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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #6602
    Naos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Naos


    Lundstram wrote: »
    Today's Numbers: 1 death, 3 cases.

    Went for chipper last night, queue of about 5 people outside - fcuk that.

    Killing our economy slowly

    And if they let those 5 inside, what difference would it have made to you? They'd still be ahead of you in the queue.


  • #6603
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Charming .

    This is such rubbish that somehow we are all collectively responsible for the whole public at large,we look after our immediates end of story.

    I will tell you what,when the rich people at the top give me and everyone else an exact equal share of the pie i will care about them and do everything i can to prolong their lives i will even wear a mask,until that happens i will look out for my immediate family thanks all the same.


  • #6604
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    It absolutely was avoidable,we were one of the best positioned countries an island with only one land border.Belarus no lockdown 300 deaths,Sweden no lockdown 5k deaths with a population more than double ours so basically the same death rate,give or take a couple hundred.

    It's clearly not a very lethal virus and certainly not worth crashing our economy off a cliff for to possibly save a literal handful of elderly who were probably going to die relatively soon anyway,coupled with the lives lost the livelihoods destroyed because of the lockdown and there is no logical argument to make for this anymore.

    The world is literally upside down right now,up is down and down is up.It seems if people just keep saying words enough times on the internet and drill them into people no matter how illogical it is people just buy it.Covid 19,Virus,Pandemic just keep saying it no matter about all the evidence all around you and people just eat it up.The world over has had all different types of lockdowns and non lockdowns and yet it seems nobody no matter what they done had any kind of pandemic numbers how this is still being sold is beyond me.

    If only we had an economy like Belarus.

    And Sweden - the impact there is going to be as big as here. Unemployment already soaring and they don’t even count those on furlough or equivalent as unemployment


  • #6605
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Charming .
    As is this in relation to the poster's own experience of this, which probably informs their attitude.


  • #6606
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,652 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    3 new cases today. 60%+ of pubs shut for another 3 weeks. What the actual f


    That would mean 40% are open would it not.
    I imagine if you are as desperate as your post suggests you will have no great problem finding one.


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  • #6607
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,216 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Naos wrote: »
    And if they let those 5 inside, what difference would it have made to you? They'd still be ahead of you in the queue.

    Seriously.

    Had to que outside for the chipper, lord telpis.


  • #6608
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If only we had an economy like Belarus.

    And Sweden - the impact there is going to be as big as here. Unemployment already soaring and they don’t even count those on furlough or equivalent as unemployment

    26% unemployment they had in May did they? Or will have our 22% for June? Or 15% unemployment to Jan 2022 like we will according to Paschals prediction?

    I cant believe you actually posted this rubbish.

    Will Sweden lose 13% GDP? No. They are on course for -6%. We? We are on course for -13%. Shows you got no clue. Stick to posting "lockdowns save lives"


  • #6609
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    charlie14 wrote: »
    That would mean 40% are open would it not.
    I imagine if you are as desperate as your post suggests you will have no great problem finding one.

    I dont like knowing 30,000 + will stay at home for further 3 weeks and collect taxpayers funds, while there are less than 150 active cases out of 4,900,000. Unless you are 14 like your posts and username would suggest (good job at working out 40%) you shouldnt either.


  • #6610
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    26% unemployment they had in May did they? Or will have our 22% for June? Or 15% unemployment to Jan 2022 like we will according to Paschals prediction?

    I cant believe you actually posted this rubbish.

    Will Sweden lose 13% GDP? No. They are on course for -6%. We? We are on course for -13%. Shows you got no clue. Stick to posting "lockdowns save lives"
    They are heading for 10% unemployment and are international pariahs in terms of travel as they continue to rack up cases and deaths so yeah we made a big mistake not aping the Swedes. BTW where are you getting -13% from?


  • #6611
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    26% unemployment they had in May did they? Or will have our 22% for June? Or 15% unemployment to Jan 2022 like we will according to Paschals prediction?

    I cant believe you actually posted this rubbish.

    Will Sweden lose 13% GDP? No. They are on course for -6%. We? We are on course for -13%. Shows you got no clue. Stick to posting "lockdowns save lives"

    Some people can read past the latest report and see where indicators are trending. Other people just highlight their ignorance every time they type. Anyone with half a brain knew there would be a large short term impact. Let’s see where the long term data goes shall we.

    And when the **** did I ever post “lockdowns save lives”? Glib remarks don’t make you sound clever you know


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  • #6612
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,652 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    26% unemployment they had in May did they? Or will have our 22% for June? Or 15% unemployment to Jan 2022 like we will according to Paschals prediction?

    I cant believe you actually posted this rubbish.

    Will Sweden lose 13% GDP? No. They are on course for -6%. We? We are on course for -13%. Shows you got no clue. Stick to posting "lockdowns save lives"


    Where did you get this -13% of Ireland`s GDP or this 15% unemployment to Jan 2022 from ?


  • #6613
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Some people can read past the latest report and see where indicators are trending. Other people just highlight their ignorance every time they type. Anyone with half a brain knew there would be a large short term impact. Let’s see where the long term data goes shall we.

    And when the **** did I ever post “lockdowns save lives”? Glib remarks don’t make you sound clever you know

    The reality is the long term data will win if people keep washing their hands relentlessly,social distancing,cocooning etc. and when flu season hits everybody's immune systems are going to be weakened so there will be a terrible flu come this winter that is a given now by the way everyone is behaving.


  • #6614
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    The reality is the long term data will win if people keep washing their hands relentlessly,social distancing,cocooning etc. and when flu season hits everybody's immune systems are going to be weakened so there will be a terrible flu come this winter that is a given now by the way everyone is behaving.

    I don’t get why there is a belief that the flu will be bad this year. The same things being done to keep COVID at bay will also impact flu.


  • #6615
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,652 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    I dont like knowing 30,000 + will stay at home for further 3 weeks and collect taxpayers funds, while there are less than 150 active cases out of 4,900,000. Unless you are 14 like your posts and username would suggest (good job at working out 40%) you shouldnt either.


    Your post on pubs being so inane it was difficult to ascertain if you actually knew that if 60% were closed it meant 40% were open.


  • #6616
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don’t get why there is a belief that the flu will be bad this year. The same things being done to keep COVID at bay will also impact flu.

    Well since i was a child i always learned that exposure to bacteria was a positive,it built immunity i feel like i remember being taught that at school and my experience in life bears that out.

    Does nobody never remember being told that the kid getting their hands all dirty was actually good for them,i remember hearing that chesnut quite a lot when i was a child,when someone was messing in the dirt and someone would complain,some smartass would pipe up that its actually good for them it builds immunity.

    So by that same logic overcleaning your hands avoiding people should weaken your immune system right?


  • #6617
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Some people can read past the latest report and see where indicators are trending. Other people just highlight their ignorance every time they type. Anyone with half a brain knew there would be a large short term impact. Let’s see where the long term data goes shall we.

    And when the **** did I ever post “lockdowns save lives”? Glib remarks don’t make you sound clever you know
    No doubt it is easy to be dismissive of the absolute devastation that is going to hit large sections of our economy,when as you already posted you are insulated from,thousands extra unemployed for probably years to come and no safety emigration net for our young.This short term blip that you refer to is fantasy.The only winners i see are as usual the sheltered areas of our economy such as the public service and the few like your self who are protected from the hardship ahead.


  • #6618
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Where did you get this -13% of Ireland`s GDP or this 15% unemployment to Jan 2022 from ?

    11% fall in below report. But this is before extension to lockdown announced, do you add on another 2%? I do.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/paschal-donohoe-economy-5079913-Apr2020/

    Donohoe says 'severe recession' hitting Ireland as GDP set to fall 10.5% and unemployment to peak at 22%

    Also, he was wrong, unemployment peaked at 28%, and then even 1 month on it was 26% very little difference. Hence you need to adjust his 11% GDP fall prediction, upward. This is not me btw, this is OUR minister for finance. And this is BEFORE the shi*show that went down in May. I ll try to dig out report of him saying 15% unemployment to end of 2021 hold on


  • #6619
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Some people can read past the latest report and see where indicators are trending. Other people just highlight their ignorance every time they type. Anyone with half a brain knew there would be a large short term impact. Let’s see where the long term data goes shall we.

    And when the **** did I ever post “lockdowns save lives”? Glib remarks don’t make you sound clever you know

    Ah here now, this is the worst come back to your "And Sweden - the impact there is going to be as big as here." nonsense as you couldve come up with.

    Sweden's GDP is set to fall by 6% in 2020.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20200618/sweden-reports-first-positive-signs-of-economic-recovery-after-corona-crash

    Ireland's GDP is set to fall by 11-13%+.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/paschal-donohoe-unemployment-covid19-5080700-Apr2020/

    Remember to adjust our GDP fall per my post above.

    6% vs 13% (11% if it makes you feel better) is HUGE, in fact double (I did a Charlie there ;) ). It is certainly not "impact there is going to be as big as here"


  • #6620
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,652 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    11% fall in below report. But this is before extension to lockdown announced, do you add on another 2%? I do.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/paschal-donohoe-economy-5079913-Apr2020/

    Donohoe says 'severe recession' hitting Ireland as GDP set to fall 10.5% and unemployment to peak at 22%

    Also, he was wrong, unemployment peaked at 28%, and then even 1 month on it was 26% very little difference. Hence you need to adjust his 11% GDP fall prediction, upward. This is not me btw, this is OUR minister for finance. And this is BEFORE the shi*show that went down in May. I ll try to dig out report of him saying 15% unemployment to end of 2021 hold on


    That report said 10.5%. So in reality you just added another 2.5% for no other reason than to make your figures look better, and while you were at it, it appears you decided to throw in unemployment figures for 2022 for the same reason.

    Jesus wept does not even come close!


    Your -6% for Sweden comes from the Swedish Minister for finance I presume.


  • #6621
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    The reality is the long term data will win if people keep washing their hands relentlessly,social distancing,cocooning etc. and when flu season hits everybody's immune systems are going to be weakened so there will be a terrible flu come this winter that is a given now by the way everyone is behaving.

    Surely an annual lockdown must be implemented to prevent influenza related death's??

    Maybe implement it every September for 9 month's?

    I feel sorry for anyone who died before, as we are very close to eternal life it seems.


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  • #6622
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    charlie14 wrote: »
    That report said 10.5%. So in reality you just added another 2.5% for no other reason than to make your figures look better, and while you were at it, it appears you decided to throw in unemployment figures for 2022 for the same reason.

    Jesus wept does not even come close!


    Your -6% for Sweden comes from the Swedish Minister for finance I presume.

    Jesus wept when our minister for finance predicted peak unemployment at 22% when in reality it was 28%. And 26% the following month. (he was 25% wrong on 22% prediction)

    Apply similar adjustment to GDP fall expected. Or, if it makes you feel better, dont apply any adjustment at all and keep think that we are winning. :rolleyes:


  • #6623
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Surely an annual lockdown must be implemented to prevent influenza related death's??

    Maybe implement it every September for 9 month's?

    I feel sorry for anyone who died before, as we are very close to eternal life it seems.

    Shush, you ll give Tony H food for thought.

    3 new cases today Fintan. Yes, we are still counting these peanuts and RTE still announces them.


  • #6624
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Look at this horrible sh*te coming out

    Ryanair threatens to lay-off 120 pilots and close Cork and Shannon bases

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ryanair-threatens-to-lay-off-120-pilots-and-close-cork-and-shannon-bases-1.4290903

    This, before anyone asks, is in addition to their 3k job cuts announced in May.


  • #6625
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Look at this horrible sh*te coming out

    Ryanair threatens to lay-off 120 pilots and close Cork and Shannon bases

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ryanair-threatens-to-lay-off-120-pilots-and-close-cork-and-shannon-bases-1.4290903

    This, before anyone asks, is in addition to their 3k job cuts announced in May.

    Indeed. But the economy and jobs do not matter. I opened a thread trying to list businesses which were open now, and it was shut down.


  • #6626
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,652 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Jesus wept when our minister for finance predicted peak unemployment at 22% when in reality it was 28%. And 26% the following month. (he was 25% wrong on 22% prediction)

    Apply similar adjustment to GDP fall expected. Or, if it makes you feel better, dont apply any adjustment at all and keep think that we are winning. :rolleyes:




    The Swedish minister for finance is predicting -6%.

    His Central bank is predicting roughly the same best case, but worse case -9.7% the longer the present situation in Sweden prevails.


    I.M.F. Mid April predictions for Sweden are -6.8%. Same as Ireland with unemployment to average out here at 12.1% this year and dropping to 7.9% in 2021.



    Statista is predicting GDP contraction for both Ireland and Sweden at 6.79% with Sweden`s forecast to grow to 5.17% next year and Ireland`s to 6.27%

    Not that I have any doubts any of that will make any difference to you making up your own figures to suit your agenda .;)


  • #6627
    GocRh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭GocRh


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Jesus wept when our minister for finance predicted peak unemployment at 22% when in reality it was 28%. And 26% the following month. (he was 25% wrong on 22% prediction)

    Apply similar adjustment to GDP fall expected. Or, if it makes you feel better, dont apply any adjustment at all and keep think that we are winning. :rolleyes:

    Let's not forget that our GDP is artificially propped up by MNCs, capital that doesn't directly translate to real economic output. A fall of 10-12% in GDP is an immense fall in the real economy output, it wouldn't surprise me if the real number is closer to 20%.


  • #6628
    Lyle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Lyle


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Okay - so. 2 weeks since my last city centre trip, and it looks even worse......

    1 - still no music in shopping centres. Is music contributing to covid spread?

    Some analysis of businesses that had an outbreak scenario or a cluster of cases recommend that music or whatever else playing through the speakers in businesses should be very low volume or off, to prevent people from having to speak in any louder a voice than is necessary, and therefore prevent them from potentially expectorating more droplets out into the air, particularly in rooms or buildings with crap ventilation.


  • #6629
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Lyle wrote: »
    Some analysis of businesses that had an outbreak scenario or a cluster of cases recommend that music or whatever else playing through the speakers in businesses should be very low volume or off, to prevent people from having to speak in any louder a voice than is necessary, and therefore prevent them from potentially expectorating more droplets out into the air, particularly in rooms or buildings with crap ventilation.

    Ah lord jeasus, stop the world and let me off.

    The bizzare overreaction to this is utterly depressing, this rubbish could end up going on for years.

    Im sure if we strapped ourselves on to a bed indefinitely and interveniously fed nutrients and medication we could all live until 150


  • #6630
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Lyle wrote: »
    Some analysis of businesses that had an outbreak scenario or a cluster of cases recommend that music or whatever else playing through the speakers in businesses should be very low volume or off, to prevent people from having to speak in any louder a voice than is necessary, and therefore prevent them from potentially expectorating more droplets out into the air, particularly in rooms or buildings with crap ventilation.

    Music plays loudly inside the shops, that are located in the shopping centres. There is no music playing in the shopping centres. We, Irish, do it properly.



    NOT


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  • #6631
    Lyle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Lyle


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Ah lord jeasus, stop the world and let me off.

    The bizzare overreaction to this is utterly depressing, this rubbish could end up going on for years.

    At some point, if we don't get a relatively quick road out with some form of treatment, the evidence of masks may build to a point where they're universally accepted as helpful, and then they could turn the tunes back on!?

    It seems excessive for a shopping centre and it probably isn't the reason, I've just seen it mentioned here and there. I get it if you're in an upstairs bar/restaurant/cafe or somewhere where people sit for a while and talk, it might have a helpful influence. Seems a bit daft in a space as big as a shopping centre.


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