Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Ginger n Lemon · 28-06-2020 10:22PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah lord jeasus, stop the world and let me off.

The bizzare overreaction to this is utterly depressing, this rubbish could end up going on for years.

Im sure if we strapped ourselves on to a bed indefinitely and interveniously fed nutrients and medication we could all live until 150

Brilliant

Ginger n Lemon · 28-06-2020 10:42PM

GocRh wrote: »

Let's not forget that our GDP is artificially propped up by MNCs, capital that doesn't directly translate to real economic output. A fall of 10-12% in GDP is an immense fall in the real economy output, it wouldn't surprise me if the real number is closer to 20%.

Given what Ive read over the last 6 to 8 weeks and what Ive seen today in Dublin city centre, things are unfortunately very very dire and Id say 15% fall in GDP will be a minimum.

But you are spot on, we are snookered.

Stark · 28-06-2020 10:49PM

Lyle wrote: »

Some analysis of businesses that had an outbreak scenario or a cluster of cases recommend that music or whatever else playing through the speakers in businesses should be very low volume or off, to prevent people from having to speak in any louder a voice than is necessary, and therefore prevent them from potentially expectorating more droplets out into the air, particularly in rooms or buildings with crap ventilation.

One of the potential upsides of this. No more loud music in pubs when they reopen!

hmmm · 28-06-2020 11:06PM

Lyle wrote: »

Some analysis of businesses that had an outbreak scenario or a cluster of cases recommend that music or whatever else playing through the speakers in businesses should be very low volume or off, to prevent people from having to speak in any louder a voice than is necessary, and therefore prevent them from potentially expectorating more droplets out into the air, particularly in rooms or buildings with crap ventilation.

Hadn't heard of that before but it makes lots of sense. A combination of being indoors, close contact and the types of droplets generated by speech seem to be particularly common in super-spreading events which have been investigated - particularly a call-centre in Korea and choirs in Amsterdam and Washington.

Lyle · 28-06-2020 11:21PM

hmmm wrote: »

Hadn't heard of that before but it makes lots of sense. A combination of being indoors, close contact and the types of droplets generated by speech seem to be particularly common in super-spreading events which have been investigated - particularly a call-centre in Korea and choirs in Amsterdam and Washington.

I've actually just seen it in this article in this thread as well:

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058091434/1/#post113879680

I've not seen it in any serious scientific or peer reviewed studies or anything, just a kind of anecdotal response but I think it holds water in certain settings, definitely.

charlie14 · 28-06-2020 11:36PM

hmmm wrote: »

Hadn't heard of that before but it makes lots of sense. A combination of being indoors, close contact and the types of droplets generated by speech seem to be particularly common in super-spreading events which have been investigated - particularly a call-centre in Korea and choirs in Amsterdam and Washington.

The Japanese have done a lot of research into this.
They closed their Karaoke bars at the start of their outbreak because of that research.
Researchers from other countries could not understand why there were so few cases associated with Japan`s often packed public commuter transports until they were told by Japan that to converse on public transport was considered extreme bad manners.

Sheepdish1 · 29-06-2020 12:07AM

Lyle wrote: »

At some point, if we don't get a relatively quick road out with some form of treatment, the evidence of masks may build to a point where they're universally accepted as helpful, and then they could turn the tunes back on!?

It seems excessive for a shopping centre and it probably isn't the reason, I've just seen it mentioned here and there. I get it if you're in an upstairs bar/restaurant/cafe or somewhere where people sit for a while and talk, it might have a helpful influence. Seems a bit daft in a space as big as a shopping centre.

I’ve wondered if masks aren’t being made mandatory as it would give off a bad ‘image’ with everyone walking around with masks. I know that sounds silly but photographs of Grafton street or shopping centres may put off people going out and spending. More so from a physiological point of view (even though it could physically be safer)! Just a thought!

ZX7R · 29-06-2020 12:11AM

Welcome to phase 3 everybody....

CalamariFritti · 29-06-2020 12:23AM

...make yourself comfortable in our lovely madhouse.

Where life will never be the same and we all are PPE'd up and no music and please don't speak so loud cos thats super spreader stuff.

dalyboy · 29-06-2020 01:23AM

Lyle wrote: »

I've actually just seen it in this article in this thread as well:

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058091434/1/#post113879680

I've not seen it in any serious scientific or peer reviewed studies or anything, just a kind of anecdotal response but I think it holds water in certain settings, definitely.

Then it’s just mumbo jumbo modelling again.

It’s the likes of this that has the world turned upside down lately. The Scientific method has been replaced with “data” or “analysis” and then the nodding sheep public alter their lives accordingly no matter how bizarre the results.

It’s like we’re living in an episode of the twilight zone.

mr_fegelien · 29-06-2020 03:51AM

Does anyone know if I'll be able to attend an appointment at a HSE Mental Health Clinic next month? I have one on July 21st but the letter says it might be on the phone.

average_runner · 29-06-2020 07:32AM

All bars in seven counties of California were shut yesterday after spike in corona. They opened two weeks ago.

29-06-2020 07:36AM

lukas8888 wrote: »

No doubt it is easy to be dismissive of the absolute devastation that is going to hit large sections of our economy,when as you already posted you are insulated from,thousands extra unemployed for probably years to come and no safety emigration net for our young.This short term blip that you refer to is fantasy.The only winners i see are as usual the sheltered areas of our economy such as the public service and the few like your self who are protected from the hardship ahead.

Yes my job is relatively safe. My wife however no longer has a job. So please don’t assume you know everything about a persons circumstances from a single post.

castletownman · 29-06-2020 08:01AM

average_runner wrote: »

All bars in seven counties of California were shut yesterday after spike in corona. They opened two weeks ago.

We aren't still using the ****show that is America as a barometer to measure our own opening up procedures?

Its funny how we never choose countries where there hasn't been an alarming spike in cases since re-opening as a comparison.

Worrying about whats going on in the abhorrently managed USA and using it as an example to remain closed here, would be like banning the lighting of any sort of outdoor fire in Ireland because Australia is prone to bush-fires. There are so many factors in play that makes one country worse than the other.

The number of new cases in this country are neglible.

FintanMcluskey · 29-06-2020 08:09AM

average_runner wrote: »

All bars in seven counties of California were shut yesterday after spike in corona. They opened two weeks ago.

Well if thats the case Ireland is doomed as essentially its exactly the same as California

Hannibal36 · 29-06-2020 08:14AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Well if thats the case Ireland is doomed as essentially its exactly the same as California

Whats funny about this virus is how political it is.Its a very intelligent virus,a real thinking virus,it seems to target liberal governed places the most.

GocRh · 29-06-2020 08:19AM

hmmm wrote: »

Hadn't heard of that before but it makes lots of sense. A combination of being indoors, close contact and the types of droplets generated by speech seem to be particularly common in super-spreading events which have been investigated - particularly a call-centre in Korea and choirs in Amsterdam and Washington.

On the flip side, went to arnotts yesterday and had to shout so I could be heard by the Nespresso cashier standing behind a protective plastic screen.
It seems that's normal and their employees have to shout all day to be understood.

29-06-2020 08:39AM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

Whats funny about this virus is how political it is.Its a very intelligent virus,a real thinking virus,it seems to target liberal governed places the most.

Have you see the top 5 infected counties?

29-06-2020 08:41AM

average_runner wrote: »

All bars in seven counties of California were shut yesterday after spike in corona. They opened two weeks ago.

California never got their cases low. Would be like us having opened in mid April

skelly22 · 29-06-2020 08:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have experienced it first hand as dozens of contractors where I work have been let go, some of whom I have worked with for years so fully understand the impact on people. It is as a result of the global situation however as the business my company is in is completely insulated from any economic hit in Ireland, and are still experiencing strong sales. My anger is towards the likes of these multinational companies who have strong, continually viable businesses who rather that show solidarity with their employees and the communities in which they are based, instead retreat into shareholder protection mode. These are the real villains, and as soon as personal and economic situation allows I will be looking to move to some employer that behaved more honourably during this mess.

Deleted User wrote: »

Brilliant selective quoting there

Which part do you prefer I quote? Maybe the bit where you say you fully understand the impact on people because you know others that have lost their jobs. Not really convincing though. Anyway, you may have revealed a little more about yourself than you intended but it fully explains why you and many others are happy to cheerlead ongoing restrictions.

stephenjmcd · 29-06-2020 08:42AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

California never got their cases low. Would be like us having opened in mid April

Exactly but to some this is unexplainable. The states ploughed on with reopening when causes were still stupidly high. All thanks to the orange clown in the white house

Hannibal36 · 29-06-2020 08:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you see the top 5 infected counties?

Counties or countries? Who would that be you are talking about?The states hit in the USA have almost been exclusively Democrat states.

29-06-2020 08:56AM

skelly22 wrote: »

Which part do you prefer I quote? Maybe the bit where you say you fully understand the impact on people because you know others that have lost their jobs. Not really convincing though. Anyway, you may have revealed a little more about yourself than you intended but it fully explains why you and many others are happy to cheerlead ongoing restrictions.

Reading comprehension an issue? Even large companies with little impact on their business are cutting spending due to the economic impact globally. Nothing to do with restrictions here at all. If you had read my follow on this page you would also see it had a large impact personally. My personal situation is no business of yours whatsoever though. And I don’t cheerlead restrictions. I challenge to bs that the economic impact is somehow in our control and that restrictions from March to June were not responsible for getting us in the position where we can reopen

skelly22 · 29-06-2020 09:24AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Reading comprehension an issue? Even large companies with little impact on their business are cutting spending due to the economic impact globally. Nothing to do with restrictions here at all. If you had read my follow on this page you would also see it had a large impact personally. My personal situation is no business of yours whatsoever though. And I don’t cheerlead restrictions. I challenge to bs that the economic impact is somehow in our control and that restrictions from March to June were not responsible for getting us in the position where we can reopen

Agreed, your personal situation is absolutely no business of mine. But it does help me better understand why you continue to cheerlead restrictions. You can word that any way you want but you can't pretend it's not true.

average_runner · 29-06-2020 09:39AM

castletownman wrote: »

We aren't still using the ****show that is America as a barometer to measure our own opening up procedures?

Its funny how we never choose countries where there hasn't been an alarming spike in cases since re-opening as a comparison.

Worrying about whats going on in the abhorrently managed USA and using it as an example to remain closed here, would be like banning the lighting of any sort of outdoor fire in Ireland because Australia is prone to bush-fires. There are so many factors in play that makes one country worse than the other.

The number of new cases in this country are neglible.

Not at all. Was just posting it as info. There has been spikes in a spain, france and germany last week, this will happen, it's how we manage it. It's down to us.

The virus is still here and low right now. We can only keep it that way if we do the right things when everything is open up. If not we will have phase 2. Pretty simple really. If no phase 2 we did everything responsible, if not then it's our own fault.

average_runner · 29-06-2020 09:39AM

castletownman wrote: »

We aren't still using the ****show that is America as a barometer to measure our own opening up procedures?

Its funny how we never choose countries where there hasn't been an alarming spike in cases since re-opening as a comparison.

Worrying about whats going on in the abhorrently managed USA and using it as an example to remain closed here, would be like banning the lighting of any sort of outdoor fire in Ireland because Australia is prone to bush-fires. There are so many factors in play that makes one country worse than the other.

The number of new cases in this country are neglible.

Not at all. Was just posting it as info. There has been spikes in a spain, france and germany last week, this will happen, it's how we manage it. It's down to us.

The virus is still here and low right now. We can only keep it that way if we do the right things when everything is open up. If not we will have phase 2. Pretty simple really. If no phase 2 we did everything responsible, if not then it's our own fault.

Captain_Crash · 29-06-2020 09:47AM

Hannibal36 wrote: »

The states hit in the USA have almost been exclusively Democrat states.

Just looking at data here on NPR.org and the 10 worst hit states by case number are split between 5 Democrat and 5 Republican states.

And of the fastest growing states i.e. highest rise in cases in the past two weeks, 4 or the top 5 are Republican states (and 8 out of the top 10). So your post is either made up, or pure lies.

is_that_so · 29-06-2020 10:13AM

Nolan and Coveney being very cautious about foreign travel.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0629/1150256-coronavirus-ireland/

polesheep · 29-06-2020 10:41AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Nolan and Coveney being very cautious about foreign travel.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0629/1150256-coronavirus-ireland/

They should give more details. What type of traveller are we talking about? Was it someone who flew in on essential business, someone who came on the ferry for a funeral? In a sense they are acting like some posters on this site in only selecting elements of the story that suit their narrative.

average_runner · 29-06-2020 10:54AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Nolan and Coveney being very cautious about foreign travel.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0629/1150256-coronavirus-ireland/

Ryan in charge now?

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings