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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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    #9932
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Gintonious wrote: »
    While I think most social media platforms are doing the right thing and picking the right course of action when it comes to political content, I can't help but see this as ammo for Trump to use come November.

    Currently, he is already trying to set the tone of fraud, fake news, "they are out to get me" type of speech that will get his die-hard supporters doubt the validity of the election. This is a coy play on setting up the narrative and also him realizing that he might not just lose, but get hammered in November.

    This could well charge up whatever is left of his base to cause some serious unrest and violence if that happens.

    You may be right in terms of it being ammunition for Trump.

    Trump has long since given up on any attempts to win over new voters (if he ever had any real intentions there) and his sole focus is on squeezing every last vote out of the ~40% core that has remained with him throughout.

    The question is though will that be enough to combat the likely large turn-out from the other 60% of the voters?

    If he gets to within 4/5% of Biden in the polls he has a shot via the Electoral College, but if Biden can hold the gap out to beyond that 5% level (the further the better) then he simply won't have enough votes to get him over the line


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    #9933
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,051 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Trump hit an inside straight to win the last time and he is looking like he will have to do the same again, so many paths for Biden to victory, so few for Trump. hopefully that's continues.

    Re giving him ammo, yeah do, **** it like. Let him have his pity parties, his base is circa 30% of the voting population. Let them all have a massive pity party about how everyone is against them and so unfair, it's not like they don't do that anyway.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #9934
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Penn wrote: »
    Reddit has fully banned The_Donald subreddit. Seems a lot of social media sites starting to see the writing on the wall in terms of how the upcoming election could affect their ad sales if advertisers pull away from them.

    Until the biggest one, Facebook, takes definitive action other than Commander Data Zuckerberg saying he'll look in to it. It'll have sweet FA effect


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    #9935
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Until the biggest one, Facebook, takes definitive action other than Commander Data Zuckerberg saying he'll look in to it. It'll have sweet FA effect

    Agreed - But they are being hit in the wallet now.
    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Read that there is a pretty big boycott for advertising on Facebook for the month of July in protest at how they ignore hate speech and refuse to remove it. Unilever and Coca Cola are part of the boycott, Facebooks shares dropped 7% on their announcment that they would spend no ad money with them for all of July.


    So let's see if Zuckerberg has a Damascene moment and actually starts to deal with the crap on his platforms.


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    #9936
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Penn wrote: »
    Do you think that given his position and especially when it's already been established that what appears on his Twitter account qualifies as Presidential statements, that he should undertake such due diligence before retweeting?

    Absolutely, no argument there .I am sure his staff would have warned him to be careful. But it appears there is no talking sense into him.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #9937
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Absolutely, no argument there .I am sure his staff would have warned him to be careful. But it appears there is no talking sense into him.

    And where/when do you think that humility starts and he listens to others? Is that not extremely disturbing considering the power at his control?


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    #9938
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,546 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Twitch have issued a temporary ban for Don!
    As alluded to earlier, quite a lot of streaming and social media sites are going to start enforcing their rules to protect their bottom lines.


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    #9939
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The Reddit decision kinda depends on how the Trump / Fox narrative frames it. From my PoV it seemed a particularly noxious place filled with all the worst excesses of Trump support. Drawing attention to its shuttering could potentially draw attention to its content, in which case the indignation is lost among the invective and prejudice. It'll be interesting to see if (say) Tucker Carlson takes it onboard as part of the great "big tech is bias to liberals" conspiracy.


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    #9940
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,627 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Read that there is a pretty big boycott for advertising on Facebook for the month of July in protest at how they ignore hate speech and refuse to remove it. Unilever and Coca Cola are part of the boycott, Facebooks shares dropped 7% on their announcment that they would spend no ad money with them for all of July.

    About time. I deleted my Facebook account years ago and best thing I ever did. And what I've seen of Mark zukerberg in front of congress wasn't very encouraging.


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    #9941
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,873 ✭✭✭Christy42


    banie01 wrote: »
    Twitch have issued a temporary ban for Don!
    As alluded to earlier, quite a lot of streaming and social media sites are going to start enforcing their rules to protect their bottom lines.

    What in the world was he using twitch for?


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    #9942
    circadian
    Registered Users Posts: 6,918 ✭✭✭circadian


    Christy42 wrote: »
    What in the world was he using twitch for?

    Streaming himself ripping people off in Animal Crossing.


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    #9943
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Christy42 wrote: »
    What in the world was he using twitch for?

    Apparently hi campaign lived streamed his rallies from it, so likely it was from the kung flu type racist comments.


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    #9944
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,502 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Absolutely, no argument there .I am sure his staff would have warned him to be careful. But it appears there is no talking sense into him.

    Or maybe he is doing exactly as he wishes and wants.

    I stopped thinking ages ago that these were simply mistakes. There has been too many of them. Once or twice, fair enough, people make mistakes. But he has never apologised, never taken back what he says.

    So the only real conclusion is that this is all on purpose. Gradually, but consistently, push the white power agenda. He, and those around him, are smart enough to know that simply coming out with racist remarks is never going to fly, si do it lightly but pointedly.


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    #9945
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 13,569 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Gintonious wrote: »
    This could well charge up whatever is left of his base to cause some serious unrest and violence if that happens.

    I remember those people dressed in black and described as anarchists by the media, going around smashing shop windows on the day of Trump's inauguration. Totally unwarranted at any time, really, but that display of wanton contempt for property could pale into insignificance against what a certain proportion of Trump's base will do *if* Trump loses, and *if* Trump is reckless enough to rile his supporters up in the wake of that.

    The current divisions in the USA certainly come across to me as being the closest that the country has come to another civil war in a long time. Now, in saying that, they could still be miles off it, but it's a dark path they appear to be heading down in their discourse. It's one thing not to agree on an issue, but it's another to not even be able to find mutually held truths that you can have arguments on top of, and that's the point they've arrived at with their partisanship.


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    #9946
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    briany wrote: »
    I remember those people dressed in black and described as anarchists by the media, going around smashing shop windows on the day of Trump's inauguration. Totally unwarranted at any time, really, but that display of wanton contempt for property could pale into insignificance against what a certain proportion of Trump's base will do *if* Trump loses, and *if* Trump is reckless enough to rile his supporters up in the wake of that.

    The current divisions in the USA certainly come across to me as being the closest that the country has come to another civil war in a long time. Now, in saying that, they could still be miles off it, but it's a dark path they appear to be heading down in their discourse. It's one thing not to agree on an issue, but it's another to not even be able to find mutually held truths that you can have arguments on top of, and that's the point they've arrived at with their partisanship.

    If Trump gets beaten in November, he's going to jail if he doesn't do the switcheroo with Pence. If the GOP doesn't back that idea, what has he got to lose, in for a penny and all that.

    There's two major Ifs there, but it's very plausible given his track record


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    #9947
    Thargor
    Registered Users Posts: 17,885 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Always a Tweet:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/395872174722273280


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    #9948
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,502 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    This Taliban/Russia thing could really be a major problem for Trump. As usual his first action is to deny it, now its moved to trying to muddy the waters. And Pence is caught up in this too.

    Given how hard he has been pushing for Russia to get back into the G8, it comes off at best as being made a fool off.

    And Americans don't like that. The WH continued non statement on what they intend to do with Russia because of it is almost a bigger story.


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    #9949
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Just out of interest, what do posters here think is the truth about the alleged Trump/Russia links?

    Nonsense or real?

    And if the latter, how deep does it go?


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    #9950
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,627 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    sid waddell wrote: »
    Just out of interest, what do posters here think is the truth about the alleged Trump/Russia links?

    Nonsense or real?

    And if the latter, how deep does it go?

    Well I think there's some thing to it. I say that because even tonight the press secretary said that the New York Times is wrong in that the president was briefed about this. They have in no way tried to say the substance of the report is wrong which I'm sure they'd do if it was. They are saying the president wasn't briefed but honestly something as serious would surely be in his Daily briefing which I'm sure congress could clear up by issuing a subpoena for his daily briefings for early march. If it's not in there then trumps claim of not being briefed holds up. If it's there then trump is in serious trouble, especially as he's recently spoke at a West Point graduation and if he had intelligence about these bounties and did nothing, the Lincoln project have their next ad.


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    #9951
    stinkypinky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 161 ✭✭stinkypinky


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    He's apparently completely fluent in German, talsk in it with German officials prior to official proceedings taking place, and has apparently even acted as an impromptu translator of sorts before (I know its RT, just pointing to the gist of it) -

    Just to add to this, Putin was stationed in Dresden East Germany when the Soviet Union collapsed. The KGB office he was in was met with angry demonstrators wanting to attack and ransack it. Putin bluffed in Deutsch that the building was filled with armed KGB officials and any attempt to attack it would be met with gunfire, he was the only KGB official there. Sounds like a folk tale or Russian Propaganda but it's backed up by multiple Western sources.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32066222


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    #9952
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    CNN now leading that Intel about Russian bounty on US Troops was in the West Wing PDB in early March.


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    #9953
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    stinkypinky wrote: »
    Just to add to this, Putin was stationed in Dresden East Germany when the Soviet Union collapsed. The KGB office he was in was met with angry demonstrators wanting to attack and ransack it. Putin bluffed in Deutsch that the building was filled with armed KGB officials and any attempt to attack it would be met with gunfire, he was the only KGB official there. Sounds like a folk tale or Russian Propaganda but it's backed up by multiple Western sources.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32066222

    I would well believe it Plus Putin seems like he can adapt to any situation when required. Such as acting as translator for a German fella on Russian tv show.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #9954
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well I think there's some thing to it. I say that because even tonight the press secretary said that the New York Times is wrong in that the president was briefed about this. They have in no way tried to say the substance of the report is wrong which I'm sure they'd do if it was. They are saying the president wasn't briefed but honestly something as serious would surely be in his Daily briefing which I'm sure congress could clear up by issuing a subpoena for his daily briefings for early march. If it's not in there then trumps claim of not being briefed holds up. If it's there then trump is in serious trouble, especially as he's recently spoke at a West Point graduation and if he had intelligence about these bounties and did nothing, the Lincoln project have their next ad.

    Even if, for the sake of argument, McEnaney's claim that Trump wasn't briefed was true (and long experience tells us that such a denial should be dismissed) that still wouldn't explain how Trump has offered no pushback at all against Russia at all in the 72 hours since the story went public.

    The Lincoln Project have already gone to town on him.


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    #9955
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    sid waddell wrote: »
    Even if, for the sake of argument, McEnaney's claim that Trump wasn't briefed was true (and long experience tells us that such a denial should be dismissed) that still wouldn't explain how Trump has offered no pushback at all against Russia at all in the 72 hours since the story went public.

    The Lincoln Project have already gone to town on him.

    That's why he held a House Republican only briefing a little earlier.

    The Democrats aren't getting a briefing until tomorrow...The GOP need to get the story straight..

    They are now shifting to "We didn't tell the President because we were still investigating it , but now that the Fake News Media broke the story , we can no longer investigate , so it's all the New York Times fault , there's blood on their hands"

    https://twitter.com/RepJimBanks/status/1277686655776784386

    Just so far beyond parody at this stage..


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    #9956
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    I believe over 100 newspapers called for Bill Clinton to resign during his impeachment trial.

    How many newspapers have called for Trump to resign?

    I can't think of many, if any, even.

    Why aren't newspapers and television networks uniformly calling on Trump to resign? Why are the Democrats not doing so?

    Wouldn't standing idly by and doing nothing except rewarding Russia when you know Russia is offering and paying prize money to the Taliban for killing US soldiers normally be a resigning matter, and then some?

    I'd have thought that shouldn't even be a debate - it's brazenly selling your country out to a hostile foreign power.


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    #9957
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    That's why he held a House Republican only briefing a little earlier.

    The Democrats aren't getting a briefing until tomorrow...The GOP need to get the story straight..

    They are now shifting to "We didn't tell the President because we were still investigating it , but now that the Fake News Media broke the story , we can no longer investigate , so it's all the New York Times fault , there's blood on their hands"

    https://twitter.com/RepJimBanks/status/1277686655776784386

    Just so far beyond parody at this stage..
    Lying for Putin, in other words.

    The US President and his party are circling the wagons to make up a lie so as to not offend Putin, the kleptocratic, imperialist dictator of Russia.

    You could not make this up.

    Which begs the question, why are Trump and the Republican party furiously circling the wagons to make up a lie so as not to offend Putin?

    What's the reason?


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    #9958
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,627 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    sid waddell wrote: »
    Even if, for the sake of argument, McEnaney's claim that Trump wasn't briefed was true (and long experience tells us that such a denial should be dismissed) that still wouldn't explain how Trump has offered no pushback at all against Russia at all in the 72 hours since the story went public.

    The Lincoln Project have already gone to town on him.

    Sorry I assumed when you said Russia you were talking anout this most recent Russia issue and not the broader Russia issue. I mean I think why he's not pushed back because as we have seen he thinks anything Russia related is a hoax of some kind. The fact he hasn't though will raise question as to whether he is comprimised in some way by the Russians.


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    #9959
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,627 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    That's why he held a House Republican only briefing a little earlier.

    The Democrats aren't getting a briefing until tomorrow...The GOP need to get the story straight..

    They are now shifting to "We didn't tell the President because we were still investigating it , but now that the Fake News Media broke the story , we can no longer investigate , so it's all the New York Times fault , there's blood on their hands"

    https://twitter.com/RepJimBanks/status/1277686655776784386

    Just so far beyond parody at this stage..

    Why was Mark meadows briefing people on something that trump said meadows wasn't briefed on when the story broke ? Imagine at any time in the past a president of the United States getting this info and not doing condemning Russia. The GOP would be up in arms about this and rightly so, but trump went and played golf.


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    #9960
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://twitter.com/jpaceDC/status/1277792243055804417?s=19

    Looks like it was as far back as 2019


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    #9961
    farmerval
    Registered Users Posts: 653 ✭✭✭farmerval


    How in the name of all that's holy is this not a way bigger issue in the States???

    Has Trump completely neutered the Republican party? This should be an impeachable act, yet there's barely a whimper about it. The Republican's obsession with the military, their ever increasing military budgets and this is barely getting a mention? I am more flabbergasted than ever.

    The WH response has been farcical, no mention of what they would do if the intel was credible, just sticking their fingers in their ears and going NA NA NA. Brutal.

    If the American people stand for this it's all over in the States. Not just now, but imagine what someone smarter than Trump, but with similarly lacking in oral standards could do if in office.

    All the talk of the separation of powers, etc. One buffoon can almost bring the country to it's knees in four years.


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