Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Carfacemandog · 27-06-2020 12:19pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

So you want nicely worded speeches?

Well I mean, it does seem to be the number one issue Trump supporters have with Biden.

looksee · 27-06-2020 12:24pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

2 big victories announced by Trump administration in last few days.

Trump administration has won a federal court ruling forcing hospitals to reveal the true prices of health care appointments, surgeries etc. Previously this wasn't revealed to the public.
It allows patients to shop around for better priced and quality care.

Trump also signed an executive order designed to strengthen child welfare programs. The goals strengthen adoption systems and support at risk families leading to less need for child services to split up families. There are almost half a million children in the adoption system.

Of those who spend their childhood in care homes until they become adults 40% become homeless, half are unemployed by age 24, over 25% end up in prison and 1 in 4 face post traumatic stress disorder.

These are not particularly 'big victories', they are good and useful bits of legislation passed in the normal course of government and signed off by the president - he signed what he was asked to sign, he was not actively pursuing either of them. That you had to go hunting for a couple of useful things that he has done says a lot.

But following on from 'good things Trump has done, it would be useful to know what he will be promising for his next term. Sean Hannity gave him a nice softball question in an interview - basically what are your main priorities for your second term - and his answer was an incomprehensible word salad

This was the answer - both video and transcript.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/transcript-hannity-trump/

Would you like to tease this out for us and tell us what he says we might expect in terms of potential big victories for the next round?

EltonJohn69 · 27-06-2020 12:30pm

Isn’t it about time Biden named his running mate ?

Carfacemandog · 27-06-2020 12:41pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Isn’t it about time Biden named his running mate ?

Mike Pence as announced on July 14th in 2016
Tim Kaine was announced July 22nd (Clinton).
Paul Ryan was announced on August 11th (2012 with Romney).
Sarah Palin was announced on August 29th in 2008.
Joe Biden was announced on August 22nd in 2008.

So it's not likely for another 3-6 weeks, maybe even a little more. Give how Trumps campaign can't get anything go stick tgo Biden despite their best efforts, my guess is the Democrats hold off until at least the end of July or start of August.

sid waddell · 27-06-2020 12:47pm

sid waddell wrote: »

Trump's bestie Putin has been offering bounties to the Taliban to kill US soldiers in Afghanistan. Trump has known this since March.

All while Trump does Putin's bidding on the international stage, including trying to get them readmitted to the G7.

Fairly mad that a US President continues to act on behalf of a regime that is literally offering prize money for killing US soldiers. I'd have thought that's pretty treasonous.

From NY Times reporting.

https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/1276684680843218944

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/russia-afghanistan-bounties.html

Interesting that there has been no comment on this story from Trump supporters here.

I would have thought that it would be highly noteworthy that Trump has seen fit to do nothing except continue to support the Russian regime despite that same regime offering and indeed paying bounty money to Taliban and others who kill US soldiers. It appears to be a prima facie smoking gun that the Russian regime holds severe compromising influence over Trump.

The same goes for Boris Johnson, who would have also known about the same Russian bounty for killing UK soldiers, and has similar questions to answer as regards compromising Russian influence over him, his government and the Brexit campaign.

This to me seems like an utterly explosive story, yet it doesn't seem to be gaining much traction so far.

I wonder why that is.

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sid waddell · 27-06-2020 12:51pm

looksee wrote: »

But following on from 'good things Trump has done, it would be useful to know what he will be promising for his next term. Sean Hannity gave him a nice softball question in an interview - basically what are your main priorities for your second term - and his answer was an incomprehensible word salad

This was the answer - both video and transcript.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/transcript-hannity-trump/

Would you like to tease this out for us and tell us what he says we might expect in terms of potential big victories for the next round?

Whatever happened to Trump's grand promises on infrastructure?

To the best of my knowledge he's done literally nothing.

EltonJohn69 · 27-06-2020 12:53pm

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Mike Pence as announced on July 14th in 2016
Tim Kaine was announced July 22nd (Clinton).
Paul Ryan was announced on August 11th (2012 with Romney).
Sarah Palin was announced on August 29th in 2008.
Joe Biden was announced on August 22nd in 2008.

So it's not likely for another 3-6 weeks, maybe even a little more. Give how Trumps campaign can't get anything go stick tgo Biden despite their best efforts, my guess is the Democrats hold off until at least the end of July or start of August.

Well Trump/fox news are going to go all in soon on hunter Biden..... whether it sticks or not.... Biden is going to have a rough time

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 12:53pm

sid waddell wrote: »

Interesting that there has been no comment on this story from Trump supporters here.

I would have thought that it would be highly noteworthy that Trump has seen fit to do nothing except continue to support the Russian regime despite that same regime offering and indeed paying bounty money to Taliban and others who kill US soldiers. It appears to be a prima facie smoking gun that the Russian regime holds severe compromising influence over Trump.

The same goes for Boris Johnson, who would have also known about the same Russian bounty for killing UK soldiers, and has similar questions to answer as regards compromising Russian influence over him, his government and the Brexit campaign.

This to me seems like an utterly explosive story, yet it doesn't seem to be gaining much traction so far.

I wonder why that is.

How do you know nothing was done? Did Russia announce to the media that they were offering rewards to kill coalition troops? No
Why would deity the UK or US announce to the media anything of the kind?

Do you think everything that happens in politics or military moves are announced to the public? Especially something so sensitive

Real life

sid waddell · 27-06-2020 12:58pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

How do you know nothing was done? Did Russia announce to the media that they were offering rewards to kill coalition troops? No
Why would deity the UK or US announce to the media anything of the kind?

Do you think everything that happens in politics is announced to the public? Especially something so sensitive

Real life

Why so defensive?

Wouldn't the obvious response to a story like this be to say "this looks really bad" rather than to default try and find excuses for Trump or imagine that it's not true?

Trump has known about this since at least March.

This month, June 2020, Trump implored for Russia to be readmitted to the G7.

Do you think this is an appropriate response as regards a regime which is offering bounties for killing US soldiers?

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 1:02pm

sid waddell wrote: »

Why so defensive?

Wouldn't the obvious response to story like this be to say "this looks really bad" rather than to default try and find excuses for Trump or imagine that it's not true?

Trump has known about this since at least March.

This month, June 2020, Trump implored for Russia to be readmitted to the G7.

Do you think this is an appropriate response as regards a regime which is offering bounties for killing US soldiers?

Again you seem to think that all political and military moves are public knowledge.

That's obviously not the case

Carfacemandog · 27-06-2020 1:05pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Well Trump/fox news are going to go all in soon on hunter Biden..... whether it sticks or not.... Biden is going to have a rough time

That one already washed off months ago though, if anything the optics of Trump getting impeached due tgo breaking the law over it has hurt him more I would say. And voting to acquit him despite admitting he was guilty has done significant damage to some senators in more moderate states who are up for election in November, where they have gone from being presumed to keeping their majority to the underdogs both in the polls and at the bookies.

There's still quite a whole to go, but this is part of why Trumps campaign must be eager for a VP nominee to be named. Whomever it is, I can go do as guarantee they will be the main source of attack ads etc rather than Biden as they've just not been able to get anything to stick.

Carfacemandog · 27-06-2020 1:08pm

sid waddell wrote: »

Trump has known about this since at least March.

This month, June 2020, Trump implored for Russia to be readmitted to the G7.

Well I mean of course. Trump is on record saying he trusts Russia over his own intelligence agencies, so its hardly surprising that he appears to be - yet again - siding with Russia over his own intelligence agencies.

sid waddell · 27-06-2020 1:15pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Again you seem to think that all political and military moves are public knowledge.

That's obviously not the case

So your default response and defence is to assume, based on nothing, that Trump has done something behind the scenes to punish Russia?

Why on earth would you assume that, given that there has been petty much zero pushback on Russian aggression of any sort by Trump over the entire course of his presidency, only what could be - at best - called appeasement?

Trump is publicly calling for Russia to be readmitted to the G7.

How does that square with any sort of "punishment" or any sort of push back?

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 1:17pm

sid waddell wrote: »

So your default response and defence is to assume, based on nothing, that Trump has done something behind the scenes to punish Russia?

Why on earth would you assume that, given that there has been petty much zero pushback on Russian aggression of any sort by Trump over the entire course of his presidency, only what could be - at best - called appeasement?

Trump is publicly calling for Russia to be readmitted to the G7.

How does that square with any sort of "punishment" or any sort of push back?

You are assuming the government hasn't. You are assuming that all political and military moves are reported by the media.

briany · 27-06-2020 1:17pm

Trump's mishandling of this whole Coronavirus epidemic has been bad even for him. Trump had a platform that the economy was strong under him, and that was his ace in the hole. But while the coronavirus rages on, the economy is going to be on the ropes and constantly in this process of shutting down and restarting.

So there's that - but we know that wearing masks helps stop the spread. It makes absolutely no sense that Trump would announce any skepticism about this. You could see a glimmer of logic in trying to get the economy to reopen early even if it's a vain hope that it won't be disastrous. There's no logic in being against the masks. None. Nada.

Maybe he's just done with being president at this stage and wants to help sink his electoral chances, but still wants to look like he's fighting, so that the launch of the Trump News Network in 2021 will be a great success. Otherwise, his advisors are really failing him, or he really has gone off the deep end, mentally.

If he wants to get his biggest, excuse the pun, trump card back, then it makes all the sense in the world to crush the curve as much as possible. He's actively killing his voters if this rips through conservative communities in Florida with large amounts of older people, for example. I say it again - his stance on masks is a kamikaze move of the highest order. Maybe someone here could educate me on the logic they think Trump might have with it, because I can see none from where I stand.

sid waddell · 27-06-2020 1:18pm

Carfacemandog wrote: »

That one already washed off months ago though, if anything the optics of Trump getting impeached due tgo breaking the law over it has hurt him more I would say. And voting to acquit him despite admitting he was guilty has done significant damage to some senators in more moderate states who are up for election in November, where they have gone from being presumed to keeping their majority to the underdogs both in the polls and at the bookies.

There's still quite a whole to go, but this is part of why Trumps campaign must be eager for a VP nominee to be named. Whomever it is, I can go do as guarantee they will be the main source of attack ads etc rather than Biden as they've just not been able to get anything to stick.

Maybe they'll go with the calling a black woman a "whore" angle, as suggested by a poster here earlier.

That should work.

amandstu · 27-06-2020 1:23pm

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Well I mean of course. Trump is on record saying he trusts Russia over his own intelligence agencies, so its hardly surprising that he appears to be - yet again - siding with Russia over his own intelligence agencies.

Should be very worrying to the USA that all any foreign country seems to have to do to counter any inconvenient American intelligence is to stroke Trump's ego and suggest that his own intelligence services are out to get him

Well that is the suspicion.(unless Trump is just a victim of a specific form of TDS where beliefs have to fit in with expediency,)

sid waddell · 27-06-2020 1:23pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

You are assuming the government hasn't. You are assuming that all political and military moves are reported by the media.

You're now suggesting that "government" is punishing Russia in secret without Trump's knowledge?

That's quite the assumption indeed.

Surely you'd categorise calling for Russia to be readmitted to the G7 as reward, not punishment?

What has Russia done to justify such reward?

salmocab · 27-06-2020 1:24pm

briany wrote: »

Trump's mishandling of this whole Coronavirus epidemic has been bad even for him. Trump had a platform that the economy was strong under him, and that was his ace in the hole. But while the coronavirus rages on, the economy is going to be on the ropes and constantly in this process of shutting down and restarting.

So there's that - but we know that wearing masks helps stop the spread. It makes absolutely no sense that Trump would announce any skepticism about this. You could see a glimmer of logic in trying to get the economy to reopen early even if it's a vain hope that it won't be disastrous. There's no logic in being against the masks. None. Nada.

Maybe he's just done with being president at this stage and wants to help sink his electoral chances, but still wants to look like he's fighting, so that the launch of the Trump News Network in 2021 will be a great success. Otherwise, his advisors are really failing him, or he really has gone off the deep end, mentally.

If he wants to get his biggest, excuse the pun, trump card back, then it makes all the sense in the world to crush the curve as much as possible. He's actively killing his voters if this rips through conservative communities in Florida with large amounts of older people, for example. I say it again - his stance on masks is a kamikaze move of the highest order. Maybe someone here could educate me on the logic they think Trump might have with it, because I can see none from where I stand.

The mask thing is no more than image, same with walking slowly down the ramp because he didn’t want the media to get the photo, not that he didn’t want to fall but because he didn’t want the photo taken, same with the ridiculous medical reports. He only cares about putting out an image and it’s beyond anything rational. He is an old man and these things aside from the mask carry on should be okay but he’s made them an issue unnecessarily.

sid waddell · 27-06-2020 1:26pm

amandstu wrote: »

Should be very worrying to the USA that all any foreign country seems to have to do to counter any inconvenient American intelligence is to stroke Trump's ego and suggest that his own intelligence services are out to get him

Well that is the suspicion.(unless Trump is just a victim of a specific form of TDS where beliefs have to fit in with expediency,)

It's almost like US national security has been and continues to be completely and willingly compromised by the US president himself on behalf of other countries.

Midlife · 27-06-2020 2:06pm

The supreme Court ACA argument is a bit nuts if you think about it.

1: Obama got a cross party senate majority to introduce the affordable care act.

2: Trump (having promised to repeal and replace) couldn't get the votes from his own party so it stayed in legislation.

3: Trump has now given up on senate process, despite still having a majority) and asked supreme court to just go ahead and overturn it to be replaced with unspecified stuff.

Who said this isn't a slide towards authoritarianism again?

looksee · 27-06-2020 2:18pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Well Trump/fox news are going to go all in soon on hunter Biden..... whether it sticks or not.... Biden is going to have a rough time

Undoubtedly they are, and it does appear that Biden is going to have an uphill battle.

We are accustomed here to the general principle that whatever your politics and however you talk about your opponents, the bottom line is that it is pretty much true and provable what you say, and everyone is absolutely entitled to their vote. If anyone steps outside those parameters then the voting public will take it on board and show displeasure, generally regardless of party politics.

When you are in a situation that one party maintains integrity - no matter how vicious the attack it is a basically fact based attack, and the other party is willing to use every dirty trick, blatant lie and childish abuse they feel like spreading then one of those two is apparently at a disadvantage.

However the dirty tricks approach will eventually backfire, the silly nicknames will pall with all but the smallest, stupidest and most ill-educated core of the population and the vast bulk of people will realise that if they don't want to live in a banana republic then they mustn't vote in a chimpanzee.

Carfacemandog · 27-06-2020 2:35pm

sid waddell wrote: »

Maybe they'll go with the calling a black woman a "whore" angle, as suggested by a poster here earlier.

That should work.

The same poster who was also asking what is so bad about Trumps use of 'kung flu' while decrying politicians from the other partt not acting in a manner and decorum becoming of their office?

sydthebeat · 27-06-2020 2:41pm

Drumpf as far out as 13/8 with the bookies now.

All those donfans out there who are convinced he's going to be re-elected.... It's free money for ya

amandstu · 27-06-2020 2:43pm

sid waddell wrote: »

It's almost like US national security has been and continues to be completely and willingly compromised by the US president himself on behalf of himself and other countries.

FTFY:)

amandstu · 27-06-2020 2:53pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Drumpf as far out as 13/8 with the bookies now.

All those donfans out there who are convinced he's going to be re-elected.... It's free money for ya

Would be interesting to get an analysis of the demographics where his support has weakened

StringerBell · 27-06-2020 2:53pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

How do you know nothing was done? Did Russia announce to the media that they were offering rewards to kill coalition troops? No
Why would deity the UK or US announce to the media anything of the kind?

Do you think everything that happens in politics or military moves are announced to the public? Especially something so sensitive

Real life

Something was done, Trump announced he was moving troops out of Germany, unilaterally handing Russia a strategic victory against NATO and he also lobbied again for Russia to be allowed back into the G7.

He such a coward it's almost funny, well at least it's funny from this side of the world. Imagine being a family member of one of the service men and women killed in Afghanistan and now knowing that not only was your commander in chief told in march that Russia were paying cash money for dead Americans, that he was given a menu of options to choose from ranging from military to economic sanctions and he choose none, other than of course to suck up to Putin some more.

What a leader.

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 2:57pm

StringerBell wrote: »

Something was done, Trump announced he was moving troops out of Germany, unilaterally handing Russia a strategic victory against NATO and he also lobbied again for Russia to be allowed back into the G7.

He such a coward it's almost funny, well at least it's funny from this side of the world. Imagine being a family member of one of the service men and women killed in Afghanistan and now knowing that not only was your commander in chief told in march that Russia were paying cash money for dead Americans, that he was given a menu of options to choose from ranging from military to economic sanctions and he choose none, other than of course to suck up to Putin some more.

What a leader.

Political move removing troops from Germany.
Trump also recently announced he is sending more troops to Poland.
You must have missed that one

StringerBell · 27-06-2020 2:58pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Political move removing troops from Germany.
Trump also recently announced he is sending more troops to Poland.
You must have missed that one

No I caught that announcement funnily.

No relevance of course to the post you responded to, but then I didn't expect you to be able to defend the indefensible. I never do expect it of the Trump support.

Just deflection, whataboutery and gymnastics.

StringerBell · 27-06-2020 3:01pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Drumpf as far out as 13/8 with the bookies now.

All those donfans out there who are convinced he's going to be re-elected.... It's free money for ya

I'm gonna back him myself at those odds in a two horse race considering the shenanigans you'd expect to be pulled! Might soften the blow somewhat if the worst comes to worst.

amandstu · 27-06-2020 3:03pm

StringerBell wrote: »

I'm gonna back him myself at those odds in a two horse race considering the shenanigans you'd expect to be pulled! Might soften the blow somewhat if the worst comes to worst.

Sadly that would not soften the blow.

FVP3 · 27-06-2020 3:06pm

sid waddell wrote: »

I would have thought that it would be highly noteworthy that Trump has seen fit to do nothing except continue to support the Russian regime despite that same regime offering and indeed paying bounty money to Taliban and others who kill US soldiers. It appears to be a prima facie smoking gun that the Russian regime holds severe compromising influence over Trump.

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The Russians are just reversing what the US did when Russia invaded. In fact the Americans pretty much created the islamic resistance there, they even got a movie out if it in Rambo III.

Carfacemandog · 27-06-2020 3:10pm

amandstu wrote: »

Would be interesting to get an analysis of the demographics where his support has weakened

It was a while back but the last had seen was essentially everyone bar Evangelicals, who were also his strongest base in 2016... which says a lot about evangelicals.

FVP3 · 27-06-2020 3:27pm

Carfacemandog wrote: »

It was a while back but the last had seen was essentially everyone bar Evangelicals, who were also his strongest base in 2016... which says a lot about evangelicals.

All the swing states. He is toast, I think. Hasnt done much for his base and the economy can't save him now.

banie01 · 27-06-2020 3:33pm

FVP3 wrote: »

All the swing states. He is toast, I think. Hasnt done much for his base and the economy can't save him now.

Even if the economy was stable, Trump's performance at his kitten soft town hall with Hannity should be worrying for anyone thinking of supporting him.

When asked what his plans for a 2nd term he had nothing, no actual plan, no outline, nothing other than waffle.

Why run for re-election if you don't have a manifesto to build for your "victory"?

For Forks Sake · 27-06-2020 3:53pm

amandstu wrote: »

Would be interesting to get an analysis of the demographics where his support has weakened

If I remember right, he's losing support amongst every demographic apart from poorly educated white males.

TomOnBoard · 27-06-2020 4:10pm

banie01 wrote: »

Even if the economy was stable, Trump's performance at his kitten soft town hall with Hannity should be worrying for anyone thinking of supporting him.

When asked what his plans for a 2nd term he had nothing, no actual plan, no outline, nothing other than waffle.

Why run for re-election if you don't have a manifesto to build for your "victory"?

Didn't be also say that Biden would win the election because people didnt love him (Trump) enough?

"I don’t want to be nice or un-nice, okay? But I mean, the man can’t speak," Trump said, falling back on one of his repeated critiques of Biden. "And he's going to be your president 'cause some people don't love me, maybe, and you know, all I'm doing is doing my job."

Not sure what being "un-nice" means... Is this a new thing? So much for Biden being a man who "can't speak" !!

https://people.com/politics/trump-says-biden-going-to-be-your-president-because-some-people-dont-love-me/

sid waddell · 27-06-2020 4:42pm

Midlife wrote: »

The supreme Court ACA argument is a bit nuts if you think about it.

1: Obama got a cross party senate majority to introduce the affordable care act.

2: Trump (having promised to repeal and replace) couldn't get the votes from his own party so it stayed in legislation.

3: Trump has now given up on senate process, despite still having a majority) and asked supreme court to just go ahead and overturn it to be replaced with unspecified stuff.

Who said this isn't a slide towards authoritarianism again?

It's important to understand what the Republican party and right-wing US commentators mean when they talk about "freedom" and "liberty".

It is not freedom and liberty as reasonable people would understand it.

It is the "freedom" and "liberty" of corporate power to implement oligarchy without democratic check.

It goes back to slavery times when John Calhoun propagandised in favour of such a definition of "freedom" and "liberty". His version of "freedom" and "liberty" was the freedom of the propertied, monied class to own slaves. He could not comprehend, or refused to comprehend, the concept that the slaves themselves should have freedom.

And crucially, it meant that the propertied and the monied should never be subject to rules implemented by democracy. Calhoun and other such ideologues believed that democracy was "majoritarian tyranny".

When the Supreme Court ruled in Brown v Board of Education in 1954 that school segregation was unlawful, the Calhoun type ideologists immediately called for schools to resist admitting black pupils, and those public schools which admitted blacks to be summarily closed down.

Other segregationists called for public schooling to be abolished in favour of whites only segregation academies. Blacks should be left with no schooling at all. This "could not be racist" because it was a "market" solution.

"Freedom" and "liberty" did not apply to the poor and the marginalised, who should be kept down by any means necessary.

What "freedom" and "liberty" means in Republican parlance (and when I say Republican parlance I mean the parlance of the vast network of Koch and other oligarchy-funded libertarian think tanks and "foundations" and "institutes" with their Calhoun and Ayn Rand ideologies, because no other ideology is tolerated in the Republican party now), is freedom from the idea that the propertied and the monied should have any responsibility to society whatsoever.

The words "freedom" and "liberty" as used in Republican parlance are authoritarian.

This is what the demonisation of Medicare For All is about, and it's what the attempt to crush the ACA is about (ironically the ACA was originally brought in by a Republican, Mitt Romney, in Massachusetts, the same Romney now considered a heretic in the Republican party).

extra gravy · 27-06-2020 4:43pm

Midlife wrote: »

Can you perhaps why the opiod crisis is a national one that needed a national response and you're claiming hospital policy is a national win for trump above but Covid is a state problem?

Just curious as to the rationale.

No response to this...what a surprise.

briany · 27-06-2020 5:14pm

Sand wrote: »

Who is Trumps 'base' in 2020?

Hardcore Republicans, most bigots/racists, people living where Trump has brought some jobs in, certain people living along the southern border who want that wall (see point 2), FB amateur (sort of redundant) conspiracy theorists, 'this'll show the lib-cucks'-merchants, people who think AntiFa is some massive threat to their country. People who think the Democratic party are a massive threat to their country.

There may be some overlap between some of the different sectors stated above. Also, it's an incomplete list. And if you are someone who voted for, or would vote for, Trump and don't feel like you fit into any of these categories, it is, as stated, an incomplete list.

TomOnBoard · 27-06-2020 5:35pm

briany wrote: »

Hardcore Republicans, most bigots/racists, people living where Trump has brought some jobs in, certain people living along the southern border who want that wall (see point 2), FB amateur (sort of redundant) conspiracy theorists, 'this'll show the lib-cucks'-merchants, people who think AntiFa is some massive threat to their country. People who think the Democratic party are a massive threat to their country.

There may be some overlap between some of the different sectors stated above. Also, it's an incomplete list. And if you are someone who voted for, or would vote for, Trump and don't feel like you fit into any of these categories, it is, as stated, an incomplete list.

For clarity, I would add Christian evangelicals and fundamentalists of all stripes..

briany · 27-06-2020 5:38pm

TomOnBoard wrote: »

For clarity, I would add Christian evangelicals and fundamentalists of all stripes..

Yes, that's a big one. I'd say there's a good overlap with them and hardcore Republicans, as well.

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 5:58pm

Nationwide race protests and riots for weeks. Before you know it coronavirus cases start to rise again. People blame Trump

Very silly

Igotadose · 27-06-2020 6:00pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Nationwide race protests and riots for weeks. Before you know it coronavirus cases start to rise again. People blame Trump

Very silly

He's the President. Despite his protestations, he's responsible. Not just for the things that might go in his favor.

In fact, he repeatedly tweeted things like that, prior to being elected.

Not silly in the slightest. Oh, lots of evidence out there that the protests haven't caused a rise in cases. Cramming the beaches and inadequate social distancing, now that's another story altogether.

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 6:07pm

Igotadose wrote: »

He's the President. Despite his protestations, he's responsible. Not just for the things that might go in his favor.

In fact, he repeatedly tweeted things like that, prior to being elected.

Not silly in the slightest. Oh, lots of evidence out there that the protests haven't caused a rise in cases. Cramming the beaches and inadequate social distancing, now that's another story altogether.

Going to the beach packed closely together causes coronavirus to spread
Protesting on the streets packed together doesn't cause coronavirus to spread.

How close do you think half dressed strangers would be to each other?
Shoulder to shoulder with strangers on the beach.
Doesn't really sound realistic. But protesting on the streets people would be on top of each other

Il have to write that down. Although I don't think all of the Us states have coastlines.

salmocab · 27-06-2020 6:08pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Nationwide race protests and riots for weeks. Before you know it coronavirus cases start to rise again. People blame Trump

Very silly

So you’ll have proof of the two being related so? Are cases only rising in cities where the protests were?

Harry Palmr · 27-06-2020 6:10pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Nationwide race protests and riots for weeks. Before you know it coronavirus cases start to rise again. People blame Trump

Very silly

The surge began with a holiday weekend in late May and badly run "return to work' shopping and the beach" lifting of restrictions and of course the failure to understand how to protect oneself with masks , social distancing etc.

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 6:11pm

salmocab wrote: »

So you’ll have proof of the two being related so? Are cases only rising in cities where the protests were?

"The protests spread to over 2,000 cities and towns in all 50 states and all 5 permanently-inhabited territories, as well as in over 60 other countries, with demonstrators supporting those seeking justice for Floyd and the wider Black Lives Matter movement, and speaking out against police brutality"

Mass gatherings banned all over the world. You are looking to point blame. There are the culprits.
And people who went to the beach too

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 6:11pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The surge began with a holiday weekend in late May and badly run "return to work' shopping and the beach" lifting of restrictions and of course the failure to understand how to protect oneself with masks , social distancing etc.

And nationwide protests?

Pull your collective heads out of your asses. We all know that mass gatherings were banned for a reason. We all know the 15 minute and 2 metre rule. Logic says protests would be an ideal spreading situation.

Trump or no Trump. Dont deny reality.

Igotadose · 27-06-2020 6:13pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Going to the beach packed closely together causes coronavirus to spread
Protesting on the streets packed together doesn't cause coronavirus to spread.

Opening up the country without a clue and agitating against masks: spread.

Here's an example for you. Corona hit Japan, which has a much higher percentage of elderly citizens than the US and an enormously crammed population.

Hardly any deaths due to Covid. Why is that? Hit at about the same time. Who is responsible?

How close do you think half dressed strangers would be to each other?
Shoulder to shoulder with strangers on the beach.
Doesn't really sound realistic. But protesting on the streets people would be on top of each other

Il have to write that down. Although I don't think all of the Us states have coastlines.

The people protesting wore masks. Their incidence of illness is low.

People cramming beaches, bars and going to Walmart, that's a different story.

And, in any case, Trump is responsible. He sets the guidelines if not explicitly, implicitly by his behavior. He should be advocating for masks.

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