Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Spanish Eyes · 30-06-2020 11:19PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why didnt we help the 4.5m that died of starvation this year?

AFAIK we give the guts of a billion euro to third world countries via our obligations.

And we are still feeling the oul Catholic guilt. gwan now.

Ginger n Lemon · 30-06-2020 11:20PM

Arghus wrote: »

I'm not gloating, far from it. I actually feel quite sad. The typical, gleeful, thoughtless responses dismay me. One of the main men in this thread has just made a bit of a - 4 or 5 posts up - joke about "life expectancy" - implying these people who died shouldn't have expected much more life anyway and that sure, what can you do, they were old anyway. And you think I'm the loser here?

The documentary showed quite clearly that the suffering and anguish that we hear everyday about the disease is just about numbers and cases, but real people?

And it is a dangerous and cruel disease, despite how much many in here have constantly sought to play down or explain away.

And your implication that I don't care as much about the suffering of cancer victims is utterly shameful.

Life expectancy is a joke?

Arghus you dismissed a guy for posting excess cancer deaths in 2021 10 posts earlier. Your controversy has been missed here.

pjohnson · 30-06-2020 11:21PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Costing us 500 euro flights and 700 for an apartment for 2 weeks Portugal, 1200 5 adults 1 kid

Wouldnt get a week in Ireland for that

Pints, Food, Entertainment all cheaper.

Great for you. Just dont try whinging about the Irish economy being "lockdown" if you have no plan on actually spending money in any of the "lockdown" businesses.

charlie14 · 30-06-2020 11:21PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

These posters are trolls , fr336 , don't let them get to you .

Neil Ferguson on BBC News Source tonight stated that if UK had locked down like we did when they got their first death they would have " halved the number of deaths " there.
Just so those who have always been raving about him on this thread can acknowledge their hero's words .

Also I am now watching the excellent documentary on the great work done by the staff at St James' hospital .

For those that say that 85% of nurses wear no PPE based on an article in a rag of a newspaper that took the research out of context....
This Audit was done on 27th APRIL .
All nurses wear PPE dealing with patients , even non Covid since May , and maintain distance unless impossible to do so . Prior to that HSE was saying no need to wear a mask in all cases of non Covid , to spare supplies and castigated careful nurses for " wasting PPE" , but nurses insisted that asymptomatic spread was possible ( and they were proven right) and overturned this through constant representation to management and unions .
The nurses in Vincents as far as I am aware have said that the only patients that they don't wear masks for, is if both nurse AND patient are tested negative . All are tested at frequent intervals to prevent any hospital transmission .

I shouldn't need to defend the professionalism of my fellow nurses who have worked their butts off and done an amazingly difficult job through all of this , to some nasty little trolls on social media .
It just shows that some will jump on any bandwagon to try and smear people who basically have given their all .
I don't know why but there is something lacking either emotionally or mentally in these ....whatever they are , because I can't use the only word that describes how I feel about them .

Macho keyboard warriors in the main.

Quite a few here were big time supporter of the Sweden no lockdown strategy but disappeared off that thread when even Sweden`s own data showed how wrong they were.

Then it was whinging about lockdown here.
Now with lockdown being eased, it`s masks or whatever the latest load of bulls*it whinging that makes them feel macho getting high five thanks for.

If we all did exactly what that cohort want and it sent us back to where we were in March, they will just slip away and move on to whinge on another thread about something else.
Empty vessels and noise.

Arghus · 30-06-2020 11:22PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I dont think she was in any state to take part in a choreographed dance tik tok video right then anyway!

Im joking. She was in the countries main dedicated hospital in the most densely populated city trying to treat elderly patients who were suffering with a respitory illness.

She was under immesne pressure caused by an illness introducted to nursing homes by mismanagement.

Her stress and emotion was not caused by people who had no control of those nursing homes or were not involved in them.

Your ability to answer a question with a long stream of unrelated blather is present and correct as always.

fr336 · 30-06-2020 11:22PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So 30,000 unemployed from March to December might get your sympathy? Wow.

Your post seemed more concerned about getting a pint without having a meal with it rather than people's jobs. The pubs are back. With restrictions, naturally. Get used to it.

pjohnson · 30-06-2020 11:22PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Life expectancy is a joke?

Arghus you dismissed a guy for posting excess cancer deaths in 2021 10 posts earlier. Your controversy has been missed here.

Unless you see the future these 2021 cancer deaths are just your latest fetish. Or scaremongering to use your guys favourite word!

dundalkfc10 · 30-06-2020 11:23PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Great for you. Just dont try whinging about the Irish economy being "lockdown" if you have no plan on actually spending money in any of the "lockdown" businesses.

I won't, il continue to save and go on as many sun holidays a year as I can as that's why myself and my family enjoy

fr336 · 30-06-2020 11:24PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Quite a few here were big time supporter of the Sweden no lockdown strategy but disappeared off that thread when even Sweden`s own data showed how wrong they were.

Really? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you! HA

pjohnson · 30-06-2020 11:25PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I won't, il continue to save and go on as many sun holidays a year as I can as that's why myself and my family enjoy

Good for you then not being a hypocrite. Some here were very worried about the Irish economy and possible job losses here in Ireland. So they decided to help the Spanish economy instead.

Ginger n Lemon · 30-06-2020 11:28PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Unless you see the future these 2021 cancer deaths are just your latest fetish. Or scaremongering to use your guys favourite word!

Awww Pj! You think 4 months worth of missed cancer screenings and 6 further months backlog clearing wont result in excess deaths? Bless

pjohnson · 30-06-2020 11:30PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Awww Pj! You think 4 months worth of missed cancer screenings and 6 further months backlog clearing wont result in excess deaths? Bless

Fearmongerer.

FintanMcluskey · 30-06-2020 11:30PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Macho keyboard warriors in the main.

Quite a few here were big time supporter of the Sweden no lockdown strategy but disappeared off that thread when even Sweden`s own data showed how wrong they were.

Then it was whinging about lockdown here.
Now with lockdown being eased, it`s masks or whatever the latest load of bulls*it whinging that makes them feel macho getting high five thanks for.

If we all did exactly what that cohort want and it sent us back to where we were in March, they will just slip away and move on to whinge on another thread about something else.
Empty vessels and noise.

Your responding in agreement to a poster who has used Neil Fergusons models in their argument.

You then referred to those who question the viability of long term restricions as "empty vessels".

This is why this thread will roll on.

Neil Ferguson!!!

dundalkfc10 · 30-06-2020 11:36PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Good for you then not being a hypocrite. Some here were very worried about the Irish economy and possible job losses here in Ireland. So they decided to help the Spanish economy instead.

You think after saving, while paying 1300 rent for a house, screwed in taxes, heating, bills etc from a Govt who don't give a **** I'm going to spend double on a ****e holiday in Kerry or 2 weeks in Portugal you need your head tested

30-06-2020 11:36PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Great for you. Just dont try whinging about the Irish economy being "lockdown" if you have no plan on actually spending money in any of the "lockdown" businesses.

The holiday is only for 2 weeks. All the rest of the time is spent supporting the Irish economy. They are not mutually exclusive

fr336 · 30-06-2020 11:37PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your responding in agreement to a poster who has used Neil Fergusons models in their argument.

You then referred to those who question the viability of long term restricions as "empty vessels".

This is why this thread will roll on.

Neil Ferguson!!!

I'd say Ferguson's models were probably pretty damn sound, hence a Tory government saw fit to go into lockdown (too late but still) and has been exceptionally slow to come out of it. UK was posting over 1000 deaths a day at the peak. Without lockdown who's to say? 1500? 2000? The UK was in so deep that even the prime minister - the prime minister! - ended up in intensive care. That may be bad luck, or they had a very serious problem.

fr336 · 30-06-2020 11:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The holiday is only for 2 weeks. All the rest of the time is spent supporting the Irish economy. They are not mutually exclusive

Surely you'd rather stay in Ireland during her economic hour of need just for one summer in your whole life? I mean, if the economy is going so badly what will happen to it if the population is flying out on holidays abroad at a time like this? Would 2 more weeks of lockdown be okay? I'm confused.

charlie14 · 30-06-2020 11:58PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your responding in agreement to a poster who has used Neil Fergusons models in their argument.

You then referred to those who question the viability of long term restricions as "empty vessels".

This is why this thread will roll on.

Neil Ferguson!!!

I wasn`t responding in agreement to anything.

Just calling it as I see it in relation to quite a few posters on this thread.
On lockdown, even Annika Linde the former Swedish state epidemiologist now admits that it was a mistake not to use lockdown as it would have saved lives and the present state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell has admitted that if he had it do again he would not be as quick as he was to rule it out

charlie14 · 01-07-2020 12:07AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Awww Pj! You think 4 months worth of missed cancer screenings and 6 further months backlog clearing wont result in excess deaths? Bless

Even your heroes in Sweden cancelled all pregnancy screening and carried out only emergency trauma and cancer operations.

I`m not criticising them for that. They recognised a reality you appear to have failed too. Covid-19 patients and those with suppressed immunity should be nowhere near each other.

Arghus · 01-07-2020 12:15AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Even your heroes in Sweden cancelled all pregnancy screening and carried out only emergency trauma and cancer operations.

I`m not criticising them for that. They recognised a reality you appear to have failed too. Covid-19 patients and those with suppressed immunity should be nowhere near each other.

Deflection incoming....

Goldengirl · 01-07-2020 12:16AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Thats some pontificating tripe anyway

What is? Your post ? Yes .
Who cares whether you watch something relevant before you come on here to spout offensive and ignorant comments ?
Anybody who doesn't want to watch a bit of realism, fine , some are more squeamish than others , I understand that .
But somebody who then rails against old people dying alone when you have repeated over and over again on this thread about how it's only the old who have lived past their lifespan that are dying ...its uncomfortable when you can see the "old people" as personalities, with families and lives , isn't it ? Also you don't se the nurses doing their best to make sure noone is alone , even if their families are not able to be with them .
Yes I can see why you and some others might not be able to watch it alright , after all the " tripe " and pontificating you have been going on with yourself .

TaurenDruid · 01-07-2020 12:25AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

20th of July is when you can enjoy a pint in a pub without needing to buy food.

Pubs serving alcohol will be shut for 4 full months to 20th July. 2 months and 2 weeks after we flattened the curve.

Let that sink in.

I'd a lovely pint tonight in my work local. There of them, in fact, and a Jemmy & ginger. It was great.

charlie14 · 01-07-2020 12:29AM

Arghus wrote: »

Deflection incoming....

That would not be a major surprise

Goldengirl · 01-07-2020 12:32AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Do you realise medical staff do this day in, day out as part of their job. They’re amazing and I’ve huge respect for them. Saw parts of it, it seemed to show vulnerable people to Covid and how they were affected + their care at hospitals from what I saw? I also saw plenty of healthy medical staff going around the wards thank God.
I’m very uncomfortable with the idea that patients who are severely ill were filmed on camera for national television, be if for Covid, Cancer, or anything else. Personally, I don’t think it’s right.
Incidentally, if they make a similar documentary about cancer will you be watching it?
I think it’s quite disturbing that posters such as yourself would use a documentary such as that, as a tool to gloat with here, very sad.

I agree with your post in part , and yes it is uncomfortable. Uncomfortable to watch particularly.
However family and patients gave their permission and some requested in particular that their clips were used , because they wanted people out in the world to sed the effects of this horrible disease , and faces and people were blocked out discreetly with no loss of dignity .
Nobody is gloating over this but it is disingenuous of you to say that this documentary is being " used as a tool" .
This is powerful documentary showing exactly what has happened in this pandemic . Similar have been filmed and shown from Italy and France , Iran and UK ,but because it is Ireland we shouldn't be showing it.
As I said I can understand people being squeamish, but not wanting to watch something because you are being more sensitive for the patients than their families ,themselves or the nurses , I don't believe that , Cruel Summer

greensheep777 · 01-07-2020 12:36AM

Some metrics from this year:

https://www.worldometers.info/

- 243,009 Seasonal flu deaths this year
- 154,087 Deaths of mothers during birth this year
- 838,045 Deaths caused by HIV/AIDS this year
- 488,991 Deaths caused by malaria this year
- 534,588 Suicides this year
- 672,953 Road traffic accident fatalities this year
- 2,492,137 Deaths caused by smoking this year
- 1,246,855 Deaths caused by alcohol this year

Where are all the lockdowns for these? Why are we still allowed to buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, get pregnant, have sex, drive a car, buy something with which we may kill ourselves?

Oh, of course. Only coronavirus deaths matter. The rest are ignored. It's not that we want to prevent deaths - just deaths from this one specific virus. If you drink, smoke or hang yourself to death with the stress of it all, so what, you're one of many. I wonder what would happen if Dr Hoolahoop was reporting the numbers of cases and deaths for all of the above every day.

TaurenDruid · 01-07-2020 12:46AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hate to break it to you - you're going to die.

Best to get on with enjoying life while you're still alive.

Turn off George Lee and Dr Tony and go out and live.

Oh, I know I'm going to die.

When I do, it'll hopefully be with a clear conscience, knowing I didn't pass covid on to anyone cos I couldn't be arsed wearing a mask for 40 minutes on the bus.

In the meantime, I live just fine. Out for regular walks and runs. Chats with friends, in real life and online. Was in the pub tonight, with some. Great craic, really missed it. But missing it was worth it for the greater good, so that's what we did.

fr336 · 01-07-2020 12:47AM

greensheep777 wrote: »

Some metrics from this year:

https://www.worldometers.info/

- 243,009 Seasonal flu deaths this year
- 154,087 Deaths of mothers during birth this year
- 838,045 Deaths caused by HIV/AIDS this year
- 488,991 Deaths caused by malaria this year
- 534,588 Suicides this year
- 672,953 Road traffic accident fatalities this year
- 2,492,137 Deaths caused by smoking this year
- 1,246,855 Deaths caused by alcohol this year

Where are all the lockdowns for these? Why are we still allowed to buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, get pregnant, have sex, drive a car, buy something with which we may kill ourselves?

Oh, of course. Only coronavirus deaths matter. The rest are ignored. It's not that we want to prevent deaths - just deaths from this one specific virus. If you drink, smoke or hang yourself to death with the stress of it all, so what, you're one of many. I wonder what would happen if Dr Hoolahoop was reporting the numbers of cases and deaths for all of the above every day.

Can you seriously not tell the difference between everyday dangers we are all used to and try to prevent as much as we can and a brand new virus which spreads easily, can kill many people and leave many of the "lucky" ones with permanent damage? We are all going to die one day, strangely I've come to terms with this. People die every day, I'm aware of this. But this happens in isolation, and as a society we are constantly looking at ways to mitigate it. To give just one exmaple, we have a flu jab preventing many, many deaths. The deaths that do occur in life are no less sad than Covid deaths but are in more isolation - some families will have to deal with them at different times of year, rather than tens of thousands in the course of a few months. How many deaths would make you concerned? 50,000? 100,000? I mean people die all the time right? Why let's not have a world war or something? People die all the time anyway, and we need a rewriting of the international status quo, why not eh?

With phrases like Dr Hoolahoop I can smell your faux concern for other health issues a mile off.

TaurenDruid · 01-07-2020 12:51AM

greensheep777 wrote: »

Some metrics from this year:

https://www.worldometers.info/

- 243,009 Seasonal flu deaths this year
- 154,087 Deaths of mothers during birth this year
- 838,045 Deaths caused by HIV/AIDS this year
- 488,991 Deaths caused by malaria this year
- 534,588 Suicides this year
- 672,953 Road traffic accident fatalities this year
- 2,492,137 Deaths caused by smoking this year
- 1,246,855 Deaths caused by alcohol this year

Where are all the lockdowns for these? Why are we still allowed to buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, get pregnant, have sex, drive a car, buy something with which we may kill ourselves?

Oh, of course. Only coronavirus deaths matter. The rest are ignored. It's not that we want to prevent deaths - just deaths from this one specific virus. If you drink, smoke or hang yourself to death with the stress of it all, so what, you're one of many. I wonder what would happen if Dr Hoolahoop was reporting the numbers of cases and deaths for all of the above every day.

A flu vaccine is available. Many millions use it every year. Investment in contraception and sex education that is based on abstinence is proven to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, but a certain church lobbies to prevent them from being widely available. Millions is invested in anti-malaria programs, suicide awareness, addiction programmes, etc. Smoking, alcohol, driving are all highly regulated in developed countries. None of the issues you highlight are "ignored". None.

greensheep777 · 01-07-2020 12:52AM

fr336 wrote: »

Can you seriously not tell the difference between everyday dangers we are all used to and try to prevent as much as we can and a brand new virus which spreads easily, can kill many people and leave many of the "lucky" ones with permanent damage?

What about the HIV crisis? Why was there no lockdown then?

fr336 wrote: »

To give just one exmaple, we have a flu jab preventing many, many deaths. The deaths that do occur in life are no less sad than Covid deaths but are in more isolation

The flu jab is not 100% accurate. Far from it. People die of flu all year, every year. But apparently they're just not tragic enough. The flu spreads easily too. But it's old news. Coronavirus is new, and great for the virtue signallers.

I hope you intend to socially distance and avoid travel for the rest of your life - or do you only care about not infecting others when it's just this one particular virus?

greensheep777 · 01-07-2020 12:55AM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

A flu vaccine is available. Many millions use it every year. Investment in contraception and sex education that is based on abstinence is proven to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, but a certain church lobbies to prevent them from being widely available. Millions is invested in anti-malaria programs, suicide awareness, addiction programmes, etc. Smoking, alcohol, driving are all highly regulated in developed countries. None of the issues you highlight are "ignored". None.

Where's the lockdown for all these deaths? Surely we'd have far less HIV if we were all permanently forced to stay 2m apart from each other?
We'd also have a lot less road traffic deaths if we weren't allowed drive.

But those things are acceptable risks, and apparently coronavirus isn't.

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