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  • #3572
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    hardybuck wrote: »
    What's unclear?

    The Chief Medical Officer doesn't recommend that you go, but you can make the decision to go if you want to - it isn't illegal.

    Seems fairly straightforward to me.

    A firm travel advisory is needed- unequivocally stating it is safe to travel, or it is unsafe to do so. Different branches of government stating different things- does not work. Mixed messages = no message.


  • #3573
    hardybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    The_Conductor wrote: »
    A firm travel advisory is needed- unequivocally stating it is safe to travel, or it is unsafe to do so. Different branches of government stating different things- does not work. Mixed messages = no message.

    From my read of it the shift has been for responsibility to be placed upon individuals to make an informed choice.

    The DFA have been issuing travel advisories forever that nobody pays too much notice of. You can go to Syria in the morning if you want to, and if you can get there - your call even if we don't recommend it.

    I don't think you're going to get a situation where you get a clear list of countries where it's safe to travel to. Going anywhere will come with risk for the foreseeable. There is talk of these 'air bridges' that'll be updated every two weeks, but I think that could cause even more confusion.


  • #3574
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    And we have our first scandal

    https://twitter.com/johnconnors1990/status/1277940607122657285?s=19


  • #3575
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Sometimes you have to take the hit,

    Take one for the team


  • #3576
    hardybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    And we have our first scandal

    https://twitter.com/johnconnors1990/status/1277940607122657285?s=19

    John Connors is an awful dose.


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  • #3577
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    hardybuck wrote: »
    John Connors is an awful dose.

    I don't think John see's the irony here


  • #3578
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    You apparently find it acceptable that costs continue to spiral.
    I don't.
    I find it strange that other countries seem to be able to not end up with the same level of delays and increased costs.
    But sure - we know better here and they are doing it wrong.

    What other countries? Sure in authoritarian and pseudo democracies things get built quickly, usually at the expense of fair tendering and local concerns. Germany perhaps? Well let me point you to Brandenburg airport...

    Would you be happy to see projects rammed through without consultation? Would you be happy to see Government cronies appointed to public contracts with little or no oversight? That's effectively what you are saying if you want planning and tendering guillotined.

    Or would you rather projects be rushed to site before the details are worked out, effectively leaving the budget unfinalised? Because you appear to be arguing for both quick starts and cheap delivery, but you can't have both. You can have one or the other.


  • #3579
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bowie wrote: »
    They show they put more money into using the private market over building state owned social and affordable. That's the only point claimed.
    This has been well covered. FG will tell you same.
    Can you show they favored building state owned propetty over leasing and ppp builds? Can you f***.
    It's a waste of money IMO.

    You made a specific claim in your original post, that you have failed to back up. Here it is again:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113899239&postcount=3532


    "the fact that the FG government preferred 25 year leases and PPP's built to rent"

    You were asked to back up that "fact" and you couldn't. Now, you are shifting your claim into a more general point - "they put more money into using the private market over building state owned social and affordable" - to cover your blushes. That is a different claim.

    Pointing out that your posts have shifted the goalposts to cover the fact that you could not back up your original assertion is all I am doing.


  • #3580
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    You made a specific claim in your original post, that you have failed to back up. Here it is again:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113899239&postcount=3532


    "the fact that the FG government preferred 25 year leases and PPP's built to rent"

    You were asked to back up that "fact" and you couldn't. Now, you are shifting your claim into a more general point - "they put more money into using the private market over building state owned social and affordable" - to cover your blushes. That is a different claim.

    Pointing out that your posts have shifted the goalposts to cover the fact that you could not back up your original assertion is all I am doing.

    Ha :)
    the FG government preferred 25 year leases and PPP's built to rent. Unless you have other information?
    They show they put more money into using the private market over building state owned social and affordable.

    Completely different :rolleyes:

    It's backed up. Same geographical position of the goalpost.
    The rest of your comment is the usual bitter diversion. Give it up.
    FG exacerbated the FG housing crises by prioritising using build to rent, leases etc.
    Common knowledge. And a desperate pitch from you. Showing yourself up again. Obsessed with defending FG. No credibility.


  • #3581
    KyussB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭KyussB


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    MTT dude. Haha. I know how central banking works, my friend.
    You don't appear to - you don't seem to realize we live in a fiat money system, nor how money creation works - you seem to think that money is e.g. like gold, in that it has to be dug up out of the ground, or is otherwise burdensome to create.

    How, exactly, do you think money is created? You would struggle to differentiate an accurate description of that, from any description of the facetious 'money tree' fallacy/thought-terminating-cliche.


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  • #3582
    LawBoy2018
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    Have any junior ministers been announced yet??


  • #3583
    mgn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭mgn


    LawBoy2018 wrote: »
    Have any junior ministers been announced yet??

    Not yet, don't be surprised if one of Catherine Martins kids get to be a junior minister the Greens like to keep things in the family.


  • #3584
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bowie wrote: »
    Ha :)





    Completely different :rolleyes:

    It's backed up. Same geographical position of the goalpost.
    The rest of your comment is the usual bitter diversion. Give it up.
    FG exacerbated the FG housing crises by prioritising using build to rent, leases etc.
    Common knowledge. And a desperate pitch from you. Showing yourself up again. Obsessed with defending FG. No credibility.

    They are different points, very different points. You made specific reference to 25-year leases and PPPs, and later conflated that into wider use of the private sector.

    I can't figure out whether you don't understand the distinction or whether you are trying to goad a reaction from me, or something else.


  • #3585
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    They are different points, very different points. You made specific reference to 25-year leases and PPPs, and later conflated that into wider use of the private sector.

    I can't figure out whether you don't understand the distinction or whether you are trying to goad a reaction from me, or something else.

    I said they prefer ppp builds to rent and 25 year leases over building social housing.
    They are the same point. I showed what they spent on it. You've no argument here.
    I would say this is a lot of time and energy to spend on dishonest pedantry but then again your whole agenda is playing defense for FG. You have posted many hateful and dishonest posts but this must be among the most vacuous.
    FG used by choice the private market which exacerbated their housing crisis.
    Are we getting close to you insulting me with absolutely no attempt to back it up?
    Will you be inferring I'm a Stone cutter?

    P.S: Goading you? That's paranoia. I'd be content never dealing with you.


  • #3586
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    What other countries? Sure in authoritarian and pseudo democracies things get built quickly, usually at the expense of fair tendering and local concerns. Germany perhaps? Well let me point you to Brandenburg airport...

    Would you be happy to see projects rammed through without consultation? Would you be happy to see Government cronies appointed to public contracts with little or no oversight? That's effectively what you are saying if you want planning and tendering guillotined.

    Or would you rather projects be rushed to site before the details are worked out, effectively leaving the budget unfinalised? Because you appear to be arguing for both quick starts and cheap delivery, but you can't have both. You can have one or the other.

    Oh look - I'm not the only one who thinks we have 'rare form'
    Massive overspending on big public projects is not unusual internationally, but Ireland has rare form in this regard. The motorway network, Luas, the national broadband plan, the Health Service Executive’s PPARS (personnel, payroll and related systems) computer system, the Dublin port tunnel and now the national children’s hospital projects all saw huge increases beyond the initial cost.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/pattern-of-overspending-in-major-irish-infrastructure-projects-1.3788845

    Here is the authoritarian and pseudo-democracy of Switzerland
    A new governance report shows the Swiss are top of the heap when it comes to finishing infrastructure projects

    https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/opinion/infrastructure-projects-swiss-are-on-the-right-track/23538262.html?ticket=ST-8345178-XoanSZsSfTKU5BEob2BO-ap5


  • #3587
    nc6000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭nc6000


    The Fianna Fáil TD Jim O’Callaghan has turned down an offer of a junior ministerial post.

    Mr O’Callaghan told The Irish Times he was offered a junior position in the Department of Justice, with responsibility for law reform.

    “I was asked this afternoon by an Taoiseach, Micheál Martin TD, to accept an appointment as minister of state in the government. Having thought carefully about this offer I have decided not to accept,” he said.

    “The reason I am not accepting is because I believe my energy and abilities will be better used as a backbench Fianna Fáil TD rather than as a junior member of government.

    “At a time when many of our party’s senior members will be preoccupied with their ministerial duties, I want to devote more time to strengthening our great party by making it a more attractive option for young voters. I also believe Fianna Fáil needs strong voices outside government who can ensure that our party’s identity can be protected during the term of this coalition government.

    “I wish Micheál and his government every success in the years ahead.”


  • #3588
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    If this ‘agreement’ proves anything it’s the arrogance of these churns running the country.

    All we hear prior to agreement is ‘I just want to achieve change’

    The recent appointments prove otherwise in that coins offered huge jobs in the State have shown that all they want is status and the wedge.

    Time these tools were exposed and given the chop next time out.

    Complete disrespect for the country and an example of selfishness and arrogance.


  • #3589
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,525 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    If this ‘agreement’ proves anything it’s the arrogance of these churns running the country.

    All we hear prior to agreement is ‘I just want to achieve change’

    The recent appointments prove otherwise in that coins offered huge jobs in the State have shown that all they want is status and the wedge.

    Time these tools were exposed and given the chop next time out.

    Complete disrespect for the country and an example of selfishness and arrogance.
    Is churns a slang term?
    Is there a question anywhere in this?
    What does "coins offered huge jobs" mean?


  • #3590
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    nc6000 wrote: »
    The Fianna Fáil TD Jim O’Callaghan has turned down an offer of a junior ministerial post.

    Mr O’Callaghan told The Irish Times he was offered a junior position in the Department of Justice, with responsibility for law reform.

    “I was asked this afternoon by an Taoiseach, Micheál Martin TD, to accept an appointment as minister of state in the government. Having thought carefully about this offer I have decided not to accept,” he said.

    “The reason I am not accepting is because I believe my energy and abilities will be better used as a backbench Fianna Fáil TD rather than as a junior member of government.

    “At a time when many of our party’s senior members will be preoccupied with their ministerial duties, I want to devote more time to strengthening our great party by making it a more attractive option for young voters. I also believe Fianna Fáil needs strong voices outside government who can ensure that our party’s identity can be protected during the term of this coalition government.

    “I wish Micheál and his government every success in the years ahead.”

    Social distancing?


  • #3591
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    gmisk wrote: »
    Is churns a slang term?
    Is there a question anywhere in this?
    What does "coins offered huge jobs" mean?

    Sorry, my friend, but this stuff really agitates me.

    A guy not too long in big time politics rejects a big job in the running of the State,because as it seems, it is beneath him.

    Other people doing the same.Others not happy with big jobs

    Kind of makes fools of the electorate who vote in good faith for these people.

    Sorry for the terminology but the electorate should go after these people.


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  • #3592
    cfuserkildare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,618 ✭✭✭cfuserkildare


    Just saw this and I must say that I am appalled by this,


    Total Sellouts!!


    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0701/1150815-green-party-environment-groups/


  • #3593
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,686 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    nc6000 wrote: »
    The Fianna Fáil TD Jim O’Callaghan has turned down an offer of a junior ministerial post.

    Mr O’Callaghan told The Irish Times he was offered a junior position in the Department of Justice, with responsibility for law reform.

    “I was asked this afternoon by an Taoiseach, Micheál Martin TD, to accept an appointment as minister of state in the government. Having thought carefully about this offer I have decided not to accept,” he said.

    “The reason I am not accepting is because I believe my energy and abilities will be better used as a backbench Fianna Fáil TD rather than as a junior member of government.

    “At a time when many of our party’s senior members will be preoccupied with their ministerial duties, I want to devote more time to strengthening our great party by making it a more attractive option for young voters. I also believe Fianna Fáil needs strong voices outside government who can ensure that our party’s identity can be protected during the term of this coalition government.

    “I wish Micheál and his government every success in the years ahead.”

    Jim is heading into the long grass to wait his turn.


  • #3594
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,513 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Threads merged


  • #3595
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Jim is heading into the long grass to wait his turn.

    Jim should be shafted by his electorate quicker than an otter off a bank.

    The arrogance of the lad and that other coin from education ! McHugh.

    Taking the electorate as idiots.

    And we have the power....


  • #3596
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    I don't think John see's the irony here

    Why wasn't Mr Fûcking Know All Connors given the Seanad gig?


  • #3597
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The juniors are in! Interesting that O'Callaghan turned down a job.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0701/1150674-junior-ministerial-appointments/


  • #3598
    mgn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭mgn


    Edgware wrote: »
    Why wasn't Mr Fûcking Know All Connors given the Seanad gig?

    Not good enough for him, waiting around for the next Presidential election i would think.


  • #3599
    Truthvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    nc6000 wrote: »
    The Fianna Fáil TD Jim O’Callaghan has turned down an offer of a junior ministerial post.

    Mr O’Callaghan told The Irish Times he was offered a junior position in the Department of Justice, with responsibility for law reform.

    “I was asked this afternoon by an Taoiseach, Micheál Martin TD, to accept an appointment as minister of state in the government. Having thought carefully about this offer I have decided not to accept,” he said.

    “The reason I am not accepting is because I believe my energy and abilities will be better used as a backbench Fianna Fáil TD rather than as a junior member of government.

    “At a time when many of our party’s senior members will be preoccupied with their ministerial duties, I want to devote more time to strengthening our great party by making it a more attractive option for young voters. I also believe Fianna Fáil needs strong voices outside government who can ensure that our party’s identity can be protected during the term of this coalition government.

    “I wish Micheál and his government every success in the years ahead.”

    A sulky entitled little pup. Hope he gets a good kick up the arse


  • #3600
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    nc6000 wrote: »
    The Fianna Fáil TD Jim O’Callaghan has turned down an offer of a junior ministerial post.

    The arrogant little so and so! You will take whatever ministerial role you're given and be thankful for it. You are serving the public, not yourself. His lame excuse was pathetic. The country is in crisis and he is more worried about his pension and esteem. FF certainly haven't lost their greed.

    This government is off to a shaky start.


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  • #3601
    Tommybojangles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Tommybojangles


    Can someone explain what a coin is?


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