Masks

sheepsh4gger · 28-06-2020 11:36PM

Cinemas are reopening tomorrow. They don't require masking. Great, they are the worst possible place not to have masking. I bet they will get outbreaks.

Away With The Fairies · 28-06-2020 11:38PM

Yes: valved

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

Cinemas are reopening tomorrow. They don't require masking. Great, they are the worst possible place not to have masking. I bet they will get outbreaks.

No natural ventilation in a cinema, it will be one of the worst places.

Seanergy · 29-06-2020 12:07AM

Yes: valved

After all the faceshield chat today I'm in the mood to share a few masks we haven't shown on thread. In other news The Asthma Society of Ireland is calling on the new government to insert explicit exemptions into any mandatory masking regulations.

designboom link Love this see through hood design.

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biovyzr link Fund the project get a mask option.

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LEAF Mask Fund the project get a mask option.

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Really love the concept of the fold away cap mask from the bring your own mask project by HyperAktiv where 41 swiss designers were invited to redesign the protection mask.

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An avant garde collection boardering on weak but none the less good food for thought. Nothing like this being embarked on in Ireland by fashionista's or product/industrial design heads.

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RoYoBo · 29-06-2020 12:16AM

Yes: valved

I really like the clear mask. It would be great for the deaf community relying on lip reading for a start. Might be less scary for schoolkids too if the teachers wore them. Or childcare workers.

Some of the others are pretty mad looking and I can't see them catching on here anyway.

sheepsh4gger · 29-06-2020 01:43AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

No natural ventilation in a cinema, it will be one of the worst places.

The air just recirculates inside, it's a closed environment . IMHO there should be a backlash against them opening.

weldoninhio · 29-06-2020 07:56AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

First bus of the morning. Only 3 people wearing masks out of 20+. Wonder if bus 2 will have more.

Sofa King Great · 29-06-2020 08:24AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

First bus of the morning. Only 3 people wearing masks out of 20+. Wonder if bus 2 will have more.

I would be willing to bet that plenty of people have masks with them and just aren't putting them on because nobody else has one on

sheepsh4gger · 29-06-2020 08:33AM

Sofa King Great wrote: »

I would be willing to bet that plenty of people have masks with them and just aren't putting them on because nobody else has one on

Or they will get robbed for the mask. Or a Karen that doesn't know there's no longer a shortage of PPE will throw a fit.

I want it to be socially acceptable to wear a mask that actually protects you, not a surgical mask or your old underwear.

sheepsh4gger · 29-06-2020 08:54AM

By the way the doctors in Wuhan were getting sick via the eyes so you should wear eye protection if you talk to people.

weldoninhio · 29-06-2020 09:01AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Second bus, only about 10 people. 1 wearing a mask.

ShyMets · 29-06-2020 09:13AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

By the way the doctors in Wuhan were getting sick via the eyes so you should wear eye protection if you talk to people.

Thank God I wear glasses:)

Seanergy · 29-06-2020 09:15AM

Yes: valved

You've mentioned mask robbing a few times now, I haven't seen nor heard of a mask robbing in Ireland. Not really the safest thing to rob though is it?

High end PPE is essential in heavily loaded environment's and their is a worldwide shortage of high end PPE make no mistake about that. Alot of respirator's, like your man had in your video, only insert clean air and expel dirty air so they are not socially friendly.

What we are being asked to wear now though should not be referenced as PPE. It is community protective equipment, CPE, if we all contribute, the environmnet remains clear and we are all protected.

I feel your point though, wearing any heavy rig on your moucher is not socially acceptable and it should be, but if it ain't got an exit filter then maybe it shouldn't be? for tight confined closed circuit air spaces like cinema's? or in tight communal limited air volume spaces like buses?

The face of PPE is changing fast because the demand is there. Little tweaks by inventors will make life saving differences, think aout the car pre automatic windshield wipers. If your into making your own and want high end protection this vid is probably where it is at, it's all directional though, tweaks and improvements are there for us all to make if we want to jack up our protection levels from cloth face coverings.

Seanergy · 29-06-2020 10:09AM

Yes: valved

RoYoBo wrote: »

I really like the clear mask. It would be great for the deaf community relying on lip reading for a start. Might be less scary for schoolkids too if the teachers wore them. Or childcare workers.

Some of the others are pretty mad looking and I can't see them catching on here anyway.

Mad ones are needed to make the normal look less mad

Yeah less scary for the kids. Also all the teachers I've spoken too want to be able to see the kids mouths, can't see the blackout mask being popular for schools, the future is clear.

Schools have been preoccupied with the 2m rule and oversized classrooms, they are not addressing air hygiene and hand washing as much. It might come down to just teachers wearing a face shield

is_that_so · 29-06-2020 10:18AM

No: other

Seanergy wrote: »

Mad ones are needed to make the normal look less mad

Yeah less scary for the kids. Also all the teachers I've spoken too want to be able to see the kids mouths, can't see the blackout mask being popular for schools, the future is clear.

Schools have been preoccupied with the 2m rule and oversized classrooms, they are not addressing air hygiene and hand washing as much. It might come down to just teachers wearing a face shield

Think hand hygiene is a normal thing they do anyway so less of a concern. Face shields muffle your voice quite a bit.

sheepsh4gger · 29-06-2020 10:18AM

CPE stands for Customer Premises Equipment. When you order a phone line and you're leasing the handset or modem connected to it.

That shopping bag idea is still the same thing as wrapping old underwear around your face. It's just a 100% plastic cloth. Particle size matters.

I would say creating masks that don't work is counter-productive. Also just saying 'wear masks' is wrong because you will get infected through eyes.

Wear a JSP mask and googles instead of trying to re-invent the wheel:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JSP-Force-8-Reusable-Half-mask-with-PressToCheck-P3-Filters-New-and-Sealed/293630339170?epid=22032166146&hash=item445dbb6862:g:ZREAAOSwONte95LK

sheepsh4gger · 29-06-2020 10:22AM

My preference would be to wear one of these:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-NATO-GAS-MASK-RESPIRATOR-P3-NBC-FULL-PANORAMIC-EN136-SPERIAN/174251182146?hash=item28922e0842:g:GDEAAOSwcuNeUFK4

But I bet some entailed local council Karen would file a report about it scaring her kids or some other nonsense.

Tork · 29-06-2020 10:26AM

Yes: to protect others

Getting people to wear any sort of mark is going to be an uphill battle. They're not being worn in supermarkets, they're not on buses. I doubt the trains are any different.

Seanergy · 29-06-2020 11:02AM

Yes: valved

is_that_so wrote: »

Think hand hygiene is a normal thing they do anyway so less of a concern. Face shields muffle your voice quite a bit.

They do it anyway but to what standard? I remember washing my hands as a kid in school in the depth of winter, the water is fricking freezing, returning to the classroom with frozen fingers to write lessons just was zero crack. Kids will be dodging hand washing resulting in poor hand hygiene.

Lack of warm water in majority of school taps is not being addressed and should be a concern. I know unicef have produced their publication cold V warm water for hand washing achieves the same result. Warm water for hand washing is what HSE have always reccommended, makes lathering soap easier, giving hand washers a visual to work with whilst cleaning.

I think you meant face coverings muffle your voice quite a bit? Indeed they do as we know the Gardai in 1 branch stopped using them for that very reason. These are all the things that I believe should be put to the industrial/product designers here in Ireland. HSE content to send billions out of the country and have logistical troubles to boot with there current approach. The style and function of masks needs updating.

This might sound completely over the top to some but the future will be hazmat style hoods with clear face areas with built in fans and mic's and a small speaker for amplifcation, obviously they will have internal speakers and the whole thing will be bluetooth wifi compatible.

polesheep · 29-06-2020 11:05AM

Seanergy wrote: »

They do it anyway but to what standard? I remember washing my hands as a kid in school in the depth of winter, the water is fricking freezing, returning to the classroom with frozen fingers to write lessons just was zero crack. Kids will be dodging hand washing resulting in poor hand hygiene.

Lack of warm water in majority of school taps is not being addressed and should be a concern. I know unicef have produced their publication cold V warm water for hand washing achieves the same result. Warm water for hand washing is what HSE have always reccommended, makes lathering soap easier, giving hand washers a visual to work with whilst cleaning.

I think you meant face coverings muffle your voice quite a bit? Indeed they do as we know the Gardai in 1 branch stopped using them for that very reason. These are all the things that I believe should be put to the industrial/product designers here in Ireland. HSE content to send billions out of the country and have logistical troubles to boot with there current approach. The style and function of masks needs updating.

This might sound completely over the top to some but the future will be hazmat style hoods with clear face areas with built in fans and mic's and a small speaker for amplifcation, obviously they will have internal speakers and the whole thing will be bluetooth wifi compatible.

And I was mocked for suggesting that some people want masks to be worn indefinitely.:rolleyes:

railer201 · 29-06-2020 11:11AM

Yes: valved

Tork wrote: »

Getting people to wear any sort of mark is going to be an uphill battle. They're not being worn in supermarkets, they're not on buses. I doubt the trains are any different.

It may not be such an uphill battle if there is a second surge and it eventually dawns on people that masks are the last throw of the dice and it's either 'mask it' or 'casket' !

Seanergy · 29-06-2020 11:18AM

Yes: valved

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I would say creating masks that don't work is counter-productive. Also just saying 'wear masks' is wrong because you will get infected through eyes.

Wear a JSP mask and googles instead of trying to re-invent the wheel:

Your preaching to someone who has used and owns a variety of respirators, none of which I would don in public during covid-19, sounds to me like your a virgin respirator wearer.

I have also made and distributed various masks from bra's and underwear to new cloth and shopping bags to friends and family. None of us caught covid-19 yet, thankfully.

If you haven't made a mask or two in the past few months you haven't learnt anything. We are waterlocked, 2 islands of Europe and a good slingshot from where 90% of masks are produced. Time and resources may not always be in your favour, educate yourself and you will be better prepared.

The wheel needs attention, stop trying to reinvent the spanner.

rob316 · 29-06-2020 11:20AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

My preference would be to wear one of these:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-NATO-GAS-MASK-RESPIRATOR-P3-NBC-FULL-PANORAMIC-EN136-SPERIAN/174251182146?hash=item28922e0842:g:GDEAAOSwcuNeUFK4

But I bet some entailed local council Karen would file a report about it scaring her kids or some other nonsense.

You shouldn't go outside if you feel the need to wear something like that. Absolutely ridiculous

Seanergy · 29-06-2020 11:36AM

Yes: valved

polesheep wrote: »

And I was mocked for suggesting that some people want masks to be worn indefinitely.:rolleyes:

Don't see any need for you to 1liner my post with a mock! Definitely no reference to forever ever land in post. On a mask's thread I need to include the words 'of masks wearing' when I say the future?

All I am hearing in Ireland is excuses this and excuses that.

If supply is an excuse we should change supplier, if no other suitable supplier available to meet our strict demands we should make our own, if not being able to see a moist mouth clear screens should be added, if not being able to breath comfortably fans should be added, if not being able to hear properly, mics and speakers should be added.

It's only a jump for someone who is sitting on their ass.

polesheep · 29-06-2020 11:41AM

Seanergy wrote: »

Don't see any need for you to 1liner my post with a mock! Definitely no reference to forever ever land in post. On a mask's thread I need to include the words 'of masks wearing' when I say the future?

All I am hearing in Ireland is excuses this and excuses that.

If supply is an excuse we should change supplier, if no other suitable supplier available to meet our strict demands we should make our own, if not being able to see a moist mouth clear screens should be added, if not being able to breath comfortably fans should be added, if not being able to hear properly, mics and speakers should be added.

It's only a jump for someone who is sitting on their ass.

Mea culpa. I was a fool to have taken you seriously.

otnomart · 29-06-2020 11:53AM

Hopefully those who will travel abroad this summer will get used to wearing masks over there and then bring the good habit back home.

Away With The Fairies · 29-06-2020 12:01PM

Yes: valved

otnomart wrote: »

Hopefully those who will travel abroad this summer will get used to wearing masks over there and then bring the good habit back home.

I hope it's the only thing they bring home.

Seanergy · 29-06-2020 12:02PM

Yes: valved

polesheep wrote: »

Mea culpa. I was a fool to have taken you seriously.

If you want to credit me for you being a fool I suppose I could live with that.

So what have you learnt so far regarding masks during this pandemic, anything?

Supply was an issue was it not? So should we change our approach to this or just relax and not think about it and see what happens in the future?

What anout the excuses for mask wearing that are popping up? Should we look at seeing how we can correct these problems so that they will not present themselves again?

We have time on our side with low transmission, now is the time to learn from our what happened regarding mask during the pandemic so as to have ourselves better prepared for the future?

Seanergy · 29-06-2020 12:09PM

Yes: valved

otnomart wrote: »

Hopefully those who will travel abroad this summer will get used to wearing masks over there and then bring the good habit back home.

Majority are going to a hot country for sun? Not my first choice if I was to be wearing a mask.

Hopefully those who travel here will not travel here just because we have a lax mask policy. That's what we are selling, after all, Ireland unmasked.

29-06-2020 12:23PM

Yes: surgical

Boxes of 50 disposables available currently in Lidl, abt €35, for anyone interested.

sheepsh4gger · 29-06-2020 12:41PM

rob316 wrote: »

You shouldn't go outside if you feel the need to wear something like that. Absolutely ridiculous

It protects your eyes where as a half-mask doesn't.

The first wave is still in progress. The second wave in October will be probably the worst.

I still can't believe they opened theaters and cinemas.

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