Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

MickeyLeari · 29-06-2020 06:46PM

I got a pop up on my phone that Tony is concerned about the new cases. Are they in the hundreds? Does anyone know more about these? Is the virus in community transmission? Are there geographical clusters?

gmisk · 29-06-2020 06:48PM

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Is that picture of the menu on Slatterys on Capel Street real?

Everything on the breakfast menu has been hiked to €9, they didnt even the and make it better value for money. A sticker has been put on the old menu?

I think that was a joke no?

Naos · 29-06-2020 06:54PM

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Is that picture of the menu on Slatterys on Capel Street real?

Everything on the breakfast menu has been hiked to €9, they didnt even the and make it better value for money. A sticker has been put on the old menu?

Where is the pic?

faceman · 29-06-2020 07:02PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Before anyone comes at me, I’ll preface this by saying I have reservations for every Saturday between now and the August bank holiday weekend at local bars/pubs, so I am supporting the hospitality industry and I’m not staying at home because of this.

But can anyone explain the logic in only allowing 90 minute slots for each booking? Won’t that mean that there will be far more people in and out of each premises than say, if you could book a table for a night? Or even for say a 3/4 hour block?
By limiting each group to 90 minutes surely that heightens the risk because there will be far more people traffic in and out of each place?

It’s one thing I genuinely can’t see the logic in.
It also means a lot of people are going to do bar crawls, they’ll make 4/5 bookings in several different places just so that they can stay out for a few hours.
Logically, I would have thought one group at one table in one premises for the night would be safer & less risky than one group moving from venue to venue, and a lot more risky footfall for each bar/pub?

I’m desperate for a bit of normality so I’ll go anyway regardless but I think this is one of the stupidest, most illogical rules I’ve ever seen.

I don't begrudge you a pint at all and do go an enjoy it. Let me add to your question.

Can someone explain how pubs are allowed to open if food is served, with reduced social distancing, yet an essential service like education is still up in the air with scaremongering about social distancing despite the fact that numerous studies show children are low risk? Also churches are being given exemptions to gathering size. Why?

Does that appear like sound decisions are being made on science?

Hurrache · 29-06-2020 07:03PM

gmisk wrote: »

Watching the RTE news, I like what the market bar have done...some previously and some space, it used to be so noisy when I was in before

Yeah, seems a much more pleasant place actually!

Hurrache · 29-06-2020 07:06PM

faceman wrote: »

I don't begrudge you a pint at all and do go an enjoy it. Let me add to your question.

Can someone explain how pubs are allowed to open if food is served, with reduced social distancing, yet an essential service like education is still up in the air with scaremongering about social distancing despite the fact that numerous studies show children are low risk?

You can limit the number of people in pubs, which is what is being done. You can't just do that in schools.

Children may be low risk, but the vast majority go home to families, who aren't all children.

bucketybuck · 29-06-2020 07:18PM

Whatever I think about pubs, tourism and the economy, the biggest disgrace is what is happening with childrens education.

vid36 · 29-06-2020 07:20PM

faceman wrote: »

I don't begrudge you a pint at all and do go an enjoy it. Let me add to your question.

Can someone explain how pubs are allowed to open if food is served, with reduced social distancing, yet an essential service like education is still up in the air with scaremongering about social distancing despite the fact that numerous studies show children are low risk? Also churches are being given exemptions to gathering size. Why?

Does that appear like sound decisions are being made on science?

Churches are not being given an exemption, all were restricted to 50 today.

MickeyLeari · 29-06-2020 07:23PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Whatever I think about pubs, tourism and the economy, the biggest disgrace is what is happening with childrens education.

It is a disgrace but perhaps not the biggest one (the normal health service for instance).

greensheep777 · 29-06-2020 07:34PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

24 new cases today. 0 deaths.

A devastating blow for the "RIP" crowd on The Journal.

VonLuck · 29-06-2020 07:38PM

faceman wrote: »

Can someone explain how pubs are allowed to open if food is served, with reduced social distancing, yet an essential service like education is still up in the air with scaremongering about social distancing despite the fact that numerous studies show children are low risk? Also churches are being given exemptions to gathering size. Why?

Here's my take on it. Children are much less likely to follow guidance measures and therefore are at increased risk of transmitting the virus.

As for churches, these are generally large open spaces and as of recent years have experienced low attendance. A greater level of social distancing can be achieved given the low numbers attending yet large number of seats available.

I could be wrong, but they're just my thoughts.

faceman · 29-06-2020 07:46PM

Hurrache wrote: »

You can limit the number of people in pubs, which is what is being done. You can't just do that in schools.

Children may be low risk, but the vast majority go home to families, who aren't all children.

Pubs are not essential. They are a social outlet. What scientific measure was used to determine that need for a €9 meal? And what scientific measure was used to give comfort with reducing social distancing to 1m? Why isn’t that applied elsewhere? Why are more people permitted in a bar than a supermarket per m2?

It’s nonsense. It’s not based on any science.

Children aren’t spreaders to other children or adults. That’s been well documented in a number of studies. Risk is extremely low.

faceman · 29-06-2020 07:47PM

VonLuck wrote: »

Here's my take on it. Children are much less likely to follow guidance measures and therefore are at increased risk of transmitting the virus.

As for churches, these are generally large open spaces and as of recent years have experienced low attendance. A greater level of social distancing can be achieved given the low numbers attending yet large number of seats available.

I could be wrong, but they're just my thoughts.

Children aren’t secondary spreadsheets. Very low risk of spreading to adults.

Thanks for the correction re churches.

Idiot boy · 29-06-2020 07:49PM

Why don't we just serve everyone one who tests positive a 9 euro meal and stamp out this virus once and for all....

Captain_Crash · 29-06-2020 08:02PM

Enjoying a pint of plain in a nice D6 pub. I walked in without a booking and don’t need to order food. No Perspex screens up and a nice atmosphere in the place..... it’s good to be back

ednwireland · 29-06-2020 08:13PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I got a pop up on my phone that Tony is concerned about the new cases. Are they in the hundreds? Does anyone know more about these? Is the virus in community transmission? Are there geographical clusters?

you dont actually want some useful information from holohan apart from fear and panic do you?

FintanMcluskey · 29-06-2020 08:31PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Whatever I think about pubs, tourism and the economy, the biggest disgrace is what is happening with childrens education.

Yes its completely destructive to the kids futures.

Long gaps in childrens education's leads to higher drop out rates and lower engagement levels in work and study in later life. According to a Prof Luke O Neills article in the Independent a few months ago.

Realistically all educational facilities should be open all Summer if even only for reduced groups but have staff present 5 days, different groups of kids attended on different days. Use adaptability and foresight to plan it.

Ginger n Lemon · 29-06-2020 08:32PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Enjoying a pint of plain in a nice D6 pub. I walked in without a booking and don’t need to order food. No Perspex screens up and a nice atmosphere in the place..... it’s good to be back

I am so happy reading this

:):)

This is one of those Shawshank redemption escape moments... we crawled through a pipe full of "I have a cause for concern" "We are not there yet" "The new normal" "Would you have some cop on" - only to come out clean on the other side. And its good to hear normality.

Haircut, pints, Italian dinner on my to do list this week. Cant wait

Ginger n Lemon · 29-06-2020 08:37PM

Anyone heard WHO recent update?

They say Pandemic has barely just started. Fintan, time to lock up our children :pac:

Seriously, WHO is basically Tony Cervical Check H x1000

Assetbacked · 29-06-2020 08:52PM

It must be part of a fundraising drive for the WHO to make such statements.

stephenjmcd · 29-06-2020 08:55PM

The European Union commission has deemed 14 countries safe to let into the EU.
Algeria
Australia
Canada
Georgia
Japan
Montenegro
Morocco
New Zealand
Rwanda
Serbia
South Korea
Thiland
Tunisia
Uruguay
China could yet be added.

EU border controls are to be lifted from 1st of July for all EU citizens. Good luck to the CMO dragging out travel for much longer after that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53222356

MickeyLeari · 29-06-2020 08:57PM

BBMcQ wrote: »

What’s the work from home advice for phase 4? Are we just back to normal?

The policy is to continue to work from home (if you can). Employers will need to provide a safe working environment.

FintanMcluskey · 29-06-2020 08:57PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

It must be part of a fundraising drive for the WHO to make such statements.

Yeah he didn't seem to worried about the 4.5m that starved to death during the same length of time as the Covid pandemic began. Only a Covid death is tragic of course

MickeyLeari · 29-06-2020 09:00PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The European Union commission has deemed 14 countries safe to let into the EU.
Algeria
Australia
Canada
Georgia
Japan
Montenegro
Morocco
New Zealand
Rwanda
Serbia
South Korea
Thiland
Tunisia
Uruguay
China could yet be added.

EU border controls are to be lifted from 1st of July for all EU citizens. Good luck to the CMO dragging out travel for much longer after that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53222356

This is what happens when you stay behind the curve.

- He was behind the curve on nursing homes.
- He was behind the curve on masks.
- He is behind the curve on travel.

I read he is telling people not or travel abroad even if they have bookings. Is the State going to reimburse people for travel already booked (in my case going back to 2019).

faceman · 29-06-2020 09:14PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Anyone heard WHO recent update?

They say Pandemic has barely just started. Fintan, time to lock up our children :pac:

Seriously, WHO is basically Tony Cervical Check H x1000

I agree with the WHO. The US is goosed. It’s already been said they are at the point of no return. The virus is out of control and the healthcare system will collapse.

Some South American countries aren’t far behind. Russia is a shambles and we can’t trust data from China. India and Pakistan aren’t under control yet but I’m not as familiar with their data and gov approach so can’t speak for certain.

Add that all up and you have a sizeable chunk of the planet’s population

greensheep777 · 29-06-2020 09:18PM

VonLuck wrote: »

Here's my take on it. Children are much less likely to follow guidance measures and therefore are at increased risk of transmitting the virus.

As for churches, these are generally large open spaces and as of recent years have experienced low attendance. A greater level of social distancing can be achieved given the low numbers attending yet large number of seats available.

I could be wrong, but they're just my thoughts.

Multiple EU countries have had schools reopened for weeks, if not months - care to explain how they haven't had huge spikes so? Is it another case of Ireland being special?

Akesh · 29-06-2020 09:20PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

This is what happens when you stay behind the curve.

- He was behind the curve on nursing homes.
- He was behind the curve on masks.
- He is behind the curve on travel.

I read he is telling people not or travel abroad even if they have bookings. Is the State going to reimburse people for travel already booked (in my case going back to 2019).

Telling people not to travel is not a wise move. Either they should ban recreational travel or not. I suspect they will have to impose a lockdown again at some point as soon as people begin traveling again.

The prudent thing to do would be to stop people undertaking unnecessary travel but I think that it beyond the ability of our civil service and government.

Leaders make the tough decisions, we've made none so far. The initial failure to lockdown foreign travel caused this mess so it's beggars belief that we will be heading back to square one again.

RoryMac · 29-06-2020 09:24PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

This is what happens when you stay behind the curve.

- He was behind the curve on nursing homes.
- He was behind the curve on masks.
- He is behind the curve on travel.

I read he is telling people not or travel abroad even if they have bookings. Is the State going to reimburse people for travel already booked (in my case going back to 2019).

The last moan from Dr Death before the government open everything else up. I'm sure he'll be doing the rounds on RTE for the next few weeks warning the sky will fall but not being asked the important questions about failing to protect the nursing and care homes at the start of this.

greensheep777 · 29-06-2020 09:28PM

RoryMac wrote: »

The last moan from Dr Death before the government open everything else up. I'm sure he'll be doing the rounds on RTE for the next few weeks warning the sky will fall but not being asked the important questions about failing to protecting the nursing and care homes at the start of this.

I wonder how many women will die on his watch because they couldn't get cervical screenings when they needed them. Oh well, didn't bother him last time.

MickeyLeari · 29-06-2020 09:30PM

Akesh wrote: »

Telling people not to travel is not a wise move. Either they should ban recreational travel or not. I suspect they will have to impose a lockdown again at some point as soon as people begin traveling again.

The prudent thing to do would be to stop people undertaking unnecessary travel but I think that it beyond the ability of our civil service and government.

Leaders make the tough decisions, we've made none so far. The initial failure to lockdown foreign travel caused this mess so it's beggars belief that we will be heading back to square one again.

The EU are developing an air bridge system and they are developing protocols for airports. Combine this with testing - mandatory and risk based.

Instead, they have their heads in the sand rather than embracing a system with safeguards.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings