Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

bucketybuck wrote: »

Just like the population isn't dead, it will bounce back again, no? What odds some casualties along the way, right?

Thousands of businesses gone and people's lives in ruins, just some casualties along the way. :rolleyes:

Please stop trying to put words in my mouth.

polesheep wrote: »

Frankly, that's not good enough. If they conceal information then they cannot be trusted. I can understand their apprehension around opening up for international travel but I cannot accept manipulation. And that's what this talk of 'travel issues' amounts to.

The information is available, but the NPHET Doctors on their tweets prefer to go with abstract graphics and no context as that suits their narrative and looks more dramatic. Adding as always that they are 'gravely concerned' and other dramatic and scaremongering tactics.

Here's a graphic from the HPSC showing the actual numbers, and not percentages. The numbers are insignificant.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

...signing 3 month private hospital deal in March. by 1 May it was evident that they will remain empty and that theres been no overwhelming of ICUs or hospitals. why not sign a monthly rolling contract instead? And terminate it end of April?? that would save 230 million to the state immediately.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-three-private-hospitals-took-no-patients-1.4253584?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fcovid-19-three-private-hospitals-took-no-patients-1.4253584

Covid-19: Three private hospitals took no patients in April at the height of crisis.

It brings me no joy to highlight this btw, its just an embarrassment.

Jesus, you're some man for the hindsight.

1) There were 19 hospitals in the deal, only three took no patients in April which is 15%

2) If they took your method and went for a rolling contract, then it likely would have cost more than 115m per month (longer term contracts tend to get better rates).

So say it's 130m month, rolling. Well in May, there was still a need for the hospitals. So now we've paid 260m. In June, there is still that need, so now it's 390m. Well done, you've just cost the State an additional 45m.

(Deal was ****e in the first place but that's another matter)

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Also, you want me to stay in Ireland this summer and spend all my money on overpriced hotels? Am i the tourist now in my own country?? Mad beyond belief.

Wow. For all your talk of getting the economy up & running again, you've really done yourself a number here.

Naos wrote: »

Jesus, you're some man for the hindsight.

1) There were 19 hospitals in the deal, only three took no patients in April which is 15%

2) If they took your method and went for a rolling contract, then it likely would have cost more than 115m per month (longer term contracts tend to get better rates).

So say it's 130m month, rolling. Well in May, there was still a need for the hospitals. So now we've paid 260m. In June, there is still that need, so now it's 390m. Well done, you've just cost the State an additional 45m.

(Deal was ****e in the first place but that's another matter)



Wow. For all your talk of getting the economy up & running again, you've really done yourself a number here.

:D:D

Just stop there @ in bold.

And no, say a rolling monthly contract at 130m per month, discontinue it end of April - done and dusted. Save the state 200m + euros. Rolling monthly contract has nothing to do with hindsight, its just smart planning.

Why did we pay 115m euros for private hospitals in June? All of those 16 hospitals had less covid patients than nurses..... But thanks for acknowledging the deal was shi*e anyways.

I am not sure what to say on the last part, I am sorry for living only once and going abroad in 2020?

Assetbacked wrote: »

Some good news stories today in the IT;

"GAA Covid-19 advisor describes risks of return to play as ‘very, very low’" https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-covid-19-advisor-describes-risks-of-return-to-play-as-very-very-low-1.4291644

"Shops free to reopen, national travel allowed under biggest easing of Covid-19 restrictions" https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/shops-free-to-reopen-national-travel-allowed-under-biggest-easing-of-covid-19-restrictions-1.4290970

I walked into a pub for my lunch earlier today, without a booking, which was nice as it felt quite normal. There were about a dozen others in as well having food.

Same as myself no booking given a choice of where to sit, exactly like it would have been any other lunch time before March

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They stated the sources were people arriving from Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Portugal, Sweden, Ukraine, the United Kingdom and the US

So 11 cases from 8 countries.. Seems to be statistically irrelevant, there's no common denominator, no context.
How many people traveled into Ireland?
It seems that traffic is down 99.9% in DUB, last year 33M people passed through Dublin airport so that means 2.7k people traveled through Dublin airport each month during the pandemic.
11 people were infected, out of 2.7k travelers, that's 0.4%.

Naos wrote: »

Was there any covid patients in private hospitals in June?

NP at acknowledgement.

I really dont know. I dont thinkso. Active cases around 500-1k at start of June. Reducing by 200 - 250 per week, so maybe in first week of June.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

24 new cases today. 0 deaths. 3 new cases yesterday.

Country of 4,900,000.

Still have businesses closed..... governments guidelines. Road map. What a load of nonsense.

Sunday is always low. What's the breakdown of age this time?

Before anyone comes at me, I’ll preface this by saying I have reservations for every Saturday between now and the August bank holiday weekend at local bars/pubs, so I am supporting the hospitality industry and I’m not staying at home because of this.

But can anyone explain the logic in only allowing 90 minute slots for each booking? Won’t that mean that there will be far more people in and out of each premises than say, if you could book a table for a night? Or even for say a 3/4 hour block?
By limiting each group to 90 minutes surely that heightens the risk because there will be far more people traffic in and out of each place?

It’s one thing I genuinely can’t see the logic in.
It also means a lot of people are going to do bar crawls, they’ll make 4/5 bookings in several different places just so that they can stay out for a few hours.
Logically, I would have thought one group at one table in one premises for the night would be safer & less risky than one group moving from venue to venue, and a lot more risky footfall for each bar/pub?

I’m desperate for a bit of normality so I’ll go anyway regardless but I think this is one of the stupidest, most illogical rules I’ve ever seen.

SusieBlue wrote: »

Before anyone comes at me, I’ll preface this by saying I have reservations for every Saturday between now and the August bank holiday weekend at local bars/pubs, so I am supporting the hospitality industry and I’m not staying at home because of this.

But can anyone explain the logic in only allowing 90 minute slots for each booking? Won’t that mean that there will be far more people in and out of each premises than say, if you could book a table for a night? Or even for say a 3/4 hour block?
By limiting each group to 90 minutes surely that heightens the risk because there will be far more people traffic in and out of each place?

It’s one thing I genuinely can’t see the logic in.
It also means a lot of people are going to do bar crawls, they’ll make 4/5 bookings in several different places just so that they can stay out for a few hours.
Logically, I would have thought one group at one table in one premises for the night would be safer & less risky than one group moving from venue to venue, and a lot more risky footfall for each bar/pub?

I’m desperate for a bit of normality so I’ll go anyway regardless but I think this is one of the stupidest, most illogical rules I’ve ever seen.

I'm guessing the time is limited so people don't get totally sloshed and lax about social distancing etc. As you say people could book multiple places but doubt all would be bothered

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

24 new cases today. 0 deaths. 3 new cases yesterday.

Country of 4,900,000.

Still have businesses closed..... governments guidelines. Road map. What a load of nonsense.

And Dr Tony in a panic already.

Very concerned he is seemingly. Possibility to go back a few steps will be the next words from Dr Tony

Swedish newspaper report on new cases and deaths since 26th.

Total cases 67,677. 2,530 new cases since the 26th.
Deaths 5,310. Increase of 30 since 26th.
With how Sweden report that is not necessarily all new cases or death since the 26th