Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Ineedaname · 27-06-2020 01:34PM

shinzon wrote: »

I found this quite interesting some are going to snigger but I dont care, there has been an outbreak of covid-19 amongst WWE wrestlers and one of the female talent has tested positive for coronavirus a second time so it looks like you can get reinfected

Shin

No it doesn't. That is almost certainly down to a false positive.

shinzon · 27-06-2020 01:43PM

Ineedaname wrote: »

No it doesn't. That is almost certainly down to a false positive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alfredkonuwa/2020/06/25/kayla-braxton-quits-twitter-as-2nd-positive-covid-19-test-incites-cyberbullying/

Nope she has tested positive for coronavirus a second time not a false positive

Shin

tom1ie · 27-06-2020 01:44PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Agreed... we are trusting the bio security of the country to every random idiot brit or yank who arrives here conscientiously adhering to the 14 day rule.

And when you see how some have behaved in their own country... how likely is that ?

So what happens exactly when a Brit or yank that is potentially carrying the virus flys into Ireland next week?
They fill out some form and then what? Are they quarantined in citywest under lock and key like in China or are they allowed come and go as they please?

tom1ie · 27-06-2020 01:45PM

Ineedaname wrote: »

No it doesn't. That is almost certainly down to a false positive.

How do you know?

Drumpot · 27-06-2020 01:51PM

Just getting caught up with international news on COVID. We are doing so well with the fight but it’s imperative that our new government has strict rules regarding travel in and out of Ireland. We’ve spent a fortune on wage subsidies so it would be criminal to open up the country to effectively rubber stamp a second serious wave of infections.

We need to adapt to a more closed border economy as much as reasonably possible for the next 6-18 months. The cost to fully close our economy again will potentially be way more then Trying to squeeze ourselves back to normalcy. Once a cure is found or numbers around the world level off for a prolonged period of time we can go back to our relative pre COVID normal.

Glad I didn’t try to keep my trip to France going now as it’s not a wise thing to travel abroad.

podgeandrodge · 27-06-2020 01:51PM

shinzon wrote: »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alfredkonuwa/2020/06/25/kayla-braxton-quits-twitter-as-2nd-positive-covid-19-test-incites-cyberbullying/

Nope she has tested positive for coronavirus a second time not a false positive

Shin

Ok, I am confused. Can someone explain how someone knows they are definitely positive as opposed to a false positive? I thought that even with her saying she had tested positive, it could still be a false positive.

Boggles · 27-06-2020 02:00PM

Relax, some bint on twitter claiming she has tested positive again does not mean she has tested positive twice.

That's not how science works.

She claims she tested positive back in March, the testing was less than robust back then.

What he know for a fact is false positive tests exist.

Ineedaname · 27-06-2020 02:04PM

shinzon wrote: »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alfredkonuwa/2020/06/25/kayla-braxton-quits-twitter-as-2nd-positive-covid-19-test-incites-cyberbullying/

Nope she has tested positive for coronavirus a second time not a false positive
Shin

That doesn't say it wasn't a false positive.

tom1ie wrote: »

How do you know?

Because we don't have any hard evidence of reinfection. Anecdotal stories are not evidence and should not be treated as such. Tests are not 100% accurate and we know they can give wrong results. When you're testing on such a large scale you're going to get anomalies like this.

Maybe she did get infected twice. It's not impossible. But based on the balance of probabilities it's unlikely.

joeguevara · 27-06-2020 02:07PM

Boggles wrote: »

Relax, some bint on twitter claiming she has tested positive again does not mean she has tested positive twice.

That's not how science works.

She claims she tested positive back in March, the testing was less than robust back then.

What he know for a fact is false positive tests exist.

While I agree it is more than likely down to a false positive, what do you mean that’s not how science works? While some virus gives a sterile immunity after infection such as measles, others can be caught even after infection. Influenza being most common. Infection can be from a different strain or the same one once antibodies are no longer present.

Science is not fixed when it comes to virus and one of the biggest issues I see are people thinking they are out of the woods if they have had Covid 19. They could be reinfected and not be quite as lucky. But it’s too early to know anything concrete at this stage.

opinionated3 · 27-06-2020 02:14PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Just getting caught up with international news on COVID. We are doing so well with the fight but it’s imperative that our new government has strict rules regarding travel in and out of Ireland. We’ve spent a fortune on wage subsidies so it would be criminal to open up the country to effectively rubber stamp a second serious wave of infections.

We need to adapt to a more closed border economy as much as reasonably possible for the next 6-18 months. The cost to fully close our economy again will potentially be way more then Trying to squeeze ourselves back to normalcy. Once a cure is found or numbers around the world level off for a prolonged period of time we can go back to our relative pre COVID normal.

Glad I didn’t try to keep my trip to France going now as it’s not a wise thing to travel abroad.

And how many jobs are you willing to sacrifice in this time period?

tom1ie · 27-06-2020 02:20PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

And how many jobs are you willing to sacrifice in this time period?

How many potential deaths will you accept to keep tourists coming here?

Polar101 · 27-06-2020 02:21PM

joeguevara wrote: »

While I agree it is more than likely down to a false positive, what do you mean that’s not how science works?

There hasn't been reliable reports that reinfections are a thing, so it's likely they aren't. It's possible that will change, but someone saying something on twitter doesn't quite do it.

I think it's similar to the one case detected in France in December, which doesn't prove everyone who had the flu in Ireland during the winter actually had Covid-19 - even though a lot of people are willing to make that leap. But is there scientific evidence? I don't think so.

opinionated3 · 27-06-2020 02:23PM

tom1ie wrote: »

How many potential deaths will you accept to keep tourists coming here?

The virus has a 92% recovery rate in this country AFAIK. That's good enough for me. You didn't answer my question

Polar101 · 27-06-2020 02:26PM

Drumpot wrote: »

We need to adapt to a more closed border economy as much as reasonably possible for the next 6-18 months.

Well, that would probably be a good idea. But doesn't look like it's going to happen, since so many flights are resuming in July and August.

tom1ie · 27-06-2020 02:27PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

The virus has a 92% recovery rate in this country AFAIK. That's good enough for me. You didn't answer my question

In this country at the moment!
So what do you think will happen when tourists from two of the worst affected countries in the world come here and mingle with the natives?
You never asked me a question??

opinionated3 · 27-06-2020 02:32PM

tom1ie wrote: »

In this country at the moment!
So what do you think will happen when tourists from two of the worst affected countries in the world come here and mingle with the natives?
You never asked me a question??

I thought we would only have airbridges with countries that have the virus relatively under control. Which I assume would rule out the states and UK? Most Europeans should be allowed come here IMO. We need to salvage our economy, not destroy it completely, which if we continue listening to holohan is exactly what will happen in the coming months
You replied to my earlier post, that's why I assumed you were attempting to respond to it

tom1ie · 27-06-2020 02:38PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

I thought we would only have airbridges with countries that have the virus relatively under control. Which I assume would rule out the states and UK? Most Europeans should be allowed come here IMO. We need to salvage our economy, not destroy it completely, which if we continue listening to holohan is exactly what will happen in the coming months
You replied to my earlier post, that's why I assumed you were attempting to respond to it

Problem is we are not gonna stop people from the UK coming here as we have a land border with the UK. We can’t stop them coming here.
If the EU ban American citizens from entering the EU well then grand we won’t have to deal with them. If the EU don’t ban them, well then our government more than likely won’t stop them.

Drumpot · 27-06-2020 02:44PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

And how many jobs are you willing to sacrifice in this time period?

How many jobs were lost during the lockdown? Do you want that again?

It’s not as straight forward as “open up and jobs come back”. Arguably a full reopening of our economy , only for it to be shut down again because we didn’t manage it prudently will Cost more on multiple levels in the long, including Job losses.

I’ve given posts many times on what we need to do to adapt. Job losses will happen, but how we manage it over the next 2 years will determine how badly it’s going to impact us. Irish people holidaying in Ireland will compensate for some of the lost tourism so people need to stop fooling themselves that travelling abroad on holidays is grand , it’s not it’s just people suiting themselves and finding ways to justify it.

opinionated3 · 27-06-2020 02:51PM

"job losses will happen". You say it like it's nothing. Feels like an "I'm alright Jack" attitude. How many job losses are acceptable before you say ok, enoughs enough we need to open the economy? What about people who are just about hanging on in their employment now, but desperately need the economy to open up so they can at least try to make their jobs more secure in the long run? Not to mention the overall damage being done to people's mental health. We're not designed to live like this.

Rob A. Bank · 27-06-2020 02:51PM

The Scientific American has produced an excellent graphic with incredibly complex detailed explanations, current as of mid-June, into how SARS-CoV-2 sneaks inside human cells, makes copies of itself and bursts out to infiltrate many more cells, widening infection.

How the immune system would normally attempt to neutralize virus particles and how CoV-2 can block that effort. They explain some of the virus's surprising abilities, such as its capacity to proofread new virus copies as they are being made to prevent mutations that could destroy them. How drugs and vaccines might still be able to overcome the intruders

Inside the Coronavirus

What scientists know about the inner workings of the pathogen that has infected the world

You can become infected in 10 minutes after inhaling the virus and it is already spreading from cell to cell after 10 hours.

Boggles · 27-06-2020 02:52PM

joeguevara wrote: »

While I agree it is more than likely down to a false positive, what do you mean that’s not how science works?

Science

the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment

For all we know the Bint could have been lying about testing positive to seek attention.

Rob A. Bank · 27-06-2020 02:59PM

A host of common health problems boost a person’s risk of becoming seriously ill if infected by the new coronavirus. Now an analysis reveals the extent of this vulnerable group: more than 20% of the world’s population has at least one underlying condition that raises the risk of severe disease.

Andrew Clark at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine and his colleagues examined the prevalence of diabetes, cardiovascular problems and other conditions that predispose people infected with SARS-CoV-2 to severe COVID-19.

Analysing data from 188 nations, the team estimates that 1.7 billion people worldwide have an elevated risk of ‘severe’ illness.

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/langlo/PIIS2214-109X(20)30264-3.pdf

owlbethere · 27-06-2020 03:05PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

The virus has a 92% recovery rate in this country AFAIK. That's good enough for me. You didn't answer my question

The virus didn't get a chance to seep down into the majority of the population, thank goodness. We don't know what the recovery rate would be if it hit a larger portion of the population and if the recovery rate would be still at 92%.

s1ippy · 27-06-2020 03:06PM

Boggles wrote: »

Science

For all we know the Bint could have been lying about testing positive to seek attention.

What a crazy conclusion to draw from that.

https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/immunity-passports-in-the-context-of-covid-19#:~:text=There%20is%20currently%20no%20evidence,multi%2Dstep%20process.

"At this point in the pandemic, there is not enough evidence about the effectiveness of antibody-mediated immunity to guarantee the accuracy of an “immunity passport” or “risk-free certificate.” People who assume that they are immune to a second infection because they have received a positive test result may ignore public health advice."

owlbethere · 27-06-2020 03:08PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The Scientific American has produced an excellent graphic with incredibly complex detailed explanations, current as of mid-June, into how SARS-CoV-2 sneaks inside human cells, makes copies of itself and bursts out to infiltrate many more cells, widening infection.

How the immune system would normally attempt to neutralize virus particles and how CoV-2 can block that effort. They explain some of the virus's surprising abilities, such as its capacity to proofread new virus copies as they are being made to prevent mutations that could destroy them. How drugs and vaccines might still be able to overcome the intruders

Inside the Coronavirus

What scientists know about the inner workings of the pathogen that has infected the world

You can become infected in 10 minutes after inhaling the virus and it is already spreading from cell to cell after 10 hours.

God, that's so scary.

ACitizenErased · 27-06-2020 03:08PM

It's fairly well reported that people continue testing positive in some cases for weeks afterwards without necessarily being infectious. It doesn't indicate re-infection. PCR tests continue to pick up fragments of the virus left over in the nasal cavity.

27-06-2020 03:17PM

owlbethere wrote: »

God, that's so scary.

That’s what viruses do.

stephenjmcd · 27-06-2020 03:18PM

Looks like according to reports that Stephen Donnelly is expected to become minister for health. Lets see what way he approaches covid now.

ACitizenErased · 27-06-2020 03:24PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Looks like according to reports that Stephen Donnelly is expected to become minister for health. Lets see what way he approaches covid now.

let's hope he realises this isn't the 19th COVID

is_that_so · 27-06-2020 03:26PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Looks like according to reports that Stephen Donnelly is expected to become minister for health. Lets see what way he approaches covid now.

Can't say I'd be looking forward to him as MoH but I guess it could have been Louise O'Reilly. Wonder how he'll cope with being the man, seeing as he loves to give grief to others.

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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