The consequences of buying fish

auspicious · 01-07-2020 2:38am #1

Not only can the purchase of fish change the size of fish remaining, as well as how they reproduce and the speed at which they mature. When too many fish are taken out of the ocean it creates an imbalance that can erode the food web and lead to a loss of other important marine life, including vulnerable species like sea turtles and corals.

Moreover to the concerned person oceanic fishing has a high detrimental effect on biodiversity.
We don't need to eat fish.
These are the consequences , a small reflection of our nutured appetites

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1z6tutUHX2k

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HanAWzR-72A

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-53214863/whale-freed-from-fishing-net-off-italian-coast

Can you countenance this. Hardly I'm sure.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/animals/2006/11/seafood-biodiversity

01-07-2020 2:39am

......ok

You're codding me.

Quantum Erasure · 01-07-2020 2:53am

...that fishy smell that hangs around all day

con747 · 01-07-2020 3:24am

I'll sit on my perch and watch this thread

auspicious · 01-07-2020 3:25am

Unfortunately as FRMI studies display, homo sapiens, us , the further out in time we try to imagine the future, the harder it is to care about it. That is to say it is harder for us to take actions that benefit our future selves both as individuals and as a society. The more we examine the future the less self control we exhibit, we are less likey to make pro-social choices. Choices that will benefit the World going forward.
These videos of the direct detrimental impact of our purchasing should really focus us, and our teaching of the next generation, to neglect the current status quo and countenance a fairer future.

01-07-2020 3:27am

auspicious wrote: »

Unfortunately as FRMI studies display, homo sapiens, us , the further out in time we try to imagine the future, the harder it is to care about it. That is to say it is harder for us to take actions that benefit our future selves both as individuals and as a society. The more we examine the future the less self control we exhibit, we are less likey to make pro-social choices. Choices that will benefit the World going forward.
These videos of the direct detrimental impact of our purchasing should really focus us, and our teaching of the next generation, to neglect the current status quo and countenance a fairer future.

Fish fingers are lovely though.

auspicious · 01-07-2020 3:28am

Deleted User wrote: »

Fish fingers are lovely though.

Please.
Yawn

01-07-2020 3:32am

auspicious wrote: »

Please.
Yawn

Genuinely thought it was a piss take thread.

I am absolutely in awe of you chief if, while the world is metaphorically burning, your issue is fishing.

I'd love that to be one of my concerns at the moment.

auspicious · 01-07-2020 3:52am

Deleted User wrote: »

Genuinely thought it was a piss take thread.

I am absolutely in awe of you chief if, while the world is metaphorically burning, your issue is fishing.

I'd love that to be one of my concerns at the moment.

The world is burning. But in every aspect. It's not just fishing essentially but how we have, this global economic initiative , conducted our societal growth with little recognition to the impact to everything else.
I mean, fishless oceans estimated by 2048 on our current proliferation is unjustifiable.
We need change now in a social context and not pussyfooting on political party goals.

01-07-2020 3:55am

auspicious wrote: »

The world is burning. But in every aspect. It's not just fishing essentially but how we have, this global economic initiative , conducted our societal growth with little recognition to the impact to everything else.
I mean, fishless oceans estimated by 2048 on our current proliferation is unjustifiable.
We need change now in a social context and not pussyfooting on political party goals.

Not being funny mate, but your title on this thread is very misleading.

And also, I do stand by my assertion that fish fingers are delicious

auspicious · 01-07-2020 4:03am

They may be delicious but obviously it's a juvenile statement. Man up and teach the next generation sustainable values.

01-07-2020 4:12am

auspicious wrote: »

They may be delicious but obviously it's a juvenile statement. Man up and teach the next generation sustainable values.

In Dublin we can hunt wild foxes?

Not sure if you saw the news but eating wild meat may have caused a pandemic which has ****ed up the world. Donegal catch and captain Birdseye seem to be blameless.

What do you suggest we do?

auspicious · 01-07-2020 4:22am

We can doesn't mean we should.

"Ecosystems that were losing species were always more fragile, always more vulnerable, always more likely to see a whole collapse of fisheries, more likely to show an increase in toxic events like fish kills and things like that," Worm said.

"Whereas those systems that still had a full portfolio of species or had large species diversity to begin with were more robust, better buffered against change."

But areas managed for improved biodiversity can and do recover, Worm says, raising the possibility that the trend can be reversed if humans take action.

Everywhere they looked, they got the same result: The greater the loss of diversity, the greater the impact on ecosystem services."

We should read more.

Quantum Erasure · 01-07-2020 4:27am

auspicious wrote: »

They may be delicious but obviously it's a juvenile statement. Man up and teach the next generation sustainable values.

give a man a fish....

auspicious · 01-07-2020 4:33am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

give a man a fish....

...and uneducated morals, his greed will undo him.

01-07-2020 4:48am

auspicious wrote: »

We can doesn't mean we should.

"Ecosystems that were losing species were always more fragile, always more vulnerable, always more likely to see a whole collapse of fisheries, more likely to show an increase in toxic events like fish kills and things like that," Worm said.

"Whereas those systems that still had a full portfolio of species or had large species diversity to begin with were more robust, better buffered against change."

But areas managed for improved biodiversity can and do recover, Worm says, raising the possibility that the trend can be reversed if humans take action.

Everywhere they looked, they got the same result: The greater the loss of diversity, the greater the impact on ecosystem services."

We should read more.

Are you a vegan by any chance?

Quantum Erasure · 01-07-2020 4:50am

auspicious wrote: »

...and uneducated morals, his greed will undo him.

you can lead a horse to water....

01-07-2020 4:54am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

you can lead a horse to water....

You can grind up bunnies and badgers to get your grains....

You can **** up the environment by harvesting almond milk...

You can carbon footprint the **** out of yourself to have your avocados on toast

You can have a steak... Oh wait no.

Sac O Spuds · 01-07-2020 5:39am

Its a food source that the human race isn't in total control of. Except for salmon trout and some shellfish farming its largely a wild resource. Fishing is still a form of hunting. Technology has made it easier to catch vast quantities of sealife and that is where the problem is. Replenishing fish stocks is totally natural and out of our control.

01-07-2020 5:43am

I'd still eat fish before I'd milk an almond

tabby aspreme · 01-07-2020 6:30am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In Dublin we can hunt wild foxes?

Not sure if you saw the news but eating wild meat may have caused a pandemic which has ****ed up the world. Donegal catch and captain Birdseye seem to be blameless.

What do you suggest we do?

File your nails in a fileing cabinet

robertpatterson · 01-07-2020 7:44am

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd still eat fish before I'd milk an almond

I can never find their nipples!!

whisky_galore · 01-07-2020 8:18am

auspicious wrote: »

Please.
Yawn

This thread, yawn.

TheValeyard · 01-07-2020 8:23am

I do like monkfish.

kildare lad · 01-07-2020 9:01am

Sac O Spuds wrote: »

Its a food source that the human race isn't in total control of. Except for salmon trout and some shellfish farming its largely a wild resource. Fishing is still a form of hunting. Technology has made it easier to catch vast quantities of sealife and that is where the problem is. Replenishing fish stocks is totally natural and out of our control.

But it is in our control, the more fish we take out of the sea the less fish there'll be in it..The EU need to lower the quotas and give fish time to replenish their stocks. They need to ban super trawlers and add more marine protection zones around our waters. It's disgusting how greedy humans are. The amount of cormorants coming inland over the last few years due to lack of fish in the sea . You know there's something wrong when you see 5 of them on your local canal over the winter.

Snow Garden · 01-07-2020 9:43am

I used to love the annual mackerel migration in Galway. There were so many that you'd catch them with your hands on the prom.
Now the foreign factory ships are hoovering them up and mulching them for catfood or fertiliser. The shoals coming into Galway are so small and the fish themselves are tiny. It's wrong, very wrong. Especially for people living on an island. We can we quite a cowardly nation for all our guff.

Feisar · 01-07-2020 9:47am

Deleted User wrote: »

You can grind up bunnies and badgers to get your grains....

You can **** up the environment by harvesting almond milk...

You can carbon footprint the **** out of yourself to have your avocados on toast

You can have a steak... Oh wait no.

At the end of the day there are just to many of us about.

whisky_galore · 01-07-2020 9:50am

Snow Garden wrote: »

I used to love the annual mackerel migration in Galway. There were so many that you'd catch them with your hands on the prom.
Now the foreign factory ships are hoovering them up and mulching them for catfood or fertiliser. The shoals coming into Galway are so small and the fish themselves are tiny. It's wrong, very wrong. Especially for people living on an island. We can we quite a cowardly nation for all our guff.

Irish marine affairs lumped in, like an afterthought, with Agriculture and now looked after by lad from Offaly.

Hoop66 · 01-07-2020 11:52am

TheValeyard wrote: »

I do like monkfish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imr8WKuqFZo

jam_mac_jam · 01-07-2020 12:55pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

I used to love the annual mackerel migration in Galway. There were so many that you'd catch them with your hands on the prom.
Now the foreign factory ships are hoovering them up and mulching them for catfood or fertiliser. The shoals coming into Galway are so small and the fish themselves are tiny. It's wrong, very wrong. Especially for people living on an island. We can we quite a cowardly nation for all our guff.

That's terrible. Lovely mackerel being wasted.

Thelonious Monk · 01-07-2020 3:56pm

Yeah, I eat fish a few times a week myself, it mostly seems to be haddock or hake. I don't really know what is an acceptable amount to eat, if there is an acceptable amount at all given the state of our oceans. I don't eat tuna any more, and salmon is a disaster, can you even buy wild salmon in Ireland? Farmed salmon and the environmental consequences is scary.
Can you even buy fresh Irish or European prawns? As far as I know there are no prawns in Irish waters, it's a difficult subject to get information on.
What we see in the shops here, and even in these trying to be craft fish shop places like Wrights etc, are big juicy farmed prawns from places like India, Bangladesh, and Nicaragua - where they are destroying ecosystems by farming them. I couldn't possibly eat those either.
It will never happen, but I wish the EU could come together and have some kind of moratorium on fishing for 5 years or so, to let the seas replenish. Pay fishermen or whatever. How they think we can go on as is with the damage dredging and supertrawlers etc are doing is beyond me. They had to do this in Newfoundland because the once extremely plentiful cod was fished into oblivion, and it never recovered.
We are a moronic species.

01-07-2020 4:31pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

I do like monkfish.

Bless you

01-07-2020 4:33pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yeah, I eat fish a few times a week myself, it mostly seems to be haddock or hake. I don't really know what is an acceptable amount to eat, if there is an acceptable amount at all given the state of our oceans. I don't eat tuna any more, and salmon is a disaster, can you even buy wild salmon in Ireland? Farmed salmon and the environmental consequences is scary.
Can you even buy fresh Irish or European prawns? As far as I know there are no prawns in Irish waters, it's a difficult subject to get information on.
What we see in the shops here, and even in these trying to be craft fish shop places like Wrights etc, are big juicy farmed prawns from places like India, Bangladesh, and Nicaragua - where they are destroying ecosystems by farming them. I couldn't possibly eat those either.
It will never happen, but I wish the EU could come together and have some kind of moratorium on fishing for 5 years or so, to let the seas replenish. Pay fishermen or whatever. How they think we can go on as is with the damage dredging and supertrawlers etc are doing is beyond me. They had to do this in Newfoundland because the once extremely plentiful cod was fished into oblivion, and it never recovered.
We are a moronic species.

Yes you can get Irish prawns- not always available and bloody expensive but freshly caught- you can also get frozen ones- I’ve seen them in Howth, Dun Laoghaire and a few other Dublin Fish shops- but prepare to cry when you see the price

01-07-2020 4:36pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

That's terrible. Lovely mackerel being wasted.

We’re not eating enough fish in Ireland to sustain a steady market here- much of our catches are exported to London, France etc who devour fish.

Ultima Thule · 01-07-2020 4:40pm

Dont care, bought lots of fish today, prawns, hake fillets, and breaded cod..
Cant wait for the mackerel season, grab 20+fish at a time. Wont know what to do with it all. Sandwiches and bait probably.

suicide_circus · 01-07-2020 5:03pm

mackerel loves a bbq grill!

Chris_Heilong · 01-07-2020 5:10pm

Complain to the EU and get them to stop fishing in Irish waters if you really care.

Thelonious Monk · 01-07-2020 5:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes you can get Irish prawns- not always available and bloody expensive but freshly caught- you can also get frozen ones- I’ve seen them in Howth, Dun Laoghaire and a few other Dublin Fish shops- but prepare to cry when you see the price

Do you mean the Dublin Bay Prawn or langoustine, which I never see anywhere for sale? They are the only type of prawn in our waters. This article goes into a bit further

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/do-your-homework-on-prawns-before-you-eat-them-1.3113623

Thelonious Monk · 01-07-2020 5:41pm

Ultima Thule wrote: »

Dont care, bought lots of fish today, prawns, hake fillets, and breaded cod..

Why don't you care? Do you never think of where your food comes from and the sustainability of it? I wish more people would.

the_syco · 01-07-2020 5:44pm

auspicious wrote: »

Not only can the purchase of fish change the size of fish remaining

So, what's your alternative?

Gregor Samsa · 01-07-2020 5:45pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Do you mean the Dublin Bay Prawn or langoustine, which I never see anywhere for sale? They are the only type of prawn in our waters.

You can buy there here, caught by the Galway fleet.

https://eatmorefish.ie/product/galway-bay-prawns-medium/

Rene Cusack in Limerick and Ennis sell them too:

http://renecusack.ie/products.php

Thelonious Monk · 01-07-2020 5:49pm

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

You can buy there here, caught by the Galway fleet.

https://eatmorefish.ie/product/galway-bay-prawns-medium/

Rene Cusack in Limerick and Ennis sell them too:

http://renecusack.ie/products.php

I saw that yeah, I'd still be dubious as to where they are from I wonder if they're actually caught in Irish waters. You never see them in normal supermarkets etc though, even in fish speciality shops I've asked and they tell me the prawns are from India and the likes.

markjbloggs · 01-07-2020 5:52pm

auspicious wrote: »

Not only can the purchase of fish change the size of fish remaining, as well as how they reproduce and the speed at which they mature. When too many fish are taken out of the ocean it creates an imbalance that can erode the food web and lead to a loss of other important marine life, including vulnerable species like sea turtles and corals.

Moreover to the concerned person oceanic fishing has a high detrimental effect on biodiversity.
We don't need to eat fish.
These are the consequences , a small reflection of our nutured appetites

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1z6tutUHX2k

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HanAWzR-72A

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-53214863/whale-freed-from-fishing-net-off-italian-coast

Can you countenance this. Hardly I'm sure.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/animals/2006/11/seafood-biodiversity

Do you really think now is a good time to be lecturing people ?

Have we not had enough of Covid, BLM, Greta, MeToo etc ?

Thelonious Monk · 01-07-2020 5:55pm

markjbloggs wrote: »

Do you really think now is a good time to be lecturing people ?

Have we not had enough of Covid, BLM, Greta, MeToo etc ?

Bizarre how pointing out the damage being done to our seas and fish stocks is thought of as some trendy fad, it's worrying

markjbloggs · 01-07-2020 5:58pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Bizarre how pointing out the damage being done to our seas and fish stocks is thought of as some trendy fad, it's worrying

I've been listening to how fish stocks are being decimated for the past 50 years - what I've learned is that nature recovers and that my tolerance for "instruction" on this and other matters is low.

Gregor Samsa · 01-07-2020 5:59pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I saw that yeah, I'd still be dubious as to where they are from I wonder if they're actually caught in Irish waters. You never see them in normal supermarkets etc though, even in fish speciality shops I've asked and they tell me the prawns are from India and the likes.

Well, both sites specifically mention that they're Irish catches. Are Dublin Bay Prawns even found in India? I thought they were north-east atlantic/mediterranean only. Maybe they meant other types of prawns.

Here's another site selling them.
https://sustainableseafood.ie/product/fresh-dublin-bay-prawns/

They specifically mention the boat (Bonne Chance) that lands them in Howth. You can see where it's fishing here

Gregor Samsa · 01-07-2020 6:04pm

markjbloggs wrote: »

I've been listening to how fish stocks are being decimated for the past 50 years - what I've learned is that nature recovers and that my tolerance for "instruction" on this and other matters is low.

Probably nothing to do with the quotas and efforts that have been put into reducing overfishing and allowing stocks to replenish and fishing to become more sustainable with continued, dynamic regulation.

Thelonious Monk · 01-07-2020 6:05pm

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Well, both sites specifically mention that they're Irish catches. Are Dublin Bay Prawns even found in India? I thought they were north-east atlantic/mediterranean only. Maybe they meant other types of prawns.

Here's another site selling them.
https://sustainableseafood.ie/product/fresh-dublin-bay-prawns/

They specifically mention the boat (Bonne Chance) that lands them in Howth. You can see where it's fishing here

I must get some sometime, I live near Howth but last time I asked in Wright's they only had Indian prawns!
I did have langoustines last year in Carlingford, they're cool looking things, like mini lobsters. I think they call them crayfish in the USA, and in New Zealand and Australia they call lobster crayfish, it's all very confusing!

Thelonious Monk · 01-07-2020 6:06pm

I used to fish for mackerel from a boat with just line and feathers when I was a kid in the late 80s/early 90s and they would almost jump into the boat, in Dalkey with my uncle. It's nothing like that these days, you'd be lucky to get anything, we used to pull up 80 or so in a few hours and stock the freezer. I don't think it was people like us doing the damage though, trawlers and dredgers are wrecking the place.

AllForIt · 01-07-2020 6:06pm

Nonsense, there's plenty more fish in the sea.

Actually, I though we should eat more fish not less. I though that was the answer to all the complaints over dairy farming and it's negative environmental consequences. I care less about fish than I do about poor piggys. I mean that, I gave up eating sausages this year and reduced my rasher consumption.

I would eat more fish but it's just so expensive. I though if we were all eat more it would cost less.
Looks like we can't win. Even if we eat insects that would have a negative effect on the environment.

Thelonious Monk · 01-07-2020 6:08pm

AllForIt wrote: »

Nonsense, there's plenty more fish in the sea.

Actually, I though we should eat more fish not less. I though that was the answer to all the complaints over dairy farming and it's negative environmental consequences.. I care less out fish than I do about poor piggys. I mean that, I gave up eating sausages this year and reduced my rasher consumption.

I would eat more fish but it's just so expensive. I though if we were all eat more it would cost less.
Looks like we can't win. Even if we eat insects that would have a negative effect on the environment.

Fish isn't expensive at all. Mackerel and hake is next to nothing, monkfish is expensive but most of them are cheap as chips. Too cheap probably.

The consequences of buying fish

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