Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Ginger n Lemon · 26-06-2020 09:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m absolutely sick of these restrictions and measures at this point.

I had a half day today and I decided I’d head up to the shopping centre and have a look around. I’m a 34 year old man and I like to think that I’m somewhat responsible!

I washed my hands thoroughly before leaving the house. Sanitized my hands in the car before getting out. The first 3 shops I went into, I sanitized my hands each time on entry. Also sanitized once with my own.

As I was passing, I decided I’d quickly pop into CEX and have a look at the switch games. I was the only person in the shop. Shop assistant screams at me to use the hand sanitizer. I look around and see a small stool with a tiny bottle of sanitizer on it.

Of course I left the shop feeling like a scruff. And I realise the assistant was probably just doing what he thinks is right. The shop has now lost potential business at a time when business is needed more than ever.

Like I said, I feel like I’m responsible enough to wash my own hands. If I don’t use the sanitizer, it’s because I’ve washed enough in the last hour.

Is it even mandatory to use the sanitizers in EVERY shop? Surely I’m not the only one that feels like we’ve lost all sense of reality at this point?

Anyways, despite the restrictions been “lifted”, I think I’ll be sitting on the sidelines for some time until common sense returns.

I’m more than happy to cook at home, drink at home, order essentials online and save a fortune. I was hoping to put some of my money into the economy but I’ll wait until the madness subsides.

Sad beyond belief. Saddest thing is, senses will come to that person from CEX when they are collecting their 203 euros on a cold October morning.

Irish Aris · 26-06-2020 09:50PM

rocky1813 wrote: »

Does anyone know when the cinemas will be reopening.

They can reopen from Monday but i think most of them were caught offguard with the speeding up, so I reckon very few will open on Monday.

I know that Movies at Dundrum will reopen on Monday, they already have a schedule in their website, mostly hits from the last few months before lockdown.

26-06-2020 09:55PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Watched RTE today, first time in 3 weeks. Oh boy where do I begin

George Lee: "CMO will be staying in Ireland for holidays this year, a staycation, and he recommends everyone does so as well, and I d also like to point out NPHET say that Irish people should stay in Ireland this year and not travel abroad and not listen to the airlines".

That there is absolute business, jobs murdering propaganda on national f TV. absolute disgrace.

Followed by some woman falling in a river, getting rescued by a Gardai, and WHAT DO YOU know started to hug every Gardai (3 in total), no masks, no social distancing nothing. Crowd standing beside them cheering them up, no social distancing or masks.

Are we in some sort of cuckoo land here in Ireland?? Not watching that shi*e for another 3 weeks anyways.

What was actually said was people should consider spending their vacation money at home, which may in fact save some jobs.

gral6 · 26-06-2020 10:06PM

10 people from my little company of 14 are losing their jobs from Monday, next week. Tony Holohan and Simon Harris burn in hell !!!

prunudo · 26-06-2020 10:16PM

gral6 wrote: »

10 people from my little company of 14 are losing their jobs from Monday, next week. Tony Holohan and Simon Harris burn in hell !!!

What industry do you mind me asking? My oh got word yesterday, she wouldn't be going back on Monday as planned. She's in childcare and her bosses reckon with all the rules and lack of numbers its unviable. And its seems its a matter of if rather when they may re open

Deep Thought · 26-06-2020 10:18PM

Nonoperational wrote: »

Jeez lads just take a squeeze on the way in. Hardly the end of the world.

Agreed, first male Karen’s I’ve seen

Ginger n Lemon · 26-06-2020 10:20PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What was actually said was people should consider spending their vacation money at home, which may in fact save some jobs.

Well first off in that scenario thousands more of Ryanair and Aerlingus jobs will be lost along with Cork, Shannon and Dublin airports. These are high paying jobs, not kitchen porter jobs from BnBs on west coast of Ireland. Our economy will be screwed much further.

2nd off, really? Has it come down to this, government recommending where you spend your holiday? And you clap along all happy thinking that will save hospitality and tourism jobs and not actual reopening of the country to tourists?

igCorcaigh · 26-06-2020 10:21PM

That report about the virus being detected in March 2019 in Barcelona sewage water...

False match or contamination perhaps?

Edit: sorry, I'll try to find a link. Reuters reported on it. My Google search is broken on android.

Deep Thought · 26-06-2020 10:22PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That health app has always been on iPhones no ?

Donkeys years

stephenjmcd · 26-06-2020 10:26PM

Deep Thought wrote: »

Donkeys years

Thought so alright, don't usually use apple myself but the work phone is an iPhone so knew I'd seen it before

Ginger n Lemon · 26-06-2020 10:29PM

gral6 wrote: »

10 people from my little company of 14 are losing their jobs from Monday, next week. Tony Holohan and Simon Harris burn in hell !!!

Absolutely fking disgraceful. We will have 15% unemployment till 2022. But too many are way too uneducated to truly understand the impact of this. 2008 will seem like childs play in comparison to this. Just when you thought Irish healthcare couldnt get any worse, oh wait for 1 to 2 years when funding for such will be cut much further.

26-06-2020 10:35PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Well first off in that scenario thousands more of Ryanair and Aerlingus jobs will be lost along with Cork, Shannon and Dublin airports. These are high paying jobs, not kitchen porter jobs from BnBs on west coast of Ireland. Our economy will be screwed much further.

2nd off, really? Has it come down to this, government recommending where you spend your holiday? And you clap along all happy thinking that will save hospitality and tourism jobs and not actual reopening of the country to tourists?

Do you honestly believe That if we lifted all restrictions tomorrow tourists would flood into the country? This year is going to have tiny levels of international travel irrespective of restrictions. It a write off, and has been since early March. We are going to need to conserve what we can. The amount of money that Irish people spend on foreign holidays every year is actually not at all insignificant compared to what overseas visitors spend here. What is so wrong with encouraging Irish people to spend some of that money here, because the tourist won’t be back en mass until next year irrespective of what we do.

gral6 · 26-06-2020 10:35PM

prunudo wrote: »

What industry do you mind me asking? My oh got word yesterday, she wouldn't be going back on Monday as planned. She's in childcare and her bosses reckon with all the rules and lack of numbers its unviable. And its seems its a matter of if rather when they may re open

Electronics engineering

Hurrache · 26-06-2020 10:40PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Watched RTE today, first time in 3 weeks. Oh boy where do I begin

Well that can't be true as you're always complaining about how Irish media reports this.

So one of these things is a lie.

26-06-2020 10:49PM

gral6 wrote: »

Electronics engineering

What industry do ye support mainly. What I am seeing is that multinationals are freezing capital expenditure projects to preserve cash until things return to stability, even in cases where sales are still buoyant. This will have a disproportionate effect on small engineering firms. It is a global issue however and nothing to do with measures implemented locally

26-06-2020 11:14PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I don't get this attitude at all. It baffles me. You and a good few of the posters who thanked this have been going on for weeks about how much the restrictions are harming the economy and now that things are finally easing up a bit you're not going to support shops who are trying to stay open because they're mildly inconveniencing you? I know it's a pain in the ass but at the end of the day it's not hard to just do what they're asking.

They don't know that you've washed your hands before going out. You don't know what kind of conditions they or the people they live with might have. They're just trying to be careful. Maybe it is overkill, but you're doing no harm to yourself whatsoever by just going along with it.

Getting screamed at for not using a tiny bottle of sanitizer when I’ve cleaned my hands about 4 times in an hour is not my idea of fun. I’ll just stick to online.

I won’t bother going to a pub either and getting told how long I can stay and how much I must spend on food.

Accepting these kind of rules in society is dangerous for the future.

Unfortunately we might have to wait for the economy to collapse to see change.

Ginger n Lemon · 26-06-2020 11:21PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you honestly believe That if we lifted all restrictions tomorrow tourists would flood into the country? This year is going to have tiny levels of international travel irrespective of restrictions. It a write off, and has been since early March. We are going to need to conserve what we can. The amount of money that Irish people spend on foreign holidays every year is actually not at all insignificant compared to what overseas visitors spend here. What is so wrong with encouraging Irish people to spend some of that money here, because the tourist won’t be back en mass until next year irrespective of what we do.

What other EU country has written off tourism this year?

Spain? Opened for business. Italy? Germany? All welcome tourists not just from EU. Greece? Croatia? Yes sir.

We must be very special in addition to being very slow. Lets all clap for Tony H and NPHET

Dickie10 · 26-06-2020 11:32PM

Noticing the first signs of the media switching off from Covid 19. There begining to sound less and less enthusiastic about reporting on it and its being pushed further and further down the news menu. I expect to hear very little from Tony and co in phase 3 . to be honest i would think phase 4 will be hauled in before july 20th. Leo will be shoved off stage by Micheal if he dosent move quick and pull in phase 4 around july 10th. then he can give his final, victory speech. be some doing for leo to get if Micheal gets the victory speech for last restrictions lifted.

Ginger n Lemon · 26-06-2020 11:34PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What industry do ye support mainly. What I am seeing is that multinationals are freezing capital expenditure projects to preserve cash until things return to stability, even in cases where sales are still buoyant. This will have a disproportionate effect on small engineering firms. It is a global issue however and nothing to do with measures implemented locally

This is all youve got to say? 10 people have lost their job, and all youve got to say is "What industry do ye support"? "What Im seeing is that multinationals are..."

Wow.

Ginger n Lemon · 26-06-2020 11:39PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

Noticing the first signs of the media switching off from Covid 19. There begining to sound less and less enthusiastic about reporting on it and its being pushed further and further down the news menu. I expect to hear very little from Tony and co in phase 3 . to be honest i would think phase 4 will be hauled in before july 20th. Leo will be shoved off stage by Micheal if he dosent move quick and pull in phase 4 around july 10th. then he can give his final, victory speech. be some doing for leo to get if Micheal gets the victory speech for last restrictions lifted.

I hope you are right. Since May 1 it feels more like a political game "look at us FG lifting restrictions early, we are so great" rather than, as 1 poster loves to call it "we are in the middle of a pandemic" with new cases in single digits.

Multipass · 26-06-2020 11:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Getting screamed at for not using a tiny bottle of sanitizer when I’ve cleaned my hands about 4 times in an hour is not my idea of fun. I’ll just stick to online.

I won’t bother going to a pub either and getting told how long I can stay and how much I must spend on food.

Accepting these kind of rules in society is dangerous for the future.

Unfortunately we might have to wait for the economy to collapse to see change.

Same here. I was really looking forward to cafes opening, but after a miserable trip into town today, I’m realising a few things. The small cafes are going to have only a few tables - the last customer they’ll want is me sitting on my own with a coffee and snack, when that table could seat a family eating cooked food. And the queues! people will be waiting for you to finish up. With so few customers staff will be desperate for big orders. It’s going to be miserable. Was heading into a shop today, queue of about 50 people on the pavement outside - I just went home and will buy online from amazon instead. I can’t see how businesses are going to survive social distancing.

Goldengirl · 26-06-2020 11:45PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I agree, its not fun at all. But why not just use it in the first place? It's a small gesture to help out a business that's probably struggling.

Within the same post you're refusing to support businesses then acing worried about the economy. Do you not see how hypocritical that is? It seems to me like the real concern here is you want life to go back to normal. Which is understandable tbh, but why not come out and say that?

Yes, and the staff in the shops are being watched by the public , some of whom are quick to take to social media and complain as I have seen people here, naming shops etc . They have to do what they have been told to do, or their jobs are at risk .

Jackdaniel14
Do pretend to sanitised your hands if you've just done it , won't do you any harm and good for the economy .

26-06-2020 11:52PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I agree, its not fun at all. But why not just use it in the first place? It's a small gesture to help out a business that's probably struggling.

Within the same post you're refusing to support businesses then acing worried about the economy. Do you not see how hypocritical that is? It seems to me like the real concern here is you want life to go back to normal. Which is understandable tbh, but why not come out and say that?

It’s not necessarily wanting to return to normality though, it’s more wanting others to come back to reality.

We live in a country now were the government are paying lots of people 350 euro a week. The banks are obliged to give everyone a pay break on their mortgages and loans. Businesses are dropping like flies. Hospitals are half empty. Dublin City centre is deserted in the evenings.

What are we doing about it? Screaming at people over some hand sanitizer in a county with no Covid cases.. All of these restrictions should be gone at this point. And that includes things like stupid time limits in pubs.

And yet, despite the fact that we’re afraid to open our own pubs, it seems like we’re fairly eager to allow flights to start coming back in.

Sense and a return to reality are very much needed.

vid36 · 26-06-2020 11:59PM

Opening up tourism is such a great idea. Invite all the Brits back to Temple Bar, open all up and hope for best. Who cares if their government believes their actual figure of new cases is 3000 per day.

Irish Aris · 27-06-2020 12:06AM

Multipass wrote: »

Same here. I was really looking forward to cafes opening, but after a miserable trip into town today, I’m realising a few things. The small cafes are going to have only a few tables - the last customer they’ll want is me sitting on my own with a coffee and snack, when that table could seat a family eating cooked food. And the queues! people will be waiting for you to finish up. With so few customers staff will be desperate for big orders. It’s going to be miserable. Was heading into a shop today, queue of about 50 people on the pavement outside - I just went home and will buy online from amazon instead. I can’t see how businesses are going to survive social distancing.

I was actually thinking the same thing earlier about my local restaurant/bar that i used for takeaway the last few weeks. I went today to get some food and they have started preparing for reopening. They have removed some tables for social distancing. It's not a big place to begin with: they use half of the space for restaurant and it would previously hold around 30 people, but now it looks like they will be down to 20 at best. I would love to go and sit down for a meal, but unless they aren't busy/have spare capacity I wouldn't do that. Incoming Cash will be important to them.

On the point earlier about the hand sanitizer: I used it back in March/April when going to the supermarket, but my skin kept breaking. Not sure if it's an allergy or the fact that I have a dry skin condition. I stopped using it and instead went for the single use gloves available in the supermarket (goes without saying that last thing before I left home was wash my hands and always use my own bags, not a basket for the supermarket). Now I have gotten to the point that I carry a soap bar around and wash my hands at every chance. I guess I wouldn't be very eager to visit a shop that has mandatory use of hand sanitizer. First world problems, I know. . .

Goldengirl · 27-06-2020 12:12AM

Irish Aris wrote: »

I was actually thinking the same thing earlier about my local restaurant/bar that i used for takeaway the last few weeks. I went today to get some food and they have started preparing for reopening. They have removed some tables for social distancing. It's not a big place to begin with: they use half of the space for restaurant and it would previously hold around 30 people, but now it looks like they will be down to 20 at best. I would love to go and sit down for a meal, but unless they aren't busy/have spare capacity I wouldn't do that. Incoming Cash will be important to them.

On the point earlier about the hand sanitizer: I used it back in March/April when going to the supermarket, but my skin kept breaking. Not sure if it's an allergy or the fact that I have a dry skin condition. I stopped using it and instead went for the single use gloves available in the supermarket (goes without saying that last thing before I left home was wash my hands and always use my own bags, not a basket for the supermarket). Now I have gotten to the point that I carry a soap bar around and wash my hands at every chance. I guess I wouldn't be very eager to visit a shop that has mandatory use of hand sanitizer. First world problems, I know. . .

Yes some of them are very harsh , others have a skin moisturiser in .
You can sanitise the gloves you know . Better to do that than carry anything around on them from shop to shop .

acequion · 27-06-2020 02:06AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Again you're taking about businesses having problems yet by your own admission you refused to support a business today for a fairly petty reason. Your concern clearly isn't for businesses, so why try to claim that it is?

You think all the restrictions should be gone, and to be honest at this stage I don't think that's an unreasonable idea. But think about it from the other side for a moment. Imagine shops were letting everyone in without asking people to use sanitiser. You'd have a big group of people kicking up a fuss and boycotting the shop for the exact opposite reason than you.

Just go along with things for a few weeks. At this stage it's mostly just optics. Make a show of sanitising your hands, get on with things otherwise, and fingers crossed we'll have moved on from all of this in no time.

While I do see your point to an extent about going along with things, I'm more with the other poster and don't think he was petty. Being hounded to sanitise your hands in every shop is not a pleasant experience. In my local Dunnes one assistant quite aggressively reminds everyone to keep back. People might go along with this for a while but they'll very soon get sick of it. People might want to support local businesses but not if the experience feels like a military operation.

MickeyLeari · 27-06-2020 03:41AM

Irish Aris wrote: »

I was actually thinking the same thing earlier about my local restaurant/bar that i used for takeaway the last few weeks. I went today to get some food and they have started preparing for reopening. They have removed some tables for social distancing. It's not a big place to begin with: they use half of the space for restaurant and it would previously hold around 30 people, but now it looks like they will be down to 20 at best. I would love to go and sit down for a meal, but unless they aren't busy/have spare capacity I wouldn't do that. Incoming Cash will be important to them.

On the point earlier about the hand sanitizer: I used it back in March/April when going to the supermarket, but my skin kept breaking. Not sure if it's an allergy or the fact that I have a dry skin condition. I stopped using it and instead went for the single use gloves available in the supermarket (goes without saying that last thing before I left home was wash my hands and always use my own bags, not a basket for the supermarket). Now I have gotten to the point that I carry a soap bar around and wash my hands at every chance. I guess I wouldn't be very eager to visit a shop that has mandatory use of hand sanitizer. First world problems, I know. . .

You could try this. https://thehandmadesoapcompany.ie/collections/bestsellers/products/hand-sanitiser-lemongrass-cedarwood-100ml

I have had similar problems with the industrial ones but not with this brand plus I think it is better to use your own:

Penfailed · 27-06-2020 05:56AM

acequion wrote: »

Being hounded to sanitise your hands in every shop is not a pleasant experience.

I agree. That's not what happened though. It was one shop. It should be a habit by now anyway.

MadYaker · 27-06-2020 06:28AM

acequion wrote: »

While I do see your point to an extent about going along with things, I'm more with the other poster and don't think he was petty. Being hounded to sanitise your hands in every shop is not a pleasant experience. In my local Dunnes one assistant quite aggressively reminds everyone to keep back. People might go along with this for a while but they'll very soon get sick of it. People might want to support local businesses but not if the experience feels like a military operation.

Well if people can’t do the basics then we’ll be back on lockdown by the end of the summer. It’s already happening in multiple countries. Nobody shouldn’t even have to be told to sanitise their hands by now, they should just be doing it.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings