Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Goldengirl · 26-06-2020 02:55PM

is_that_so wrote: »

"Some 40% of residents in the Tyrolean skiing resort that has been described as a possible “ground zero” for the pandemic in Europe have developed Covid-19 antibodies, scientists have found." About as close to herd immunity as we are likely to get!

Yes . Strong antibodies and apparently asymptomatic mostly.

is_that_so · 26-06-2020 02:58PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes . Strong antibodies and apparently asymptomatic mostly.

But in a very specific hotspot. Very few other places would classed as such and most antibody test results have come up with 5-12% for the general population.

Drumpot · 26-06-2020 02:59PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes . Strong antibodies and apparently asymptomatic mostly.

Is it too early to say how lung antibodies last?

ACitizenErased · 26-06-2020 03:01PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Is it too early to say how lung antibodies last?

Some cases don't even need antibodies to fight the virus, t-cells do it. Which means that it could be even higher than 40%.

Goldengirl · 26-06-2020 03:02PM

is_that_so wrote: »

But in a very specific hotspot. Very few other places would classed as such and most antibody test results have come up with 5-12% for the general population.

Yes but shows how one or two asymptomatic spreaders can seed the disease to so many people given the right conditions.
Big thing here was the amount of nationalities visiting this one hotspot .

PixieValentine · 26-06-2020 03:35PM

Jesus. Poor Florida.

https://twitter.com/abc27/status/1276536056532414465?s=20

Dayjur · 26-06-2020 03:38PM

PixieValentine wrote: »

Jesus. Poor Florida.

https://twitter.com/abc27/status/1276536056532414465?s=20

poor me hole America chose this

PixieValentine · 26-06-2020 03:43PM

Dayjur wrote: »

poor me hole America chose this

Not everyone. I have two friends who live in Florida. One who is very medically vulnerable. Both scared of catching the virus, both who have done everything “right” from the beginning. Both have been tearing their hair out at the handling of it by of so many there.

Rob A. Bank · 26-06-2020 03:43PM

The World Health Organization has drawn attention to an emerging critical problem.

About 15% of all COVID-19 patients experience severe illness that requires oxygen therapy, while another 5% need ventilation.

With reported cases Covid-19 increasing at 1 million per week now, the world needs 620,000 cubic meters of medicinal Oxygen per day. That is 88,000 large cylinders/day and some countries are unable to keep up with the demand.

In the west an oxygen supply like an electricity supply, is taken for granted in hospitals, but as Covid wreaks havoc in the developing world things are going from bad to worse.

Peru is badly affected by the shortage and some terrible heartbreaking stories are emerging...

Television. Sewing machine. Motorcycle.

These are the things Edda Marchan's children sold to keep their mother breathing.

In the far stretch of northern Peru where the family lives, medicinal oxygen to treat the coronavirus has become a scarce commodity.

Eventually, they could not find any.

"It's the greatest desperation in the world," said her daughter, 39-year-old Fiorella Sorroza. "We are praying to God not to abandon us."

In the South American nation wracked by COVID-19, one of the world's most abundant elements is now in short supply. Exasperated relatives are racing to fill overpriced tanks. Long neglected hospitals are running empty. And President Martín Vizcarra has issued an emergency decree ordering industrial plants to ramp up production or purchase oxygen from other countries.

"Peru, with the Amazon, has the lungs of the planet," said Iván Hidalgo, academic director of the Institute of Government and Public Management in Peru's capital of Lima. "And we're dying because of lack of oxygen."

https://www.theitem.com/stories/peru-is-running-out-of-oxygen-for-covid-19-patients,346468

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8tYdiARLI4

ACitizenErased · 26-06-2020 03:43PM

PixieValentine wrote: »

Not everyone. I have two friends who live in Florida. One who is very medically vulnerable. Both scared of catching the virus, both who have done everything “right” from the beginning. Both have been tearing their hair out at the handling of it by of so many there.

If the US changes leadership come November, there will be people prosecuted for their response. It's wilful ignorance.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-06-2020 03:52PM

PixieValentine wrote: »

Jesus. Poor Florida.

https://twitter.com/abc27/status/1276536056532414465?s=20

That's absolutely dreadful.

It's criminal negligence and ignorance that has led to this situation.

No leadership.

Goldengirl · 26-06-2020 03:53PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Is it too early to say how lung antibodies last?

Yes, true . No idea yet , could be weeks , months or years. Antibody response to virus appears to be based on how virulent an infection the person gets .
Which is why the ski resort example is strange , as those people were mainly asymptomatic, which doesn't usually go with a bad infection, but with Covid, it's all new .
T cells help to make antibodies in response to an infection .
However if killer T Cells involved they can attack the organism directly.

Icantthinkof1 · 26-06-2020 03:59PM

speckle wrote: »

I hate websites that dont date updates when they add extra information to a news post.
Just checked back on asthma.ie news feed an lo and behold we now have a definition of severe asthma. That wasnt there 3/4 days ago when I checked their website yet again before posting.
I know they are a non profit so thankyou whoever added the information at last. Page is looking good and informative now.
https://www.asthma.ie/news/severe-asthma-and-cocooning

I just read that link there and got onto the HSE website which was updated yesterday and they’re saying that those with severe asthma are in the extremely high risk category and are advised to continue to cocoon and other asthmatics are still placed in the high risk category?
I thought asthmatics weren’t considered to be high risk with Covid due to regular use of steroid inhalers

ACitizenErased · 26-06-2020 04:01PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

I just read that link there and got onto the HSE website which was updated yesterday and they’re saying that those with severe asthma are in the extremely high risk category and are advised to continue to cocoon and other asthmatics are still placed in the high risk category?
I thought asthmatics weren’t considered to be high risk with Covid?

It's fairly commonly agreed now that asthmatics are not as at risk as previously thought. Virtually none of hospitalised cases in China and New York were asthmatics.

is_that_so · 26-06-2020 04:02PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

I just read that link there and got onto the HSE website which was updated yesterday and they’re saying that those with severe asthma are in the extremely high risk category and are advised to continue to cocoon and other asthmatics are still placed in the high risk category?
I thought asthmatics weren’t considered to be high risk with Covid due to regular use of steroid inhalers

Not something I know about but someone mentioned to me they had checked with the Asthma Society just to clarify things.

hmmm · 26-06-2020 04:08PM

Florida has suspended sales of alcohol in bars
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/26/drinking-alcohol-at-florida-bars-suspended

Pub owners over here are going to have to be very responsible, hopefully the vitners police their own members. Any repeat of the scenes we say back before Paddy's day and they won't be long getting shut down. This will not be business as usual.

Icantthinkof1 · 26-06-2020 04:11PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's fairly commonly agreed now that asthmatics are not as at risk as previously thought. Virtually none of hospitalised cases in China and New York were asthmatics.

Thank you; had panicked when I saw it was from the HSE and saw that it had been updated only yesterday. I hope they amend it!

stephenjmcd · 26-06-2020 04:15PM

hmmm wrote: »

Florida has suspended sales of alcohol in bars
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/26/drinking-alcohol-at-florida-bars-suspended

Pub owners over here are going to have to be very responsible, hopefully the vitners police their own members. Any repeat of the scenes we say back before Paddy's day and they won't be long getting shut down. This will not be business as usual.

Firstly it's a bit different really you cant compare like for like, the states are a mess, they never got first surge under control before opening everything up. We all know who's to blame for that.

Secondly the "scenes" were from temple bar, I'd guarantee 99% of anyone in the videos was a tourist, who in their right mind goes to temple bar. The guidelines are in place for restaurants to open on Monday so your hardly going to see pictures of jam packed establishments.

I'm not having a go here at all, its just very different circumstances

lukas8888 · 26-06-2020 04:17PM

hmmm wrote: »

Florida has suspended sales of alcohol in bars
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/26/drinking-alcohol-at-florida-bars-suspended

Pub owners over here are going to have to be very responsible, hopefully the vitners police their own members. Any repeat of the scenes we say back before Paddy's day and they won't be long getting shut down. This will not be business as usual.

The prospect of the vintners association policing publicans is zero.

26-06-2020 04:19PM

Cafe in Paris enforcing social distancing. Probably the prettiest picture of a dystopian future you'll ever find.

ACitizenErased · 26-06-2020 04:24PM

Not really sure if they've begun testing everyone who goes to a doctor but testing referrals rose to nearly 6000 yesterday for the first time in... a long time.
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-%E2%80%93-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-26-june-2020.pdf

owlbethere · 26-06-2020 04:24PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

If the US changes leadership come November, there will be people prosecuted for their response. It's wilful ignorance.

Its negligence pure and simple.

What Boris Johnson did as well in the early days aiming for herd immunity was also negligence. He did sweet Fcuk all to protect his people from this virus in the early days. How that man sleeps at night I will never know. He messed with this virus as if it was a cold.

is_that_so · 26-06-2020 04:26PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not really sure if they've begun testing everyone who goes to a doctor but testing referrals rose to nearly 6000 yesterday for the first time in... a long time.
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-%E2%80%93-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-26-june-2020.pdf

At 0.5% that's a max of 30 cases.

speckle · 26-06-2020 04:28PM

They probably will not amend it. Severe asthma is a whole kettle of fish different from asthma generally. If you read down the page to its definition and the medications someone may be on and the number of hospitilization/infections they may have had you will realise why.
Asthmatics in general seem to be less represented in hispitilsed cases that doesnt mean they are not there.
Again most asthmatics in Ireland have never seen a specialist and once they are given inhalers... it is away and off with you if your an adult will little follow up. You are ahead of the posse uf you have an asthma action plan though.
Anyhow no one here can give medical advise so in doubt talk to your Gp or ring the asthma.ie helpline nurse.

Boggles · 26-06-2020 04:32PM

hmmm wrote: »

vitners police their own members.

Yeah, they have a fantastic track record on public health.

Apart from opposing every single drink driving legislation for the past 50 years, the smoking ban and the minimum wage.

They supported the fúck out of minimum pricing though. Wonder why? :pac:

ACitizenErased · 26-06-2020 04:33PM

is_that_so wrote: »

At 0.5% that's a max of 30 cases.

Positivity rate will be way lower than that, 0.2 or 0.3 I'm thinking.

stephenjmcd · 26-06-2020 04:37PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not really sure if they've begun testing everyone who goes to a doctor but testing referrals rose to nearly 6000 yesterday for the first time in... a long time.
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-%E2%80%93-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-26-june-2020.pdf

Unless mass testing of the nursing home staff has kicked off again, it was said last week it was to start soon.

Maybe they'd be covered in that, who knows. Maybe it'll be asked this evening

lukas8888 · 26-06-2020 04:38PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, they have a fantastic track record on public health.

Apart from opposing every single drink driving legislation for the past 50 years, the smoking ban and the minimum wage.

They supported the fúck out of minimum pricing though. Wonder why? :pac:

What do you expect, Turkeys voting for Xmas.

Boggles · 26-06-2020 04:40PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The guidelines are in place for restaurants to open on Monday so your hardly going to see pictures of jam packed establishments.

All pubs are open in 3 weeks.

I guarantee you will see those pictures.

Boggles · 26-06-2020 04:41PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

What do you expect, Turkeys voting for Xmas.

I don't expect anything, thus my response.

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