Masks

Seanergy · 27-06-2020 12:36PM

Yes: valved

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

But then the mask is covered in bacteria? How can microscopic bacteria be 'blocked'?

1 solution at a time.

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xhomelezz · 27-06-2020 12:38PM

Yes: valved

polesheep wrote: »

There are vulnerable people and hypochondriacs who have lobbied for mask wearing before Covid-19 arrived. They see this as an opportunity to push for their cause. I know it's a very small group of people, but the tail has been wagging the dog throughout all of this.

polesheep · 27-06-2020 12:39PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

It's a pity for your debating skills that you didn't progress to at least second level education.

xhomelezz · 27-06-2020 12:42PM

Yes: valved

polesheep wrote: »

It's a pity for your debating skills that you didn't progress to at least second level education.

Much higher than secondary level of education here, but what do you expect to get back after posting them great ideas of yours. Hypochondriacs and vulnerable lobbying for masks... unbelievable!

weldoninhio · 27-06-2020 12:47PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Arrival wrote: »

Curious to know what the people refusing to wear masks would do if they had to visit the home of someone in their family or a friend who has an underlying health condition, would they also refuse to wear a mask to help increase the safety for them? After all, masks are taking away from their freedoms so surely they wouldn't? Or would it be the case that they would happily wear one in this situation because they care about that person, but they're just ****ty enough people to not feel like extending that consideration to strangers

I wouldn’t go visit them.

polesheep · 27-06-2020 12:53PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Much higher than secondary level of education here, but what do you expect to get back after posting them great ideas of yours. Hypochondriacs and vulnerable lobbying for masks... unbelievable!

You might think so, but it was shown to me on Twitter. I don't use that cesspit myself so I cannot link it. BTW that's not a mask he's wearing. And it's 'those' not 'them'.

polesheep · 27-06-2020 12:57PM

Arrival wrote: »

Curious to know what the people refusing to wear masks would do if they had to visit the home of someone in their family or a friend who has an underlying health condition, would they also refuse to wear a mask to help increase the safety for them? After all, masks are taking away from their freedoms so surely they wouldn't? Or would it be the case that they would happily wear one in this situation because they care about that person, but they're just ****ty enough people to not feel like extending that consideration to strangers

If visiting a person's home I would be courteous enough to comply with their requests. If I found any request too onerous I would not visit. When out and about on my own business I expect to be left to my own business.

xhomelezz · 27-06-2020 12:59PM

Yes: valved

polesheep wrote: »

You might think so, but it was shown to me on Twitter. I don't use that cesspit myself so I cannot link it. BTW that's not a mask he's wearing. And it's 'those' not 'them'.

Yeah I'm sorry, English is not my native language, so thank you for correcting me. Grammar is my weak point, still

And I'm sorry again, but Twitter is Def not reliable source of information. I'm not either of categories (vulnerable or hypochondriac) and still prefer to use masks since the start of pandemic. It's just sensible thing to do, especially now when people forgetting social distancing.

odyssey06 · 27-06-2020 01:03PM

polesheep wrote: »

There are vulnerable people and hypochondriacs who have lobbied for mask wearing before Covid-19 arrived. They see this as an opportunity to push for their cause. I know it's a very small group of people, but the tail has been wagging the dog throughout all of this.

The tail has been wagging the dog on this?
Again zero evidence to back up anything of the sort. Just innuendo.
Even if some people were lobbying for such use it's irrelevent.
Either wearing masks in the current pandemic has merit, or it does not.
There's no logical or political reason why wearing masks in the current pandemic would lead to their permanent mandatory use.
The tail and the dog doesn't come into it.

xhomelezz · 27-06-2020 01:04PM

Yes: valved

polesheep wrote: »

If visiting a person's home I would be courteous enough to comply with their requests. If I found any request too onerous I would not visit. When out and about on my own business I expect to be left to my own business.

In my eyes that mean being selfish..

odyssey06 · 27-06-2020 01:09PM

polesheep wrote: »

If visiting a person's home I would be courteous enough to comply with their requests. If I found any request too onerous I would not visit. When out and about on my own business I expect to be left to my own business.

+1 on the first part of your post.

But in the context of the current pandemic, what you emit from your respiratory system in an enclosed space is everyone's business.
Just as in other contexts with smoking, or car emissions or what substances you put into your body when behind the wheel of a vehicle.

Jim_Hodge · 27-06-2020 01:41PM

Yes: homemade

polesheep wrote: »

If visiting a person's home I would be courteous enough to comply with their requests. If I found any request too onerous I would not visit. When out and about on my own business I expect to be left to my own business.

Unfortunately for you (fortunately for others) it's not your own business if you're using public transport.

Sconsey · 27-06-2020 01:41PM

No: other

odyssey06 wrote: »

+1 on the first part of your post.

But in the context of the current pandemic, what you emit from your respiratory system in an enclosed space is everyone's business.
Just as in other contexts with smoking, or car emissions or what substances you put into your body when behind the wheel of a vehicle.

You know that's a very good point. I wonder do the anti-maks guys, who are worried about their freedom, consider the smoking ban an assault on their freedom too?
The 'freedom' phrase is a complete red-herring, it is a constraint. You should be free to not wear a mask but would be constrained where you can go. For example, no mask means no access to indoor public places. Much like the smoking ban, if you don't like it stay outside.
You are still free...free to choose but constrained by the implications of different choices.

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 01:43PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Sconsey wrote: »

You know that's a very good point. I wonder do the anti-maks guys, who are worried about their freedom, consider the smoking ban an assault on their freedom too?
The 'freedom' phrase is a complete red-herring, it is a constraint. You should be free to not wear a mask but would be constrained where you can go. For example, no mask means no access to indoor public places. Much like the smoking ban, if you don't like it stay outside.
You are still free...free to choose but constrained by the implications of different choices.

Is this in the legislation? I'm not aware that there is one. Maybe it was announced

sheepsh4gger · 27-06-2020 01:56PM

I bet that when I wear my 3M mask rated for viruses the chavs on the Luas will throw a fit.

Option 1. Wear no mask, risk getting confronted by Karens
Option 2. Wear a surgical mask that doesn't protect me
Option 3. Wear a mask that actually protects but risk fighting 'dubs'

sheepsh4gger · 27-06-2020 01:59PM

What is the percentage of people covering their faces on buses? I only see like 1 person out of 10 wear face covering in Tesco.

Is there anyone wearing the correct PPE? You know, the one they said is not effective but healthcare workers were wearing it.

sheepsh4gger · 27-06-2020 02:02PM

The virus is still out there, the saturation is maybe below 10%. They say you need 60% of people infected for this to be over.
This thing is not going anywhere. In fact it's very likely for lockdowns to return in October when it will pile on top of your regular influenza hospitalizations. They are managing surges and there's no surge capacity in a 3rd world healthcare system like here.

ShyMets · 27-06-2020 02:02PM

Reading back on this thread. I'm just utterly baffled why some posters seem so reluctant to wear a mask on Public Transport and in enclosed public spaces.

By doing so people are helping suppress the spread of the virus. Why would someone not want to do that

sheepsh4gger · 27-06-2020 02:06PM

It would be nice if I could wear a real mask in public:

But I bet some knackers would jump me for it.

xhomelezz · 27-06-2020 02:11PM

Yes: valved

ShyMets wrote: »

Reading back on this thread. I'm just utterly baffled why some posters seem so reluctant to wear a mask on Public Transport and in enclosed public spaces.

By doing so people are helping suppress the spread of the virus. Why would someone not want to do that

I'm hoping it's just small sample of population. Some people doesn't understand that freedom comes with responsibilities.

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 02:13PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

ShyMets wrote: »

Reading back on this thread. I'm just utterly baffled why some posters seem so reluctant to wear a mask on Public Transport and in enclosed public spaces.

By doing so people are helping suppress the spread of the virus. Why would someone not want to do that

I would imagine that all of our health workers wore masks throughout yet we ended up with the highest infection rate of health care workers in the world.
Those were medical grade masks. People making their own at home out of last years underpants thinking they are immune to picking up or spreading the virus

False sense of security.

ShyMets · 27-06-2020 02:18PM

QUOTE=ExMachina1000;113864254]I would imagine that all of our health workers wore masks throughout yet we ended up with the highest infection rate of health care workers in the world.
Those were medical grade masks. People making their own at home out of last years underpants thinking they are immune to picking up or spreading the virus

False sense of security.[/QUOTE]

Wearing a mask isnt about protecting yourself. By wearing one you prevent spreading the virus to others. Which is vital when you consider how many people may be asymptomatic but infectious

sheepsh4gger · 27-06-2020 02:19PM

Imagine everyone wearing masks, it would be amazing.

xhomelezz · 27-06-2020 02:25PM

Yes: valved

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I would imagine that all of our health workers wore masks throughout yet we ended up with the highest infection rate of health care workers in the world.
Those were medical grade masks. People making their own at home out of last years underpants thinking they are immune to picking up or spreading the virus

False sense of security.

Oh did they? I don't think you payed attention to the news in last 3 months.

Sconsey · 27-06-2020 02:27PM

No: other

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Is this in the legislation? I'm not aware that there is one. Maybe it was announced

Is what legislation? smoking ban is, the rest was speculation written in the conditional tense.

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I would imagine that all of our health workers wore masks throughout yet we ended up with the highest infection rate of health care workers in the world.
Those were medical grade masks. People making their own at home out of last years underpants thinking they are immune to picking up or spreading the virus

False sense of security.

You would be wrong though

From the article:
She said the INMO had to lobby the HSE to bring in the mandatory wearing of a face mask for all healthcare workers.

Ms Ní Sheaghdha added: "We had a situation where one of our members was sent off duty because she attended duty with a face mask.

"And she was advised by her management, it was against HSE policy and she was actually sent home."

She said the HSE introduced a mandatory policy for the wearing of face masks on April 22.

rubadub · 27-06-2020 02:44PM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I bet that when I wear my 3M mask rated for viruses the chavs on the Luas will throw a fit.

Option 3. Wear a mask that actually protects but risk fighting 'dubs'

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

It would be nice if I could wear a real mask in public:

But I bet some knackers would jump me for it.

Have there really been cases of people getting the **** kicked out of them in dublin for wearing a mask? any links to the stories?

sheepsh4gger · 27-06-2020 03:03PM

rubadub wrote: »

Have there really been cases of people getting the **** kicked out of them in dublin for wearing a mask? any links to the stories?

>links to stories
The press is censored here, especially when it comes to knacker activity. It's a double standard.

It's enough that they don't like your haircut for them to chase you around or threaten you. Anything out of the ordinary.

Away With The Fairies · 27-06-2020 04:04PM

Yes: valved

There has been criminal prosecutions for the transmission of hiv. The same should happen for this virus.

Seanergy · 27-06-2020 04:05PM

Yes: valved

Sconsey wrote: »

You know that's a very good point. I wonder do the anti-maks guys, who are worried about their freedom, consider the smoking ban an assault on their freedom too?
The 'freedom' phrase is a complete red-herring, it is a constraint. You should be free to not wear a mask but would be constrained where you can go. For example, no mask means no access to indoor public places. Much like the smoking ban, if you don't like it stay outside.
You are still free...free to choose but constrained by the implications of different choices.

In depth exhibtion of archive footage of smoking ban on RTE. Talks about science, politics, cultural shifts, rights, health, money, fears, compliance, law, etc. everything we are discussing now really. Here's a qoute from the anti ban lobbyists video:

In the final analysis this is about people's health and about people's right not to be killed by other people.

Iv'e uploaded a taster vid regarding transport buses below from the archives, but audio rip quality is shocking, crank it up to the tilt or visit RTE for better audio.

Here's a clip of the man of the hour.

Michael Martin in spite of tough opposition from Publican's and Hoteliers and tourism Ireland etc introduced a ban on tobacco smoking in all Irish workplaces. Here's a clip of him celebrating this from last year.

https://twitter.com/MichealMartinTD/status/1111588574858801158

Jim_Hodge · 27-06-2020 04:06PM

Yes: homemade

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There has been criminal prosecutions for the transmission of hiv. The same should happen for this virus.

Again, the extremes. Knowingly infecting somebody with HIV when you knowingly have it is somewhat different to transmitting a virus which you are unaware you have.

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