Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Wait - so we need to end the restrictions to re-open business to get the economy back up and running, and hang the vulnerable. Ok - that's a view, and not too uncommon.

But when restrictions are lifted, you, personally, can't be arsed actually spending you money in the Irish economy, and will instead try to spend it in Spain or France or Greece instead.

Wow.

Nice to see you chipping in with your daily contributions.

It must hurt you greatly there is still no 2nd wave in any European countries. But I am sure you will come here when French R number rises :D:D

Trust me, I am not in receipt of 203 euros or 350 euros and have never been, I will spend money in Ireland regardless. If you want me to spend money in Ireland only - I have some bad news for you.

Deleted User wrote: »

Believe Irekand is the only place with restrictions remaining?

Italy
“Bars and restaurants started sit-down service 1 June. Retailers, museums and libraries opened 18 May, with salons and gyms opened 1 June. Schools, nurseries, day cares and summer camps remained closed, but schools will resume in September.

Social distancing rules are still in effect”

Some things there that we have opened that are still closed in Italy. Most of the rest is similar.Can do the same for more places if you wish. The accepted wisdom on here appears to be that mainland Europe is a free for all

The question is nothing to do with other countries. It is a question purely based off the levels of the virus in Ireland currently.
None of your post addressed the straight question.

Deleted User wrote: »

Why do you always peddle doom and gloom? 145,000 back to work already and the biggest phase in reopening starts today. This is positive news.

Went to a local restaurant this morning for breakfast. 9 staff and the owner at work. 32 staff across the roster working this week. Cheerful atmosphere as they were delighted to be back. Customers had a great experience. We sat at the next table to the first customer served, and the chef came out from the kitchen to thank him personally for having gotten the first plate of food he served in 3 months. Great to see

No i am actually curious as I thought we had more staff working in Retail shops + shopping centres than restaurants, gyms and barbers?

Irish retail sector employs 285,000, Irish retail is also biggest contributor to the exchequer, generating 23% of tax receipts.

I have a feeling that is higher than 72k restaurants employees, and whatever barbers + gyms employees?? 40% of pubs, that employ 50k, is like what 20k? Doesnt feel like even a half of retail sector??

I am very happy a customer got a meal btw.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Very expensive PR window dressing with real world consequences.



This doesn't at all address the point made, perhaps you misquoted?

To pick up on one thing though, it is rather revealing that you say "the economic effects were going to be severe irrespective of what was done." In other words, just shrug your shoulders and sure what can we do, yeah?

Yes the effects will be severe no matter what, but that does not mean we cannot mitigate and reduce those effects as best we can, and that what we do now could save thousands of families further down the line.

Your attitude seems to be that we knew the boat was going to sink so why bother trying to save any passengers.

That is a beautiful quote. I fully agree with your post btw. And yes thats been the strategy all along, forget saving jobs or preserving jobs, just pay average Joe who is out of work 350 euro a week and hope he wont get mad, dont worry about future generations having to deal with burden of debt.

A lot of countries never shut down construction sector.... That is just an example of how lazy and shi*e our govts approach has been. I've seen empty trains drive up and down every day from March to few weeks ago, why? Well they carry essential workers! They are 99% empty, and carry 1 - 2 passengers per 14 carriages, but thats alright. For months.... the waste in taxpayers funds spending is incomprehensible.

Deleted User wrote: »

So when people truly need to get somewhere, they can

Yes. Do they need 10 extra empty carriages though?

Also, why has the schedule remained constant throughout? Why has private sector realised that driving busses from A - B is not viable on normal schedule for business survival when there is 1 passenger per 5 journeys and cut the number of trips, while Irish Rail has continued to get them 4 - 6 trains going between 7 and 9 AM each morning, with 99% of them being completely empty for 2 months +?

Same applies to empty Dublin bus driving up and down on normal schedule for months wasting petrol.

Listen we disagree on many things, but you cant deny that theres been a huge amount of taxpayers funds wasted during this pandemic. If this is forgotten it will happen again. And Ireland will never actually develop or progress as a nation if we have incompetent politicians running the show with no accountability.

Another example is - signing 3 month private hospital deal in March. by 1 May it was evident that they will remain empty and that theres been no overwhelming of ICUs or hospitals. why not sign a monthly rolling contract instead? And terminate it end of April?? that would save 230 million to the state immediately.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-three-private-hospitals-took-no-patients-1.4253584?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fcovid-19-three-private-hospitals-took-no-patients-1.4253584

Covid-19: Three private hospitals took no patients in April at the height of crisis.

It brings me no joy to highlight this btw, its just an embarrassment.

Penfailed wrote: »

Tourism WILL bounce back. It's not dead. Our stunning coastlines, castles, mountains, stone circles, etc., etc. are going nowhere. It'll all still be there when this settles down.

The mountains will still be there, a huge amount of the businesses will not.

Such a blase attitude from a lot of people, clearly they are not the ones with their cash flow decimated and their business about to hit the wall.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Can someone please explain to me why are we so concerned with foreign tourists when below is happening in our own back yard?

"Dubliners voice disgust as hundreds break lockdown restrictions for session in St Stephens Green

‘Here not to be that person but what the f*** was that in Stephen’s green tonight ?? People are still dying the virus isn’t gone and not one single f*** was given. I just watched a video of a conga line. Clearly none of them has had sick relatives or friends,’ wrote one Twitter user.

https://extra.ie/2020/06/26/news/irish-news/hundreds-rave-st-stephens-green

And ministers are concerned with foreign travel? You can see why one would laugh at Ireland cant you

Because we can trace our own numbers and the infection rate is very low here. Add in other countries and it gets complicated, for example the uk visitors. The UK has no idea on its number of cases

What’s the work from home advice for phase 4? Are we just back to normal?

bucketybuck wrote: »

The mountains will still be there, a huge amount of the businesses will not.

Such a blase attitude from a lot of people, clearly they are not the ones with their cash flow decimated and their business about to hit the wall.

If businesses close, others will open up to fill the gap.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

How does that address the concern of over 400k + still receiving 350 euros a week by 28th of June, when as at 28th of June only following have been closed?? (i am open to corrections on below figures btw)

Pubs : 50k employees
Restaurants: 72k employees
Barbers : 20k employees (wild guess, being generous here)
Gyms : 10k employees
Cinemas : 5k employees
Hotels: 50k (assumption)

That adds up to 207k? 400k less 207 k = 193 k people who have been allowed to go back to work but have not went back to work.

Is that a cause for concern? For me it absolutely is.

Actually many hotels and restaurants are letting people go . With reduced capacity they don’t need all staff back at the moment

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Hey welcome back!

Can you update us on how are things in Germany?

A bit tired reading Irish times, they always preach 2nd wave or surge in cases... you know, 5 cases today, 15 cases tomorrow, "Huge spike in new cases" Irish journalism.

Oh yeah, I keep seeing Irish people spouting on about some huge German second wave because some restrictions were lifted. Truth is - yes there were outbreaks in a couple of meat plants. Like what happened in Ireland while there were much heavier restrictions. Also one outbreak in an apartment block in Berlin during Romanian Pentecost. Supposedly these were apartments with up to 10 people living in them. But Irish people almost seem delighted about these small outbreaks so they can point at them as an excuse not to lift restrictions in Ireland.

Germany is doing great. I got my hair done mid-May (along with everyone else in the salon at the time) and have been in the pub every weekend since then too. I go on public transport, I go to the shops. I'm back in the gym since they opened (weeks ago). And so are most people. Everything is back busy again.

I am horrified at the fearmongering throughout the Irish media. But frightened people are the easiest to control, so it seems it has a purpose.