupid leaders now, in line with Trump and Johnson, the leadership of the Sinn féin party, Marylou MC Donald, Pearse Doherty and Michelle O Néill at least.

I did criticise them. They should have done better.

Exactly as I have criticised Leo when appropriate...he should have done better too.

'Two fingers' thing.
It wasn't SF taking the snaps and plastering over the media for political gain. These photos could have been used the way Garda Horkan's were, as 'photo's' of a funeral.
They could also have been viewed the same way by people who are not hypocrites.
We could all have rushed on to social media asking 'why was x, y, and z there, and 'look at those mourners, showing two fingers to others who have lost...but NOBODY did that.

Bishop of hope · 01-07-2020 12:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I did criticise them. They should have done better.

Exactly as I have criticised Leo when appropriate...he should have done better too.

'Two fingers' thing.
It wasn't SF taking the snaps and plastering over the media for political gain. These photos could have been used the way Garda Horkan's were, as 'photo's' of a funeral.
They could also have been viewed the same way by people who are not hypocrites.
We could all have rushed on to social media asking 'why was x, y, and z there, and 'look at those mourners, showing two fingers to others who have lost...but NOBODY did that.

Ah ffs, it's everybody elses fault for taking pictures.
Is that the best you can come up with.

Edgware · 01-07-2020 12:32PM

nigeldaniel wrote: »

Would they [SF] all have turned up if there were no cameras?
Sf have a long track record of publicity stunts at every turn and opportunity.

When will we be getting the "volley of shots over the grave" coverage?
Of course when it comes to Gerry's time there wont be any as he was never a Volunteer

Mortelaro · 01-07-2020 12:39PM

The Garda Funeral was a State Funeral
I'm not sure the same protocols apply to those,especially to that of a Garda
The army pall bearers may have shared a barracks so as housemates may have been chosen for the no need to social distance

Bobby Storey is in the same category as any convicted IRA person with the good Friday agreement effectively pardoned
Being a Boss in the IRA and central to securing that agreements implementation, I don't think using the words criminal or similar is helpful
Facts are as I see it,1000's wanted to go to that Funeral and did outside
OK MLM and MoN shouldn't have been in the church and maybe others

That will be acceptable to Republicans but probably not most others who had funerals and still do under pandemic rules

FrancieBrady · 01-07-2020 12:44PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

The Garda Funeral was a State Funeral
I'm not sure the same protocols apply to those,especially to that of a Garda
The army pall bearers may have shared a barracks so as housemates may have been chosen for the no need to social distance

Bobby Storey is in the same category as any convicted IRA person with the good Friday agreement effectively pardoned
Being a Boss in the IRA and central to securing that agreements implementation, I don't think using the words criminal or similar is helpful
Facts are as I see it,1000's wanted to go to that Funeral and did outside
OK MLM and MoN shouldn't have been in the church and maybe others

That will be acceptable to Republicans but probably not most others who had funerals and still do under pandemic rules

According to Pearse Doherty this morning on Sarah McInerney they were invited to be there by the family.

As he also said, it is a matter for the PSNI to review now and they had liaised with them all the way through the organising.

costacorta · 01-07-2020 12:48PM

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Now that the orations are over and there is time to reflect, what do people think was Bobby Storey's greatest contribution to life in Ireland?

His greatest contributions would have been masterminding the Northern Bank Raid and also the breakout of the Maze ..

markodaly · 01-07-2020 12:52PM

The SF Dominic Cummings moment is here.
Disgraceful carry on but sure, the little people can suck it up.

Mortelaro · 01-07-2020 12:54PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

According to Pearse Doherty this morning on Sarah McInerney they were invited to be there by the family.

As he also said, it is a matter for the PSNI to review now and they had liaised with them all the way through the organising.

That doesn't hold water though because its all do as I say but I won't do what I say stuff with the legislators present
The PSNI will probably tippy toe around this,pragmatism will win
That still won't make it fair though

FrancieBrady · 01-07-2020 12:58PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

That doesn't hold water though because its all do as I say but I won't do what I say stuff with the legislators present
The PSNI will probably tippy toe around this,pragmatism will win
That still won't make it fair though

He clearly said, had it been Sunday then none of the SF people from the south would have been there.

The restrictions are relaxing. It is nothing like it was even two weeks ago.

But good to see the usual ****e will prevail...PSNI engaged and consulted in the organisation and have no issues...'ah that's just them being pragmatic and saving de peace process'.

maccored · 01-07-2020 12:59PM

costacorta wrote: »

His greatest contributions would have been masterminding the Northern Bank Raid

but he wasnt in the ruc

JohnnyFlash · 01-07-2020 01:04PM

Do they buy those black ties and leather jackets in bulk?

Mortelaro · 01-07-2020 01:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He clearly said, had it been Sunday then none of the SF people from the south would have been there.

The restrictions are relaxing. It is nothing like it was even two weeks ago.

But good to see the usual ****e will prevail...PSNI engaged and consulted in the organisation and have no issues...'ah that's just them being pragmatic and saving de peace process'.

You don't get the optics of this being bad or are Republicans excused from bad optics?

blanch152 · 01-07-2020 01:06PM

McMurphy wrote: »

The virus doesn't care blanch.

So you are ridiculing one and hall passing the other.

Brilliant. You sir are a hypocrite.

Sorry if you don't agree that a Garda being shot in the line of duty with a State funeral deserves more respect and more leeway than a criminal thug who masterminded terrorist operations.

There is no hypocrisy in that, there is distinction.

However, that wasn't the point I made, which you skilfully avoided, it was "the main point is the example being shown by political leaders".

As has been pointed out, there are many of you who have criticised and ridiculed Varadkar for a beer in the park and are giving hall passes to Mary-Lou on this occasion.

FrancieBrady · 01-07-2020 01:07PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

You don't get the optics of this being bad or are Republicans excused from bad optics?

Well, you know Mort...forgive me, but the 'optics' for some people were never going to be good were they. It was the funeral of an 'evil criminal' after all.

blanch152 · 01-07-2020 01:08PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

The Garda Funeral was a State Funeral
I'm not sure the same protocols apply to those,especially to that of a Garda
The army pall bearers may have shared a barracks so as housemates may have been chosen for the no need to social distance

Bobby Storey is in the same category as any convicted IRA person with the good Friday agreement effectively pardoned
Being a Boss in the IRA and central to securing that agreements implementation, I don't think using the words criminal or similar is helpful
Facts are as I see it,1000's wanted to go to that Funeral and did outside
OK MLM and MoN shouldn't have been in the church and maybe others

That will be acceptable to Republicans but probably not most others who had funerals and still do under pandemic rules

Former criminal? Ex-terrorist? Pardoning doesn't take away the things he did.

maccored · 01-07-2020 01:09PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Sorry if you don't agree that a Garda being shot in the line of duty with a State funeral deserves more respect and more leeway than a criminal thug who masterminded terrorist operations.

There is no hypocrisy in that, there is distinction.

However, that wasn't the point I made, which you skilfully avoided, it was "the main point is the example being shown by political leaders".

As has been pointed out, there are many of you who have criticised and ridiculed Varadkar for a beer in the park and are giving hall passes to Mary-Lou on this occasion.

Varadkar had a beer in the park whilst telling everyone else to stay home. get the context right.

Bishop of hope · 01-07-2020 01:09PM

maccored wrote: »

but he wasnt in the ruc

:D

James Brown · 01-07-2020 01:10PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

I most certainly did reference the BBC regarding the 10 people
I said later that drivetime were reporting that the BBC were reporting that
So now I'm dishonest for having posted the guidance in full?
And I did say where I got that the BBC were reporting the more than 10 people
Posts attached
Both of your statements are wrong on what I said and you've the cheek to mention honesty after that :eek:

Jaysis

Tony Holahans press conferences
Ignore them all you like but they're a perfect example of where you are wrong when you try to say zooms don't distort distances, they do

Or anyone that disagrees with you it seems to me or in this case provides an inconveniently irrefutable bit of zoom lens evidence on distance distortion

Can you prove the type of lens used? Is it not a bunch or those lens make people look closer than they are?

maccored · 01-07-2020 01:11PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

:D

well he wasnt. We DO know where 50 grand of that money ended up (the only money they found). It was in an RUC leisure centre - probably as payment.

Or do you believe the hilarious assumption that the IRA sneaked into a heavily guarded building and planted it?

ricero · 01-07-2020 01:11PM

Faux outrage and a storm in a teacup. The blm marches and recent garda funeral had zero social distancing.

blanch152 · 01-07-2020 01:13PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

According to Pearse Doherty this morning on Sarah McInerney they were invited to be there by the family.

As he also said, it is a matter for the PSNI to review now and they had liaised with them all the way through the organising.

Now you are blaming the Storey family!!!!!

While to rest of us, Bobby Storey may have been nothing more than an evil criminal terrorist, even I would acknowldge that to his family he must have been something different. Shifting the blame onto them for the actions of Mary-Lou, Pearse, Michelle, Gerry, Conor Murphy (the latter two not invited according to Matt Carthy) and the rest of the full turn-out of the SF leadership is a new low for blame-shifting.

And as I keep wondering, for such an "eminent person", why did nobody from our government or across the divide in Northern Ireland have anything decent to say about the man? We all know the answer.

James Brown · 01-07-2020 01:13PM

ricero wrote: »

Faux outrage and a storm in a teacup. The blm marches and recent garda funeral had zero social distancing.

I thought Foster had some neck.

blanch152 · 01-07-2020 01:14PM

maccored wrote: »

Varadkar had a beer in the park whilst telling everyone else to stay home. get the context right.

Except he wasn't telling everyone else to stay home at that stage. People were ok to be outside so long as they social distanced.

seamus · 01-07-2020 01:15PM

The comparison with Garda Horkan's funeral is pure stupidity.

The only member of Government who was there, was Flanagan. As Minister for Justice, he is in essence the employer of Garda Horkan, and Garda Horkan died performing his duties in the service of the state. Thus Flanagan's presence at the funeral was essential from a business perspective.

Varadkar and other officials didn't attend, they marked respect from a distance.

Storey was not a public servant. He was not in the employment of the state at the time of his death. He was just a man, who died. Thus, there is no comparison.

Also, I didn't see Flanagan posing for selfies at Garda Horkan's funeral. O'Neill was down in Dublin over the weekend, completely unnecessarily. This woman is a complete hypocrite and a danger to public health.

So are the rest of Sinn Fein.

But I suppose the Shinners here will defend O'Neill's blatant disregard for the pandemic with more whataboutery. Leo's cans, perhaps?

maccored · 01-07-2020 01:18PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Except he wasn't telling everyone else to stay home at that stage. People were ok to be outside so long as they social distanced.

ah stop

Under the government rules, groups of four are permitted to meet outside.

However, they are restricted from travelling further than 5km from their homes and groups must remain two metres apart from anyone they are not currently residing with.

Phoenix Park is roughly eight kilometres from Mr. Varadkar’s apartment on Carpenterstown Road in the Dublin West constituency.

https://www.irishpost.com/news/footage-leo-varadkar-meeting-friends-enjoying-sun-phoenix-park-lockdown-sparks-fury-online-185573

Bishop of hope · 01-07-2020 01:21PM

Bowie wrote: »

I thought Foster had some neck.

If you like that sort of thing.
Perfectly within her rights to complain, would be surprised if she didn't tbf.
SF bollixed up, simple as that.

James Brown · 01-07-2020 01:25PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Except he wasn't telling everyone else to stay home at that stage. People were ok to be outside so long as they social distanced.

Working over time Blanch? Varadkar again?

James Brown · 01-07-2020 01:25PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

If you like that sort of thing.
Perfectly within her rights to complain, would be surprised if she didn't tbf.
SF bollixed up, simple as that.

They did agreed. Out of order. Foster has some neck though.

votecounts · 01-07-2020 01:26PM

What laws did anyone break going to this funeral, travel is unlimited at this stage or is it a case because its a republican funeral that its a crime,
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McMurphy · 01-07-2020 01:30PM

Brilliant, we can just tell get all the cancelled events/holidays etc back in full swing now, and disregard the social distancing guidelines.

If the virus asks,(sssssh) we'll just tell it that it's a state funeral, or an event held for a public servant etc - it'll never know any better the big eegit.

People attending those can tear away with impunity apparently. It's only shinners breaking guidelines that pose a danger of the virus being spread.

Wonder what Tony Holohan will think of this most recent revelation.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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