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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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    #92
    dundalkfc10
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    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    We aren't in a better place than March. Our nations finances are destroyed and another stricter lockdown is inevitable.

    Facts are people won't stand for another lockdown and we don't have the police or army to force it


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    #93
    Utopia Parkway
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Very interesting article from someone without agenda. Well worth a read.

    Speaks of silent lung damage observed. Sums up some of most important things we still don't know yet and why it's best to avoid if possible.




    https://twitter.com/ConversationUK/status/1276815144824209408?s=20

    Very interesting article on the same site from two epidemiologists.

    https://twitter.com/ConversationUK/status/1277703232605872132


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    #94
    ACitizenErased
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    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    We aren't in a better place than March. Our nations finances are destroyed and another stricter lockdown is inevitable.
    Who said it's inevitable? and since when are our nations finances destroyed?


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    #95
    bb1234567
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    0 deaths in the US state of Massachusetts today for the first time since 21st March.

    The original epicentres of Northeastern USA, Western Europe and North East Asia have handled this extraordinarily well. There is not a peep of another epidemic on the horizon really in the majority of these regions. You would think that the early outbreaks there would have helped the rest of the world prepare but it seems like there is large outbreaks now almost everywhere in the world except these regions with no signs of slowing..on worldometeres so many countries I've hardly even heard of reporting hundreds or even thousands of cases now everyday


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    #96
    fritzelly
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    0 deaths in the US state of Massachusetts today for the first time since 21st March.

    Can you not leave this good news reporting to Kermit?


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    #97
    gizmo23
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    giveitholly wrote: »
    Why do u say another stricter lockdown is inevitable,how can anyone say that?

    I wouldn't be worried about a "stricter" lockdown. Ireland wont lockdown the country again. You get one shot at that and now they will move like most countries are to regional lockdown's with spikes.

    The fact is the country can not afford for an all ireland lockdown again. We also cant afford to suspend other operations further as waiting lists are astronomical even at present for major surgeries.

    People will stamp and shout to lockdown as is the nature of other to stamp and shout to open up... but we got one chance at the whole nation lockdown and while the CMO made drastic mistakes with nursing homes and we should have been quicker on the travel.... we have stemmed a tide with a slow and ease movement through phases.

    We just need people to apply some cop on and common sense.


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    #98
    giveitholly
    Registered Users Posts: 5,546 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    gizmo23 wrote: »
    I wouldn't be worried about a "stricter" lockdown. Ireland wont lockdown the country again. You get one shot at that and now they will move like most countries are to regional lockdown's with spikes.

    The fact is the country can not afford for an all ireland lockdown again. We also cant afford to suspend other operations further as waiting lists are astronomical even at present for major surgeries.

    People will stamp and shout to lockdown as is the nature of other to stamp and shout to open up... but we got one chance at the whole nation lockdown and while the CMO made drastic mistakes with nursing homes and we should have been quicker on the travel.... we have stemmed a tide with a slow and ease movement through phases.

    We just need people to apply some cop on and common sense.

    Oh I agree with you,just can't understand how some posters come out with such statements and don't give a reason for their predictions. They just make some outlandish statements and then disappear


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    #99
    caveat emptor
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    Utopia Parkway wrote: »
    Very interesting article on the same site from two epidemiologists.

    https://twitter.com/ConversationUK/status/1277703232605872132

    Thanks for sharing. I'll check it out. What I like about this website and people may not realise is they provide a little "disclosures" section which lists any relevant vested interests an author may have. Like who pays them. I'm not sure how relevant they are but they are included so might want to triangulate the piece with their interests before taking it as gospel. End of the day someone has to pay the researcher.



    So for the story I posted.
    Disclosure statement

    John Kinnear does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment.

    And for the one you posted.
    Disclosure statement

    Paul Franks receives research funding from Boehringer Ingelheim, Eli Lilly, Janssen, Novo Nordisk A/S, Sanofi Aventis and Servier, has received consulting fees from Eli Lilly, Novo Nordisk and Zoe Global Ltd and has stock options in Zoe Global Ltd. Zoe Global Ltd is the company behind the COVID Symptom Study app.

    Joacim Rocklöv receives funding for research projects from the EU, including Horizon2020, the Swedish research agency Formas, Kempe foundation, and SIDA. He has consultancy projects for the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control and the World Health Organization.


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    #100
    podgeandrodge
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    Misery loves company.


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    #101
    caveat emptor
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    So one of the epidemiologists who has shares in a company which has an app to track symptoms is saying "it's just going away?"
    I can think of one potential conflict of interest. Hear me out and let me know what you think.
    If there was no virus. i.e it was eradicated then there would be no need for that app! Thus the shares would probably be worth nothing.
    If this virus rolls around the globe seasonally the app could be key in fighting it. Thus the shares in company would be very valuable and he'd be a hero.
    I guess that's why they list the disclosures.

    I eagerly await your reply Utopia Parkway.


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    #102
    Blanco100
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Very interesting article from someone without agenda. Well worth a read.

    Speaks of silent lung damage observed. Sums up some of most important things we still don't know yet and why it's best to avoid if possible.




    https://twitter.com/ConversationUK/status/1276815144824209408?s=20

    Thats pretty frightening.

    Always wondered what the long term effects will be on those who suffered milder cases of Covid 19.


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    #103
    Goldengirl
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Just to clarify I'm not in the business of calling nurses names or anything like that, I didn't see any posts calling them names and if there was thats not on, I've family that are nurses, not in the hosptial mentioned on the article so I take/took the article at face value.

    The article suggested it was a recent study it just references in April when the advice was changed. Hence when cases within the healthcare settings among staff are still a relatively high proportion of our daily totals, this article appeared to join the dots.

    If that's not the case as you've cleared up above then the Independent should update the article to reflect it. I moved to reading the indo more myself as I found the times was displaying poor journalism and was quite unbalanced recently. I presume its all for clicks as that's how they'll make money at the moment

    I never said you called anyone names , you are always polite and respectful , even if we do not always agree !
    I think because it was out there, unopposed , unfortunately , it was used by someone elsewhere as stick to beat nurses with ,but that also is not your fault .
    I just wanted to set the record straight .
    I know someone has been on to the Indo to get them to do just that , but I wouldn't hold my breath .
    Probably all the same, but we all have our preferences and I find the Independent very reactionary and soundbite- ish .

    It has been incredibly frustrating for nurses who have been like a voice in the wilderness through all of this .

    The HSE should answer for this and also the whole nursing home debacle , for which they have sidestepped the blame and said " it was all HIQA" !


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    #104
    Plumbthedepths
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    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    We aren't in a better place than March. Our nations finances are destroyed and another stricter lockdown is inevitable.

    Another stricter lockdown won't be happening as you already said our finances are in a poor state and we can't afford to lockdown, (although you repeat that position at least once a day by my reckoning) but we have an ability to borrow so all's not lost.


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    #105
    Cork Boy 53
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    0 deaths in the US state of Massachusetts today for the first time since 21st March.

    Source for this?


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    #106
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Source for this?

    Is it too much like good news?


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    #107
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 85,105 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Been told by a reliable source that vaccine production is to start in Cork in the next few weeks. No idea which vaccine it is but 95% positive this is true.

    I thought some trials started a few weeks back in Galway
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #108
    bb1234567
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    Some unfortunate news, a recent study has shown that asymptomatic carriers generally have few to no detectable antibodies just weeks after infection.

    'Antibody levels also dropped off far more quickly in people who never showed symptoms, and 40 per cent of them had no detectable antibodies eight weeks after recovery, compared with 13 per cent of symptomatic patients.'

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/asymptomatic-covid-19-findings-dim-hopes-for-herd-immunity-and-immunity-passports/ar-BB163A1x

    I dont know much about this, but can you have immunity if your antibodies disappeared, is that possible?


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    #109
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Some unfortunate news, a recent study has shown that asymptomatic carriers generally have few to no detectable antibodies just weeks after infection.

    'Antibody levels also dropped off far more quickly in people who never showed symptoms, and 40 per cent of them had no detectable antibodies eight weeks after recovery, compared with 13 per cent of symptomatic patients.'

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/asymptomatic-covid-19-findings-dim-hopes-for-herd-immunity-and-immunity-passports/ar-BB163A1x

    I dont know much about this, but can you have immunity if your antibodies disappeared, is that possible?

    Antibodies are only a part of it - if you only have a weak infection that's easily bested then obviously you wont have your system swarmed with antibodies - the virus didn't get a chance to take hold
    T Cells is where its at!
    Just more scaremongering - the immune system is hardly understood but it's understood once infected then the antibody response can be quickly replicated to fight it off again.


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    #110
    nocoverart
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    Any news on a Vaccine for Erectile Dysfunction? reading this thread the last few months has me in all sorts of trouble down there.


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    #111
    fritzelly
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    nocoverart wrote: »
    Any news on a Vaccine for Erectile Dysfunction? reading this thread the last few months has me in all sorts of trouble down there.

    Check your spam email :D


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    #112
    leavingirl
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    Arghus wrote: »
    Second episode of the hospital doc on RTE 1 right now.

    That is not a documentary. It is propaganda.


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    #113
    owlbethere
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    Utopia Parkway wrote: »
    Very interesting article on the same site from two epidemiologists.

    https://twitter.com/ConversationUK/status/1277703232605872132

    I don't believe for a minute that the virus will burn out after 20% of the population becoming infected. It's pie in the sky codswallop and that's all it is. Do 20% become infected and 80% who didn't develop an infection suddenly become immune to the virus?

    All this will do is lead people to a false sense of security - 'sure, the virus is dying out' they might think and it will lead to more risks and ultimately more infection spreading.


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    #114
    blade1
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    leavingirl wrote: »
    It is propaganda.

    Haven't seen it but why is it propaganda?


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    #115
    Quantum Erasure
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    Wait, are we on thread 19 already? I missed the grand opening


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    #116
    schmoo2k
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    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    We aren't in a better place than March. Our nations finances are destroyed and another stricter lockdown is inevitable.

    Why is a stricter lockdown inevitable? You probably meant "localised lockdowns"?


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    #117
    schmoo2k
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    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Facts are people won't stand for another lockdown and we don't have the police or army to force it

    I think identified clusters of infected people will willingly self isolate and get tested - you do know tests can be scheduled within a day and results are back in a couple of days?


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    #118
    Jim_Hodge
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    leavingirl wrote: »
    That is not a documentary. It is propaganda.

    Care to explain that nonsense?


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    #119
    pjohnson
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    schmoo2k wrote: »
    I think identified clusters of infected people will willingly self isolate and get tested - you do know tests can be scheduled within a day and results are back in a couple of days?

    Some are too stupid to understand "self isolation" sure they couldn't get to the pub then!


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    #120
    LiquidZeb
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    giveitholly wrote: »
    Oh I agree with you,just can't understand how some posters come out with such statements and don't give a reason for their predictions. They just make some outlandish statements and then disappear

    He's probably gone to stand outside a shop again making sure everyone is observing social distancing.


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    #121
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Source for this?

    Do you've a source for your prediction of a stricter second lockdown?


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