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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #6902
    Irish Aris
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 7,394 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    Foe the people who work in Offices, When are they back in Office?

    Our HR has advised no earlier than September, and even then prioritise the people/teams that really need to be in the office/use the facilities. We are a big office, around 150 people.
    I work in Finance and part of a global team (my manager is in US), so I don't expect to be in before November.

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  • #6903
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,673 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    GocRh wrote: »
    There isn't, and the NPHET don't want anyone traveling abroad for the rest of the year. So don't expect anything sensible from Holohan.

    Travel Agents are asking for flights to be cancelled.

    Govt. still quiet.

    It's all over the place at the moment.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/call-for-government-to-cancel-flights-follows-holohan-s-foreign-travel-comments-1.4292494

    There is high risk that cancelling Irish flights will also bring the virus in to the country in a serious, uncontrolled manner, similar to what happened in China. Many people will just fly from Belfast. There will be no government record in Ireland of them on a flight and no requirement for them to quarantine on return.


  • #6904
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Benimar wrote: »
    There was a well known local Travel Agent on the radio in Waterford (been in the business years and would be trusted) and he says that a large proportion of his customers aren't travelling this year and are re-arranging to go in 2021 instead.

    To use his own word, people are being 'sensible' about it.

    All well and good if theres flexibility but some don't have that choice, its paid up and its go or lose the lot


  • #6905
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Irish Aris wrote: »
    Our HR has advised no earlier than September, and even then prioritise the people/teams that really need to be in the office/use the facilities. We are a big office, around 150 people.
    I work in Finance and part of a global team (my manager is in US), so I don't expect to be in before November.

    we started our phased return into the office yesterday, 30% of capacity for 3 weeks, raising to 50% 20th July.

    500 odd in the building


  • #6906
    Naos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Naos


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    For some people life is great.
    For others less so. If life was so great then why did a good chunk of the population want to elect a left wing Government.

    Because they want a free house and free healthcare and free...


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  • #6907
    deckie66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭deckie66


    Big change coming tomorrow (July 1)

    Ryanair moves from a nominal number of flights for the past three months to 53 departures from Dublin tomorrow


  • #6908
    Naos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Naos


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    we started our phased return into the office yesterday, 30% of capacity for 3 weeks, raising to 50% 20th July.

    500 odd in the building

    Out of curiosity, what has the reaction been within your company?

    Do people want to return to the office or was there a preference for WFH?


  • #6909
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    deckie66 wrote: »
    Big change coming tomorrow (July 1)

    Ryanair moves from a nominal number of flights for the past three months to 53 departures from Dublin tomorrow

    And not just Ryanair. Dublin is looking not as busy as usual tomorrow but busy enough with departures throughout the day and alot of early morning flights back


  • #6910
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Naos wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, what has the reaction been within your company?

    Do people want to return to the office or was there a preference for WFH?

    No preference either way really, if you want to keep working from home and do a few days in the office and a few from home its grand, always was grand but just wasn't availed of to any great extent.

    There's a few that want to keep working from home at the moment and thats not a problem and there's some that want to come back in and again not a problem so long as its phased at the moment.

    For example I went in yesterday and I'm at home today and tomorrow


  • #6911
    Bot1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Bot1


    Where is the evidence that cases are increasing as a result of family going on foreign holidays? Genuinely interested in seeing it.

    In the newspaper there is one mention of a cluster as a result of travel from Iraq.

    Hardly a holiday destination!


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  • #6912
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    All well and good if theres flexibility but some don't have that choice, its paid up and its go or lose the lot

    So lose it.
    Health and safety is more important.
    Not bringing the virus back with you is more important.


  • #6913
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,673 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Bot1 wrote: »
    Where is the evidence that cases are increasing as a result of family going on foreign holidays? Genuinely interested in seeing it.

    In the newspaper there is one mention of a cluster as a result of travel from Iraq.

    Hardly a holiday destination!

    A few countries were mentioned; USA, Sweden, Iraq, U.K. Brazil and Portugal. There may have been more but those spring to mind. Irish people are barred entry to the USA


  • #6914
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Bot1 wrote: »
    Where is the evidence that cases are increasing as a result of family going on foreign holidays? Genuinely interested in seeing it.

    In the newspaper there is one mention of a cluster as a result of travel from Iraq.

    Hardly a holiday destination!

    There isn't at the moment, the travel cases were also from India and Bangladesh amongst others.

    Now some were from the US and UK but to brand cases from Iraq, India and Bangladesh as a reason to try and stop people going on holidays is out of context.

    They need to stop lumping everything in under the travel heading and break down the data.

    Seeing x amount of cases related to travel will always look bad but if you actually see where they're coming from it brings context.


  • #6915
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    faceman wrote: »
    A few countries were mentioned; USA, Sweden, Iraq, U.K. Brazil and Portugal. There may have been more but those spring to mind. Irish people are barred entry to the USA

    think that covers it and some there with no direct flights to Ireland.

    When reporting travel cases some context is needed instead of just reporting x number of travel cases when it turns out 6 are from Iraq


  • #6916
    Bot1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Bot1


    faceman wrote: »
    A few countries were mentioned; USA, Sweden, Iraq, U.K. Brazil and Portugal. There may have been more but those spring to mind. Irish people are barred entry to the USA

    All countries which have been identified as having long-standing issues with containment (except Portugal maybe?)

    So why can't we just bar travel to those particular countries?


  • #6917
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    tom1ie wrote: »
    So lose it.
    Health and safety is more important.
    Not bringing the virus back with you is more important.

    You think some people can just afford to lose potentially a few thousand if its taken months or years to save for ?

    Like i said if theres flexibility then great they can change to next year. If not your stuck and some cant afford to lose a large sum of money but I do accept your point its just not as straight forward


  • #6918
    Bot1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Bot1


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    There isn't at the moment, the travel cases were also from India and Bangladesh amongst others.

    Now some were from the US and UK but to brand cases from Iraq, India and Bangladesh as a reason to try and stop people going on holidays is out of context.

    They need to stop lumping everything in under the travel heading and break down the data.

    Seeing x amount of cases related to travel will always look bad but if you actually see where they're coming from it brings context.

    Absolutely.

    A family travelling to France, holidaying in a campsite and pretty much keeping to themselves is a huge difference to somebody travelling to Iraq and not taking any social distancing measures.


  • #6919
    Zonda999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,536 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    I assume nobody is planning their holidays to the likes of Brazil or the US (Even if they were allowed entry). However, I don't think anyone would have an issue if some one for whatever reason was traveling from such places was forcibly required to quarantine in a hotel or what not for the 14 days.

    I am getting the impression that due to the not mandatory nature of our existing quarantine, that the airbridge idea is not being taken seriously because I think there is an assumption there that even if the airbridge concept is only for direct flights between Ireland and those particular countries, that nobody will quarantine no matter where they are coming from. I think we have shot ourselves in the foot on this at this stage.


  • #6920
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,886 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Bot1 wrote: »
    Where is the evidence that cases are increasing as a result of family going on foreign holidays? Genuinely interested in seeing it.

    In the newspaper there is one mention of a cluster as a result of travel from Iraq.

    Hardly a holiday destination!

    6 of the 24 cases yesterday were from people that were on holidays.
    Small clusters forming but if we handle it we be ok.
    End of July will tell a story.

    If you go on holiday just act responsible there and when home. Pretty simple


  • #6921
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    My cousin, her husband and their kids are going to Greece for a week in the middle of July. Greece has pretty much got their infection under control. The way I see it they have less chance of catching and therefore spreading the virus from going to Greece then they would if they stayed for a week in a hotel in Wexford. They will self isolate for two weeks when returning home.

    I see nothing wrong with that. Different if you decide to travel to Florida or England or Sweden.


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  • #6922
    Bot1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Bot1


    average_runner wrote: »
    6 of the 24 cases yesterday were from people that were on holidays.
    Small clusters forming but if we handle it we be ok.
    End of July will tell a story.

    If you go on holiday just act responsible there and when home. Pretty simple

    Totally.

    Outside of the basket case countries -

    If for example you travel by Ferry, stay in your cabin, take precautions and social distance while on holidays in a country with very similar COVID-19 levels then what exactly is the increased risk?


  • #6923
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    There isn't at the moment, the travel cases were also from India and Bangladesh amongst others.

    Now some were from the US and UK but to brand cases from Iraq, India and Bangladesh as a reason to try and stop people going on holidays is out of context.

    They need to stop lumping everything in under the travel heading and break down the data.

    Seeing x amount of cases related to travel will always look bad but if you actually see where they're coming from it brings context.

    They will never show their hand Stephen.


  • #6924
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    average_runner wrote: »
    6 of the 24 cases yesterday were from people that were on holidays.
    Small clusters forming but if we handle it we be ok.
    End of July will tell a story.

    If you go on holiday just act responsible there and when home. Pretty simple

    Exactly this, its not rocket science


  • #6925
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,886 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Bot1 wrote: »
    Totally.

    Outside of the basket case countries -

    If for example you travel by Ferry, stay in your cabin, take precautions and social distance while on holidays in a country with very similar COVID-19 levels then what exactly is the increased risk?

    Yep, we didnt go this year as too many restrictions on our campsite in France, no kids club, limited numbers in the pool and at the entertainment.


  • #6926
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    polesheep wrote: »
    They will never show their hand Stephen.

    Its like everything, its easy to give a broad sweeping statement but without context it's pointless. The travel cases are a prime example when you actual look at the orgin of travel


  • #6927
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    average_runner wrote: »
    6 of the 24 cases yesterday were from people that were on holidays.
    Small clusters forming but if we handle it we be ok.
    End of July will tell a story.

    If you go on holiday just act responsible there and when home. Pretty simple

    No 6 of the cases were from travel.
    No breakdown on reason for travel were made.
    That is an assumption been made by many that all were holidaying


  • #6928
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,886 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Its like everything, its easy to give a broad sweeping statement but without context it's pointless. The travel cases are a prime example when you actual look at the orgin of travel

    I be more worried about liffey valley shopping centre last weekend, drove by it and it was packed.

    I would keep away from countries like USA, UK, Sweden, middle east where high etc


  • #6929
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    average_runner wrote: »
    I be more worried about liffey valley shopping centre last weekend, drove by it and it was packed.

    I would keep away from countries like USA, UK, Sweden, middle east where high etc

    Yup likewise I wouldn't have an issue with travel within the EU with the exception of the ones you've mentioned. Likewise US is a no go.

    Agreed there are more higher risk settings closer to home.


  • #6930
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    You think some people can just afford to lose potentially a few thousand if its taken months or years to save for ?

    Like i said if theres flexibility then great they can change to next year. If not your stuck and some cant afford to lose a large sum of money but I do accept your point its just not as straight forward

    Well I mean people have to risk asses the chances of contracting the virus them and their families have, vs money they have Already spent but won’t get a non essential experience for.


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  • #6931
    skelly22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭skelly22


    GocRh wrote: »
    Call for flights to be cancelled, this is quickly getting out of control, govt needs to step up and say once and for all what the policy is.
    Less than a week ago we were talking about green lanes, and now what's being suggested is more strict that the restrictions we had during lockdown!

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/call-for-government-to-cancel-flights-follows-holohan-s-foreign-travel-comments-1.4292494

    Holohan would indeed appear to be an absolute wolf in sheep's clothing. I never knew that someone with so little apparent authority could have such an Authoritarian impact.


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