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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #6932
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    TBH I think all this flip flapping about foreign travel is just flying a kite to see what the response of the public is before they make any firm decisions. I heard on some radio station this morning that polls suggest up to 80% of people here are in favour of staying at home and not travelling. I have no source, sorry just what I heard.

    Unfortunately there's a lot of Karen's that panic-canceled their holidays and begrudge anyone else jetting away for a couple of weeks.


  • #6933
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Well I mean people have to risk asses the chances of contracting the virus them and their families have, vs money they have Already spent but won’t get a non essential experience for.

    Prisoners get the essentials. For the rest of us it is the non-essentials that make life worth living.


  • #6934
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    skelly22 wrote: »
    Holohan would indeed appear to be an absolute wolf in sheep's clothing. I never knew that someone with so little apparent authority could have such an Authoritarian impact.

    He has history. He also seems to have quite a lot of authority that isn't in the job spec.


  • #6935
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    so why do Google , Facebook, State Street etc all have huge HQ here in Ireland which attracts thousands of workers from all over the world? I'm not saying the cost of living here is cheap, its not, but these people wouldn't come to Ireland for some of these very well paid jobs unless they had done their maths!

    Poorest qualities of life?? People have been paid €350 per week, every week since March 22nd to stay at home! Very few Governments have been this generous to their citizens, many of them just students earning €120 for a bit of weekend work! Why are the Eastern Europeans and Romanians working and living here in their tens of thousands, getting Irish citizenship and deciding to make Ireland their forever home?


    Yeah except the UK is paying an awful lot more for it's labour force. 80% of salary up to £2500. Only 350 X 4 = e1400. Thats a bit of a difference. Can't believe the tories are actually looking out for the middle class on this one compared to us.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2020/jun/30/global-markets-best-quarter-in-a-decade-china-factories-uk-economy-gdp-business-live?page=with:block-5efb0acc8f0800c87646d14f#block-5efb0acc8f0800c87646d14f


  • #6936
    GocRh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭GocRh


    While Mr. Holohan wants Irish people to stay in Ireland, the HSE can't even be arsed to do a proper job of ensuring social distancing requirements in our hospitals.

    Vast majority of cases are from a hospital setting, according to NPHET's own data - far larger than travel and you don't see Holohan making a big deal of it!

    Meanwhile in St. Vincent's hospital:

    'Carried out in St Vincent's public hospital, it found that compliance with wearing face masks was as low as 14pc.
    When asked if they were following the two-metre physical distancing rule, only 31.4pc of staff said they were complying.'

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/just-one-in-seven-staff-wearing-face-masks-at-hospital-39327208.html


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  • #6937
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Unfortunately there's a lot of Karen's that panic-canceled their holidays and begrudge anyone else jetting away for a couple of weeks.

    A lot of sensible people cancelled/pushed out their holidays but a few selfish people continue to want to go abroad.


  • #6938
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    polesheep wrote: »
    Prisoners get the essentials. For the rest of us it is the non-essentials that make life worth living.

    Holidaying abroad during a pandemic is NOT essential.


  • #6939
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,886 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    GocRh wrote: »
    While Mr. Holohan wants Irish people to stay in Ireland, the HSE can't even be arsed to do a proper job of ensuring social distancing requirements in our hospitals.

    Vast majority of cases are from a hospital setting, according to NPHET's own data - far larger than travel and you don't see Holohan making a big deal of it!

    Meanwhile in St. Vincent's hospital:

    'Carried out in St Vincent's public hospital, it found that compliance with wearing face masks was as low as 14pc.
    When asked if they were following the two-metre physical distancing rule, only 31.4pc of staff said they were complying.'

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/just-one-in-seven-staff-wearing-face-masks-at-hospital-39327208.html

    Didnt notice that at all, I have been in and out of hospitals for last 6 weeks. Very strict, most not allowed to see patients, face mask.a must for all.


  • #6940
    GocRh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭GocRh


    tom1ie wrote: »
    A lot of sensible people cancelled/pushed out their holidays but a few selfish people continue to want to go abroad.


    Is visiting family abroad also selfish?


    Not everyone is heading abroad to soak up the sun. Many Irish have emigrated and likewise many people immigrated to Ireland.
    Being able to visit family that live in a safe country, while taking all necessary precautions is not a luxury nor a holiday.


  • #6941
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Unfortunately there's a lot of Karen's that panic-canceled their holidays and begrudge anyone else jetting away for a couple of weeks.

    Karens be crazy.

    https://twitter.com/somethingwitty_/status/1277830411356340224?s=20


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  • #6942
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    tom1ie wrote: »
    A lot of sensible people cancelled/pushed out their holidays but a few selfish people continue to want to go abroad.
    tom1ie wrote: »
    Holidaying abroad during a pandemic is NOT essential.

    PM me your addresses and I'll be sure to send ye a postcard.


  • #6943
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Holidaying abroad during a pandemic is NOT essential.
    Umm the poster didn't say it was essential? They're making the point that for them the non-essentials, like a holiday, are where they get enjoyment.


  • #6944
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭quokula


    GocRh wrote: »
    Is visiting family abroad also selfish?


    Not everyone is heading abroad to soak up the sun. Many Irish have emigrated and likewise many people immigrated to Ireland.
    Being able to visit family that live in a safe country, while taking all necessary precautions is not a luxury nor a holiday.

    This is why it would be wrong for the government to force flights to be cancelled, and why it is right for them to do everything they can to discourage people from taking holidays.


  • #6945
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    Holohan is doing two things when he spouts out these daily utterances - 1. continued distraction from the mess they made of PPE for health care workers and nursing homes 2. trying to deter as many people as possible from flying knowing full well the EU is opening up in a few weeks and there's nothing they can do then - at which point however, it will be too late for many to book anything before September and the schools are (hopefully) back.


  • #6946
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    You think some people can just afford to lose potentially a few thousand if its taken months or years to save for ?

    Like i said if theres flexibility then great they can change to next year. If not your stuck and some cant afford to lose a large sum of money but I do accept your point its just not as straight forward

    But thats not correct.

    The money is 'spent' one way or another if you can't get a refund, so there is no extra financial loss to not going.

    You don't get two weeks drinking sangria in the sun, but financially you are no worse off...see 'Sunk Cost Fallacy'


  • #6947
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Benimar wrote: »
    But thats not correct.

    The money is 'spent' one way or another if you can't get a refund, so there is no extra financial loss to not going.

    You don't get two weeks drinking sangria in the sun, but financially you are no worse off...see 'Sunk Cost Fallacy'

    That is voo doo economics.


  • #6948
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    That is voo doo economics.

    Its actually basic accounting.


  • #6949
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭quokula


    Benimar wrote: »
    But thats not correct.

    The money is 'spent' one way or another if you can't get a refund, so there is no extra financial loss to not going.

    You don't get two weeks drinking sangria in the sun, but financially you are no worse off...see 'Sunk Cost Fallacy'

    Yeah it always amazes how often people say they've "lost money" when they haven't, they already spent the money and they're losing the thing they purchased. In fact they're most likely saving money on all the in-holiday expenses that would have occurred.

    I know that's not a huge consolation but it is a significant difference. If you paid for a holiday already then by definition that money is already gone and you already decided you could afford to lose it.

    Personally I lost out on some flights I had paid for but I was able to live with it, people who've been trapped in nursing homes or who've lost family members have lost a lot more than I have.


  • #6950
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    manniot2 wrote: »
    Holohan is doing two things when he spouts out these daily utterances - 1. continued distraction from the mess they made of PPE for health care workers and nursing homes 2. trying to deter as many people as possible from flying knowing full well the EU is opening up in a few weeks and there's nothing they can do then - at which point however, it will be too late for many to book anything before September and the schools are (hopefully) back.
    1. None of that was his fault. HIQA, NHI, care homes themselves and the HSE are all at fault - so take your pick. As for PPE, that's the HSE but there is not a whole lot you can do when it's in very short supply and there is huge global competition for it.


  • #6951
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Ive listened to very odd Justifications for relaxing restrictions from people who have contradicting statements.

    I know people personally who want a Relaxation of Restrictions . Pubs , Restaurants, Shops and Services, Travel and Tourism restrictions lifted but at the same time are putting up arguments themselves on why they shouldn't have to return to the office and continue working from Home.

    Very Odd.


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  • #6952
    skelly22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭skelly22


    tom1ie wrote: »
    A lot of sensible people cancelled/pushed out their holidays but a few selfish people continue to want to go abroad.

    My wife needs to get to see her sick father in Spain urgently. What's selfish about that?


  • #6953
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Benimar wrote: »
    Its actually basic accounting.

    So someone pays 2000 for a foreign family holiday that they lose. They would also have spent about 1500 (conservatively) on spending money.

    They still want a family holiday so book something in Ireland for the same two weeks - this holiday costs them 2000 also plus an additional 2000 on spending (very conservative).

    Foreign holiday - 2000
    Irish holiday - 2000
    Spending 2000 (500 more than a foreign holiday)
    Total - 6000

    Additional cost - 2,500


  • #6954
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    is_that_so wrote: »
    1. None of that was his fault. HIQA, NHI, care homes themselves and the HSE are all at fault - so take your pick. As for PPE, that's the HSE but there is not a whole lot you can do when it's in very short supply and there is huge global competition for it.

    He is head of the emergency response team (NPHET). He does not completely dodge the blame.


  • #6955
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,673 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Here's the details of one of those imported C19 clusters from travel....

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/up-to-14-members-of-the-same-iraqi-family-at-centre-of-covid-cluster-in-sligo-1008362.html


  • #6956
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    Ive listened to very odd Justifications for relaxing restrictions from people who have contradicting statements.

    I know people personally who want a Relaxation of Restrictions . Pubs , Restaurants, Shops and Services, Travel and Tourism restrictions lifted but at the same time are putting up arguments themselves on why they shouldn't have to return to the office and continue working from Home.

    Very Odd.

    I think there should be a managed reopening. I would much prefer to be back in the office but I realise there are health and safety issues (as applies to other workplaces) and to free space on public transport so happy to stay at home working on those terms.


  • #6957
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    skelly22 wrote: »
    My wife needs to get to see her sick father in Spain urgently. What's selfish about that?

    The selfish part is that poster not wanting her to go.


  • #6958
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    So someone pays 2000 for a foreign family holiday that they lose. They would also have spent about 1500 (conservatively) on spending money.

    They still want a family holiday so book something in Ireland for the same two weeks - this holiday costs them 2000 also plus an additional 2000 on spending (very conservative).

    Foreign holiday - 2000
    Irish holiday - 2000
    Spending 2000 (500 more than a foreign holiday)
    Total - 6000

    Additional cost - 2,500

    You are comparing apples and oranges.

    Cost of foreign holiday if you go - €2,000
    Cost of foreign holiday if you don't go - €2,000
    Difference - Zero

    Of course if you book something else there will be an additional cost, but in a straight choice between getting on the flight and not getting on the flight, there is no financial difference.


  • #6959
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Benimar wrote: »
    You are comparing apples and oranges.

    Cost of foreign holiday if you go - €2,000
    Cost of foreign holiday if you don't go - €2,000
    Difference - Zero

    Of course if you book something else there will be an additional cost, but in a straight choice between getting on the flight and not getting on the flight, there is no financial difference.

    I am comparing two week holidays and quite generous to the Irish costs. One is a substitute for the other. Or are you saying people do not go on holiday?


  • #6960
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    PM me your addresses and I'll be sure to send ye a postcard.

    Your grand thanks.


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  • #6961
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    That is voo doo economics.

    It’s a factual remark.


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