Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

When people post "I agree with masks and dont mind wearing them" have you actually wore one for more than 10 mins in enclosed space? I felt horrible 15 mins in a barbers with door opened to the street for some more fresh air other than air con. It is genuinely not easy to breath. I wont mention the ludicrous look...

Yes, I have. I wear them or a shield daily in work because it's a requirement in my job currently.

They're slightly uncomfortable at worst. It's not easy to breathe for a few wears, then you get used to it.

It's not difficult at all to wear them.

fr336 wrote: »

I wish more people were working here in England as they should be on a weekday. Instead they are cramming the shops, streets and when a bit of sun is out the beaches.

I wish more people were working in Ireland too. Rumor has it 45,000 construction workers still sit at home 350 eurs per week. Leo said there is something wrong there.

You dont say...

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/we-need-a-plan-for-foreign-travel-and-it-has-to-come-from-our-government-not-through-medical-briefings-39328877.html

This article is far too late after the constant media onslaught and fear mongering but better late than never.

Deleted User wrote: »

Arizona, Georgia, Florida, Iran, Brazil....

Surely you're not presenting that as your definitive proof? Did you see that on CNN?

Also good news from Beaumont and RCSI today .
In the Irish Times, a study by Prof G McElvaney and Prof G Curley has found a protein necessary in the inflammatory process can prevent the severe inflammatory process that fills patients' lungs full of fluid , and they have published this research and are starting a double blind trial of future patients to test the treatment...Alpha One Antitrypsin .

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

On RTE?!? wow. Didnt see that one coming. Watch out for Brazilian hospitals during covid, coming out on RTE in August.

Yes, and George Lee has an excellent documentary coming out in October investigating the explosion of tumbleweed in Ireland and it's dire negative impact on local species. Promises to be a cracker.

Arghus wrote: »

Anyone been watching the documentaries about the ICU ward of St. James over the last two days?

Ignorance is bliss I guess lads, right?

Ya sad to see those patients die alone. But they didnt die alone because of Covid, they died alone because of the response to Covid which restricted peoples movements.

On the same hand, 20 million souls have passed this year and stick a camera in front of anybody passing on will be sad.

TBH honest its fairly undignified to stick a camera in front of someone dying and did remind me of the late late show.

Ignorance eh??

I wonder will the middle aged women who will die of cancer through the cancellation of cancer screening for months get a documentary?

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ya sad to see those patients die alone. But they didnt die alone because of Covid, they died alone because of the response to Covid which restricted peoples movements.

On the same hand, 20 million souls have passed this year and stick a camera in front of anybody passing on will be sad.

TBH honest its fairly undignified to stick a camera in front of someone dying and did remind me of the late late show.

Ignorance eh??

I wonder will the middle aged women who will die of cancer through the cancellation of cancer screening for months get a documentary?

Well I think we all know the answer to that Fintan, irrespective of what "side" you're on. And that pretty much says everything for me.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ya sad to see those patients die alone. But they didnt die alone because of Covid, they died alone because of the response to Covid which restricted peoples movements.

On the same hand, 20 million souls have passed this year and stick a camera in front of anybody passing on will be sad.

TBH honest its fairly undignified to stick a camera in front of someone dying and did remind me of the late late show.

Ignorance eh??

I wonder will the middle aged women who will die of cancer through the cancellation of cancer screening for months get a documentary?

Your opinion is worthless without having watched the programme.

Arghus wrote: »

Your opinion is worthless without having watched the programme.

I dont think excess cancer deaths in 2021 is an opinion. Its something that will highly likely happen.

Shocking how you dismiss OP.

Deleted User wrote: »

No I looked at the data. The US state of Georgia have had over 11,000 hospitalisations with COVID, roughly 1 in 7 cases. They currently have about 2000 new cases every day. 1500 people under the age of 50 have been admitted to hospital. What have they and similar states and countries done that we have not? Why are these places now talking about increasing restrictions not reducing them?

You can't pretend to present this as definitive proof that lockdown in Ireland prevented thousands upon thousands of deaths. As I said, there is no proof.

spockety wrote: »

What does it say?

It basically clarifies that NPHET are not the Government and that it is the Government and the DFA that decide Ireland’s travel arrangements. Currently as it stands, the Government advise against non-essential travel. But it is not forbidden.
It also goes into detail as to why is it not a good approach for Dr Tony to use his daily medical briefings to determine the Government policy on travel. Here is the article:

“IT IS time for someone to step in and implement a coherent, planned strategy for return to travel.
Lately, heads have been left spinning in Ireland from a merry-go-round of medical advice.

From as far back as the days of the Black Death, pulling up the drawbridge has been a typical reaction to the approach of plague.

But when do you let the drawbridge back down again?

That decision has always been more difficult.

There is no prohibition on travel but there is ample confusion.

If we can be clear on one thing, the Government policy is against non-essential travel.

This is not a ban on all foreign travel and it is important to note the difference.

The advice from the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet), therefore, is not in keeping with Government policy.

Individuals need explicit guidelines on where is safe to go to and where is not. Once they have the appropriate information, they will then be in a position to make a balanced decision.

It needs a strong Government message to make such decisions, and the communication needs to come not through medical briefings, but through a minister.

This is not business as usual, or even business as unusual, but it is business all the same.

Today sees the effective reopening of air travel to and from Ireland.

Ryanair are putting 40pc of their fleet back in the sky.

There are 80 departures scheduled from Dublin airport. This is a respectable amount, although well short of the 250-plus we could expect at this time in a normal year.

Shannon and Cork, confined to one and two routes respectively during the worst of the lockdown, are opening at about 25pc capacity. Knock, which had closed entirely, is just happy to be open.

Load factors are higher on some routes than others. Ryanair reports 80pc on some services. One existing Aer Lingus route has been running at a particularly high load factor already.

The airports are learning how to deal with social distancing, or the the closest to social distancing that their spatial requirements allow. Passengers are learning about contactless check-in, wearing masks and boarding in small groups.

But the biggest learning curve of all is the one we face as a nation and as an economy: How are we going to return to international travel without importing an unwanted and unseen stowaway?

Over the past few days it is not clear who exactly is deciding this strategy.

The European Commission has a policy in place. This guided the aviation policy.

Many people who read and heard Nphet’s call for people to cancel holidays already booked, think this has overtaken national policy.

But it has not.

We are used to having our travel policy set out by the Department of Foreign Affairs and the appropriate minsters and ambassadors in affected countries, but not on the basis of the doctor’s diagnoses at a press conference.

Like much of the infrastructure of travel, that system, with its careful checks and balances, has fallen apart.

Instead, as a caretaker Governmental created something of a vacuum in politics, we have what passes as international travel policy being promulgated by health officials at media events.


These health officials and doctors are doing their job. Nothing more, nothing less.

Their goal, which they will relentlessly pursue, is to arrive at zero cases and zero risk.

They have identified and rightly raised their concerns over infections brought to the country by returning travellers, mainly from non-tourism destinations.


But the reality of incoming infections is going to be with us in the long term and will have to be confronted sooner or later.

This is something the Government must engage with, not Nphet.

Nphet is also not charged with taking on board considerations like the fact that 75pc of tourism income is visitor spending, and that a lengthy quarantine sends a message to the world that Ireland is closed for business.

Future bookings for Ireland over the next nine months are being diverted to countries that are perceived as "open for business" — even though some of them have worse infection rates than Ireland.

Even the family holiday, a discretionary and recreational aspect of tourism, has been targeted.

This is a large investment by Irish families.

If they cancel these, they will not receive any compensation.

If the period of restored flights is to be replaced by a period of mass cancellations, where does that leave us?

The business of aviation and connectivity is complex.

There are inbound and outbound systems that are carefully balanced and driven by supply-and-demand requirements.

Right now, big decisions must be made by households of people who are overcome by confusion and fear.

When you start tinkering with one part of the engine, it can be shocking to see how many other parts fail.

International travel is vital to a country like Ireland, positioned as an open economy dependent on movement of people and investment without borders.

We are confronted with a long list of problems and we need to know where we are going.”