Masks

Seanergy · 29-06-2020 06:11PM

Yes: valved

polesheep wrote: »

I think people who want to see mask wearing on public transport as a general rule should be up front about it.

They are, they are the ones with coverings on their faces riding public transport.

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not legislation, it's regulations for it and we don't have them yet.

Yes, today's announcement was more a PR excerise in saving face on phase 3 opening day, STATE making out the paperwork was done when it hasn't happened yet. A white lie that they thought would do no harm and potentially increase mask uptake a little earlier than mandatory. A few frustrated passengers ain't going to rock the stateboat.

Assetbacked wrote: »

Covid is a mild illness for almost everyone who will contract it, has effectively a 0% death rate among the working age population and even those that are dying "with" it are at the normal age for dying in Ireland. But the main point is that masks can assist with preventing the spread of the virus in some instances but at this stage there is no spread so it is not necessary to wear masks, hence why they have not been made mandatory to date. Your comments are being made generally about viruses so would apply notwithstanding covid19 but equally the same precautions you can take to protect yourself still apply (i.e. wash your hands, don't let someone cough on you etc.).

Pure gobblygook.

NOT BEEN MADE MANDATORY TO DATE BECAUSE:

MARCH + APRIL : State ran a hard anti mask campaign in an attempt to protect supply for themselves and HCW's worldwide.

MAY: Supplies still not fully stocked, more supplies needed for extra HCW's due to changes in HSE mask policy. Start of uturn with soft mask campaign riddeled with mixed messaging and confusion.

JUNE: Supplies only got fully stocked towards end of month, relaunched mask campaign for the 2nd time to clear up mixed messaging and confusion, gov distracted with formation talks, missed launch date with phase 3 opening, bluffed and are still bluffin, still confusion.

JULY: Still to happen. Mandatory may and may not happen on transport but more importantly the tourist test season starts, Ireland unmasked.

weldoninhio · 29-06-2020 06:52PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

Ah yes, I've got weak immune system now and I'm hysterical. Yeah, and if you got sick 4 times in a year and your watch people 2 feet away from you coughing their lungs ups and NOT covering their mouths, you would be cool with that too, yeah? it's just me being weak and hysterical.

I Don't normally get sick. Normally go out. Normally party or had done more in the past. The one changing variable was for 9 months I had to take a packed bus and both morning and evening rush hour. 30-40 people in an enclosed space with flu, colds etc. Windows closed with little circulation from on one of the longest bus routes.

None of you contested the link to the article about up to 20,000 viruses being expelled in an average cough. Instead you come back and say I'm hysterical and accuse me of a weak immune system.

Explain to me what exactly is hysterical about a bit of logic and reasoning? Oh, no, please enlighten me with your vague guesses about my health and mental status and ignore the scientific evidence.

Weldoninho's logic is to that because he doesn't get sick when he rode the bus, it's not probable that another person gets sick and if the they do it's because they are weak. Well, lets just close the hospitals a go home, Weldonihno, is OK. I mean why make medicine if some person isn't sick?

Next time you have a miserable flu, I want you to be thankful that it could have easily prevented or the probabilty reduced by someone simply covering their mouth. Mad, hysterical concept, isn't it!?

@polesheep: what are you talking about? Whats your point?

I think you should contact your GP and see if he can put you in touch with someone to talk to. You seem very on edge and venting on Boards isn’t going to help it. It may even exacerbate it. I unfortunately know this from experience.

never_mind · 29-06-2020 07:01PM

No: other

There’s a lot happening here lol...

Question. So barbers have to wear masks and do their clients have to as well? OH got hair cut today and forgot his mask and asked for one from them which they gave but they weren’t wearing one? Neither were any other clients...

stephenjmcd · 29-06-2020 07:03PM

never_mind wrote: »

There’s a lot happening here lol...

Question. So barbers have to wear masks and do their clients have to as well? OH got hair cut today and forgot his mask and asked for one from them which they gave but they weren’t wearing one? Neither were any other clients...

didn't have to wear one in the barbers I was in. Staff had them on, customers it was optional

Seanergy · 29-06-2020 07:08PM

Yes: valved

Operation FFCN update: still rising, now at 45%

Dr Holohan said research conducted on behalf of the Department of Health shows that 45% of people say they wear face coverings when in a public place, up 41% on last week.

It sounds like a phone survey or more accuratly a phoney survey. It was 1000 people a week ago and now it is 2000 people, loads on redial.

FFCN: Fudge Face Covering Numbers

Arrival · 29-06-2020 09:11PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

didn't have to wear one in the barbers I was in. Staff had them on, customers it was optional

That's ridiculous, the people fighting for that industry to be allowed reoopen specifically laid out that all businesses should and would have both the customer and barber wear masks and disinfecting the place in between each customer carried out

If they're failing at the first hurdle what hope have we, pack of ****ing idiots

jackboy · 29-06-2020 09:20PM

So only about 10% wearing masks on public transport even though it is mandatory. Zero policing of this.

Class MayDresser · 29-06-2020 10:04PM

Watched a bus loading up in a County Town today, every one had a mask on getting onto the bus.
As soon as they sat down more than half if not most pulled them down around their necks before settling into the journey. Couldn't believe it.

Tork · 30-06-2020 12:01AM

Yes: to protect others

Class MayDresser wrote: »

Watched a bus loading up in a County Town today, every one had a mask on getting onto the bus.
As soon as they sat down more than half if not most pulled them down around their necks before settling into the journey. Couldn't believe it.

I've heard of this happening on public transport in the UK too.

watlantic · 30-06-2020 12:30AM

jackboy wrote: »

So only about 10% wearing masks on public transport even though it is mandatory. Zero policing of this.

The guidelines for using public transport from the government and HSE clearly state:
''WEAR a face covering* ''
Note the * which is then explained at the bottom of the page:
'' * Not suitable for children under 13
and those who have difficulty wearing them ''

...and a lot of people have that difficulty, with nausea, facial skin eruptions, dizziness, distress, anxiety, panic attacks and hyperventilation being common symptoms. What about asthmatics, for example ?
Do you want all of them to waste their doctor's valuable time by obtaining written proof of their difficulty ?
The doctors have better things to do, so common sense should prevail and not an insistence on 100% compliance, with loads of people keeling over on public transport from wearing face coverings, and ambulances having to be called while the bus has to stop and wait for same to arrive.
Where's common sense gone ?

McGiver · 30-06-2020 01:01AM

No: I don't care enough

Give me a f*cking break really....

The evolution of the anti-mask narrative in the chronological order.

WHO don't recommend them!
Holohan doesn't recommend them!
The government doesn't recommend them!
HSE don't recommend them!
Masks don't work!
2m social distancing is sufficient!
The "15 minute rule"!
I look like an idiot wearing a mask!
I can't be arsed to wear one!
I have a panic attack wearing a mask!
Vulnerable people should hide themselves in their huts, I won't wear a mask!
I've done a lot of sacrifice, I won't wear a mask!
Wearing a mask is blocking our emotions and facial expressions!
There's no virus, we don't need masks!
My freedoms (house arrest was fine)!
They can't be mandated because they can't be enforced!
....

FFS what bizarre reason will they come up with it next? That wearing a mask reduces penis size?!

Seriously lads, this is a joke.

We had this public discussion about masks settled in Czechia by mid-March. It's unbelievable what's happening here 3 and half months later, in a country with 12 times more deaths per capita, several times more government debt incurred, at least twice the unemployment.

I really don't see any other way than legislating and enforcing this. At least 50% people here have been proven to be self-centred arseholes who don't give a jot about others, it's sad actually.

The argument for mandating masks is that your freedom end where someone else's freedom starts. It's the same as driving really - you can smoke opium at home, I don't give a damn, but no way you gonna smoke opium and drive, because then you infringe freedoms of others and put their life in danger, this behaviour has to be banned, enforced and prosecuted/criminalised.

ExMachina1000 · 30-06-2020 06:32AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

jackboy wrote: »

So only about 10% wearing masks on public transport even though it is mandatory. Zero policing of this.

It isn't mandatory. It's a watery suggestion at best

Tork · 30-06-2020 08:34AM

Yes: to protect others

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

It isn't mandatory. It's a watery suggestion at best

It proves that we can't rely on people to do things for the greater good.

sheepsh4gger · 30-06-2020 09:01AM

Rather than listening to politicians people should strive to be self-reliant.

Get equipment that protects you and your family from the disease. It's doesn't cost an arm. On Aliexpress it's discounted because China ramped up production. If you're afraid about quality get the mask from Aliexpress but P3 filters from Amazon.

Stark · 30-06-2020 09:40AM

No: other

mentalhealth20 wrote: »

Personally face coverings on public transport make sense but should be encouraged not mandatory in my opinion. People tend to be less compliant with things that are forced on them.

Really? Because all evidence is to the contrary.

mentalhealth20 wrote: »

I think people should decide for themselves what they feel comfortable with.

Except they're not deciding for themselves, they're deciding for other people.

Tork · 30-06-2020 10:01AM

Yes: to protect others

Before the smoking ban came in, everyone knew that passive smoking was bad for people and that cigarette smoke affected everybody in the pub. Everyone of a certain age will remember the stench from their clothes when they got home and how their hair stank the next morning. I don't remember any smokers going outside the pub door to have a smoke, rather than light up indoors. People aren't being asked to wear masks all day but for the duration of their commute to work or trip to the shop. Personally, I'm more p*ssed off that I have to queue outside shops and don't look forward to it happening when winter comes along. If wearing a mask means shops can let more people in and not have their customers standing outside in the wet and cold, it's a small sacrifice to make.

Seanergy · 30-06-2020 10:06AM

Yes: valved

mentalhealth20 wrote: »

Reading this thread for the last while and it has been an interesting discussion.

Personally face coverings on public transport make sense but should be encouraged not mandatory in my opinion. People tend to be less compliant with things that are forced on them.

Past while = what? an amount of time? 1, 2, 3 posts, slow reader? Haven't seen you interact once on this thread before, what post number did you begin and end on?

When smoking was made mandatory on buses for public health reasons compliance was at 94% within a year, 95% within 3 years and is probably closer to 99%+now.

Tork · 30-06-2020 10:15AM

Yes: to protect others

So do you think that people with Coronavirus don't exhale infectious droplets?

Tork · 30-06-2020 10:23AM

Yes: to protect others

I agree that the person posting those ridiculous contraptions is doing the argument no good. It's a strawman and isn't helping the discussion.

So do you agree that Coronavirus can be spread through droplets expelled from people's mouths? Yes or no.

Tork · 30-06-2020 10:31AM

Yes: to protect others

The problem is, the vast majority of people aren't wearing masks despite being asked to. Why is that, do you think?

Seanergy · 30-06-2020 10:36AM

Yes: valved

mentalhealth20 wrote: »

People tend to be less compliant with things that are forced on them.

The Stats strongly disagree with your opinion. 95% compliance with smoking ban on buses when it was forced on people.

Tork · 30-06-2020 10:41AM

Yes: to protect others

No it isn't. Smoking leads to the release of harmful second hand smoke into the air. Not wearing a mask in an enclosed area if you've got Coronavirus increases the risk of infecting others around you.

polesheep · 30-06-2020 10:45AM

Stark wrote: »

Really? Because all evidence is to the contrary.

Except they're not deciding for themselves, they're deciding for other people.

The same can be said for those who want to impose masks on others.

polesheep · 30-06-2020 10:47AM

Tork wrote: »

The problem is, the vast majority of people aren't wearing masks despite being asked to. Why is that, do you think?

There is so much that you are missing in your own post. The vast majority don't want to wear them, but the small minority should have its way?

odyssey06 · 30-06-2020 10:54AM

polesheep wrote: »

There is so much that you are missing in your own post. The vast majority don't want to wear them, but the small minority should have its way?

It's not a minority \ majority decision. It's an authority decision, like the lockdown, like all the other restrictions we've had this year.
The bus driver doesn't ask for a vote when driving the bus.

Assetbacked · 30-06-2020 11:03AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Seanergy wrote: »

They are, they are the ones with coverings on their faces riding public transport.

Yes, today's announcement was more a PR excerise in saving face on phase 3 opening day, STATE making out the paperwork was done when it hasn't happened yet. A white lie that they thought would do no harm and potentially increase mask uptake a little earlier than mandatory. A few frustrated passengers ain't going to rock the stateboat.

Pure gobblygook.

NOT BEEN MADE MANDATORY TO DATE BECAUSE:

MARCH + APRIL : State ran a hard anti mask campaign in an attempt to protect supply for themselves and HCW's worldwide.

MAY: Supplies still not fully stocked, more supplies needed for extra HCW's due to changes in HSE mask policy. Start of uturn with soft mask campaign riddeled with mixed messaging and confusion.

JUNE: Supplies only got fully stocked towards end of month, relaunched mask campaign for the 2nd time to clear up mixed messaging and confusion, gov distracted with formation talks, missed launch date with phase 3 opening, bluffed and are still bluffin, still confusion.

JULY: Still to happen. Mandatory may and may not happen on transport but more importantly the tourist test season starts, Ireland unmasked.

Where the virus is spreading in the community, masks can assist as part of a range of measures to contain the spread. There is no community spread so right now the mask argument is redundant.

odyssey06 · 30-06-2020 11:16AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

Where the virus is spreading in the community, masks can assist as part of a range of measures to contain the spread. There is no community spread so right now the mask argument is redundant.

It'll be halfways too late by then, it would only help with further spreading. Community spread can kick off before our testing and contact tracing can catch up.

Wear a mask. Stop community spread from starting again.
This is especially important in the context of the coming weeks and months as Ireland opens up for travel, increases capacity on public transport to get people back to work.

Tork · 30-06-2020 11:18AM

Yes: to protect others

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0629/1150349-covid-ireland-latest/

Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan has expressed concern over a "worrying trend" of cases of Covid-19 rising in Ireland as well as "some new clusters".

Dr Holohan said: "We are starting to see a worrying trend, with the number of reported cases increasing, and some new clusters."

One of those clusters was located in the northwest of Ireland and its transmission was travel-related, originating in Iraq.

Dr Holohan urged people who have made bookings to travel abroad for holidays "not to go ahead with that booking" rather than risk picking up Covid-19 or bringing it back to family members or their local community.

He said as time goes on, the role and risk of travel will increase. "We are genuinely very concerned about that."

Dr Holohan revealed that in relation to some recent Covid-19 cases, particularly among young people, "the numbers of contacts .... have actually been quite large".

Sometimes they have had to test in excess of 20 people as close contacts of individual cases.

That was a very different situation from back in April when there was a much larger number of cases, but the average number of contacts for each of the cases was two to three.

He wanted to remind people the virus is still here and when NPHET warned about large gatherings and house parties, it was not just aimed at young people, as older age groups were also participating in such activities.

While he still believes there are high levels of compliance, Dr Holohan said public health officials were witnessing slippage in some settings. If we get a resurgence of this disease, it will be things like this that will lead to it.

Pretzill · 30-06-2020 11:19AM

Yes: surgical

I hope those people who are refusing to cover up on public transport and indoor public spaces watched the RTE Investigates documentary last night and are now going to wear a mask - I have worn masks in public spaces since the first week in March, it's feck all used to me though if the majority can't be bothered.

polesheep · 30-06-2020 11:56AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's not a minority \ majority decision. It's an authority decision, like the lockdown, like all the other restrictions we've had this year.
The bus driver doesn't ask for a vote when driving the bus.

The people led the way in all of this. Most people realise that the community spread is so small now that masks are not necessary. Should community spread go up dramatically, I have no doubt that the people will once again lead the way and mask wearing will increase. I don't, however, consider that likely.

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