General Election and Government Formation Megathread (see post #1)

Imreoir2 · 26-06-2020 10:23PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I'm fuming.

Had hoped the Greens would chicken out.

Its the Green Party, not the Yellow Party.

Less than ideal to have both FF and FF in government, but things will be very different one way or another.

elperello · 26-06-2020 10:28PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/government-formation-green-party-backs-coalition-with-fianna-f%C3%A1il-and-fine-gael-1.4289401

Irish times article on the vote.

It is full of mistakes.

160 TDs in total with Gov 84 TDs means a majority of 4. No it is a majority of 7, as there are 77 opposition TDs. Who writes the garbage?

They also say Micheal Martin is from Kerry, while he is from Turners Cross. Who writes this garbage?

They give the votes as

Who writes this garbage?

Paper of record - my a*se.

That bit about M Martin sounded strange as he is so well known as being from Cork so I checked it out.

It says "So it's obvious that for some Fine Gael people in Kerry, Micheál Martin's home county is an even greater affront!"

It's a humorous remark about the rivalry between Cork and Kerry not a claim that he is a Kerry man.

Glad to clear that up.

Gooey Looey · 26-06-2020 10:58PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Its the Green Party, not the Yellow Party.

Less than ideal to have both FF and FF in government, but things will be very different one way or another.

How will this be any different to the last few years of confidence and supply? Nothing will get fixed. Same old sh1te

Sam Russell · 26-06-2020 11:01PM

elperello wrote: »

That bit about M Martin sounded strange as he is so well known as being from Cork so I checked it out.

It says "So it's obvious that for some Fine Gael people in Kerry, Micheál Martin's home county is an even greater affront!"

It's a humorous remark about the rivalry between Cork and Kerry not a claim that he is a Kerry man.

Glad to clear that up.

I did not get the joke. I read it as saying Micheal had ignored his Kerry origins.

Imreoir2 · 26-06-2020 11:07PM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

How will this be any different to the last few years of confidence and supply? Nothing will get fixed. Same old sh1te

Carbon budgets could be a game changer and the transport budget has been turned on its head for a start.

Gooey Looey · 26-06-2020 11:14PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Carbon budgets could be a game changer and the transport budget has been turned on its head for a start.

And nothing fixed and nothing for rural Ireland

elperello · 26-06-2020 11:15PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

I did not get the joke. I read it as saying Micheal had ignored his Kerry origins.

It's not the best joke going but it's kind of saying that the Cork/Kerry rivalry is even stronger than the FG/FF rivalry.

An IT journalist can be forgiven for mixing up a few numbers but calling MM a Kerry man would be unforgivable

Relax it's not fake news.

guyfawkes5 · 26-06-2020 11:21PM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

And nothing fixed and nothing for rural Ireland

I wouldn't exactly count starting to contribute towards fixing humanity's biggest problem as nothing, and rural Ireland will be disproportionately effected by climate change in the future if left unchecked.

The rural influence in the PFG could be labelled as disproportionate, agriculture got away without proportionate cuts.

Imreoir2 · 26-06-2020 11:23PM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

And nothing fixed and nothing for rural Ireland

3x rural public transport with the expansion of Local Link.

Investment in walking and cycling infrastructure which can make a big imporvement to rural towns and villages.

Town Center first approch to development which should help to breath life back into towns all over the country which have been dying for decades.

Then you have the just transition commitments for the midlands.

Gooey Looey · 26-06-2020 11:38PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

3x rural public transport with the expansion of Local Link.

Investment in walking and cycling infrastructure which can make a big imporvement to rural towns and villages.

Town Center first approch to development which should help to breath life back into towns all over the country which have been dying for decades.

Then you have the just transition commitments for the midlands.

I live in rural Ireland where public transport is no use for me, I need a car and a van. I already have walking infrastructure, a bog road. I live in a village, the best thing they can do for here is stop giving out free houses to those who do not contribute anything to society but that's not likely to change!

Imreoir2 · 26-06-2020 11:57PM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

I live in rural Ireland where public transport is no use for me, I need a car and a van. I already have walking infrastructure, a bog road. I live in a village, the best thing they can do for here is stop giving out free houses to those who do not contribute anything to society but that's not likely to change!

How does social housing affect you? Sounds like begrudgery at its finest.

eagle eye · 27-06-2020 03:23AM

Imreoir2 wrote:

How does social housing affect you? Sounds like begrudgery at its finest.

They send the druggies from cities out to rural towns and villages and next thing you know there's a drug problem in the area. It's now at the stage where there's a drug problem in most towns and villages in Ireland.

beggars_bush · 27-06-2020 07:25AM

eagle eye wrote: »

They send the druggies from cities out to rural towns and villages and next thing you know there's a drug problem in the area. It's now at the stage where there's a drug problem in most towns and villages in Ireland.

Locals are well able to buy, sell drugs too

beggars_bush · 27-06-2020 07:32AM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

And nothing fixed and nothing for rural Ireland

If they did 3 things it would hugely improve rural Ireland

Scale back ribbon development of housing, centralize it in villages with affordable serviced sites provided by councils. Yes, having a house in the countryside is nice, but it's not sustainable

Get more children cycling and walking to school cuts down on traffic. For this schools need bicycle storage sheds and sensible uniform policies

Rural bus routes for people to get in and out of towns- would be huge for shops, pubs and other services. Why doesn't rural Ireland have a nightlink service like in Dublin?

Stop planting non native trees.

(Wait, that's four...)

eagle eye · 27-06-2020 07:48AM

beggars_bush wrote:

Locals are well able to buy, sell drugs too

After they've been introduced to the scene.

Bishop of hope · 27-06-2020 07:52AM

beggars_bush wrote: »

If they did 3 things it would hugely improve rural Ireland

Scale back ribbon development of housing, centralize it in villages with affordable serviced sites provided by councils. Yes, having a house in the countryside is nice, but it's not sustainable

Get more children cycling and walking to school cuts down on traffic. For this schools need bicycle storage sheds and sensible uniform policies

Rural bus routes for people to get in and out of towns- would be huge for shops, pubs and other services. Why doesn't rural Ireland have a nightlink service like in Dublin?

Stop planting non native trees.

(Wait, that's four...)

You want children walking and cycling in rush hour traffic?

Blazer · 27-06-2020 07:56AM

eagle eye wrote: »

After they've been introduced to the scene.

Happened in county limerick once they spread out all the scumbags from Southhill etc.
Now practically every single village in Limerick has a drugs operation in it and are constantly getting raided by cops or the police called to investigate serious crimes out there.

Humilde · 27-06-2020 08:00AM

As sson as the results were in from the last election, the Irish establishment has been in negotiations to shut out Sinn Fein. Its as clear as day. This government was a "fait accompli" well before now. Of course they needed to make it look like it took very long to hammer out an agreement between FG, FF and the Gs. But this was a donedeal the night of the election results. Ireland unfortunately will never have good governance under these circumstances. Not saying that Sinn Fein would solve anything, but any right thinking person would be put off going into politics forever by the fact that even if they beat everyone else hands down, the rest will just drop their own policies and gang together to maintain the status quo. I can 100% guarantee that health and housing will never be tackled by this new grouping. I don't know which of the three are the worst. I just feel sorry for my country and its people. They deserve much better than this.

a very cool kid · 27-06-2020 08:12AM

Humilde wrote: »

As sson as the results were in from the last election, the Irish establishment has been in negotiations to shut out Sinn Fein. Its as clear as day. This government was a "fait accompli" well before now. Of course they needed to make it look like it took very long to hammer out an agreement between FG, FF and the Gs. But this was a donedeal the night of the election results. Ireland unfortunately will never have good governance under these circumstances. Not saying that Sinn Fein would solve anything, but any right thinking person would be put off going into politics forever by the fact that even if they beat everyone else hands down, the rest will just drop their own policies and gang together to maintain the status quo. I can 100% guarantee that health and housing will never be tackled by this new grouping. I don't know which of the three are the worst. I just feel sorry for my country and its people. They deserve much better than this.

Sinn Féin have been the largest party on both Dublin City and SDCC between 2014 - 2019 and they did nothing for housing at either beyond hold up development.

Some of their decisions have been disasters - they botched O Devaney Gardens, they voted against including a garda station in the Clonburris new town (10,000 houses, a large proportion of which will be social housing in rough enough area), then they hacked up social housing rents and blamed it on FF/FG.

FF have made mistakes in the past but at least they are serious and well intentioned. The party has undergone change and reflection not seen in a political party in Ireland in the past 10 years. MM is a good man who wants the best for Ireland and has reinvented the way his party does things to deliver it. I wish him well and hope things run for him the way he'd have liked them too.

eagle eye · 27-06-2020 08:20AM

a very cool kid wrote:

FF have made mistakes in the past but at least they are serious and well intentioned. The party has undergone change and reflection not seen in a political party in Ireland in the past 10 years. MM is a good man who wants the best for Ireland and has reinvented the way his party does things to deliver it. I wish him well and hope things run for him the way he'd have liked them too.

If they had really reflected Martin wouldn't be the leader. A man who was a minister in all those corrupt governments.

uptherebels · 27-06-2020 08:28AM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

This isn't the change people voted for!

What change did people vote for? Nobody seems to be able to give a straight answer.

Gooey Looey · 27-06-2020 08:42AM

uptherebels wrote: »

What change did people vote for? Nobody seems to be able to give a straight answer.

Ah come on, are you being selectively stupid? People voted in droves for Sinn Fein to try force a change of guard

This is it · 27-06-2020 09:03AM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

Ah come on, are you being selectively stupid? People voted in droves for Sinn Fein to try force a change of guard

And more didn't. Selectively stupid is right.

larva · 27-06-2020 09:12AM

uptherebels wrote: »

What change did people vote for? Nobody seems to be able to give a straight answer.

The change people voted was to never let FF run the country ever again! Its insane these shysters are back in power.

Dyr · 27-06-2020 09:24AM

Would a SF/FF/Green coalition be much different in their program for government?

Probably not.

We need a realignment of political parties in Ireland. I reckon there is a space for a centre right party that is not as compromised as FF/FG to hoover up a lot of their vote.

is_that_so · 27-06-2020 09:32AM

larva wrote: »

The change people voted was to never let FF run the country ever again! Its insane these shysters are back in power.

And that would be fine except some people didn't look too hard at what they were voting for, just that they were of a particular ilk. It is a curious turn of events for FF but that's the art of the possible in politics. It is a needed shot at redemption for them, which should be good for us as well.

salmocab · 27-06-2020 10:19AM

larva wrote: »

The change people voted was to never let FF run the country ever again! Its insane these shysters are back in power.

Nobody voted for that at all, some may have felt they were but that’s not the reality. I have no time for FF but they got the same amount of seats as SF and more than FG. Seats are all that matters so it’s fanciful to think people don’t want them, plenty do.

BonnieSituation · 27-06-2020 10:24AM

a very cool kid wrote: »

Sinn Féin have been the largest party on both Dublin City and SDCC between 2014 - 2019 and they did nothing for housing at either beyond hold up development.

Some of their decisions have been disasters - they botched O Devaney Gardens, they voted against including a garda station in the Clonburris new town (10,000 houses, a large proportion of which will be social housing in rough enough area), then they hacked up social housing rents and blamed it on FF/FG.

FF have made mistakes in the past but at least they are serious and well intentioned. The party has undergone change and reflection not seen in a political party in Ireland in the past 10 years. MM is a good man who wants the best for Ireland and has reinvented the way his party does things to deliver it. I wish him well and hope things run for him the way he'd have liked them too.

Are you for real?

I mean, they had a huge amount of their parliamentary party voting against having a referendum on the eighth. They're still an awfully rural rooted conservative shower and I'm disgusted that they're gonna lead the next government.

Martin is a schnake. Best intentions my eye. He would have been out on his ear long ago if they weren't the party that they are.

AndrewJRenko · 27-06-2020 10:37AM

larva wrote: »

The change people voted was to never let FF run the country ever again! Its insane these shysters are back in power.

Gooey Looey wrote: »

Ah come on, are you being selectively stupid? People voted in droves for Sinn Fein to try force a change of guard

Though not in enough droves to actually force a change of guard. That's how the numbers played out.

TBH, I'd say SF are quite happy to sit back and get to complain about everything for another five years without having to do the hard work of balancing needs and resources.

hotmail.com · 27-06-2020 10:41AM

Has the Dail ever met on the northside?

General Election and Government Formation Megathread (see post #1)

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