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Coronavirus in Limerick City

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    #1232
    dashoonage
    Registered Users Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭dashoonage


    **** me lads, let it go.


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    #1233
    kilburn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭kilburn


    dashoonage wrote:
    **** me lads, let it go.


    Getting fairly twitchy here these days


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    #1234
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Except that it is illegal. Road Traffic Act, 1961 .

    98.—(1) A person shall not do any act (whether of commission or omission) which causes or is likely to cause traffic through any public place to be obstructed.

    (2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) of this section shall be guilty of an offence.

    (3) Where a person is charged with an offence under this section, it shall be a good defence to the charge for him to show that there was lawful authority for the act complained of or that it was due to unavoidable accident.

    Except that the law can't override the right of citizens to assemble peaceably and without arms granted by Article 40.6.1.ii of the Constitution, which grants a perfect defence to the above. :pac:

    You might find the ICCL guidelines useful, although they are not legal advice. https://www.iccl.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Know-Your-Rights-Protest.pdf


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    #1235
    Mc Love
    Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Pedestrianised streets and footpaths are for people. Public roads are for cars. On this occasion the driver was right and the protesters were wrong as they were illegally blocking a public road.

    You're wrong on that, very wrong. Pedestrians, cyclists and horse-riders have a right to be on the road. Motorists on the other hand have to a licence to operate a vehicle on the road.

    Go look it up


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    #1236
    Granadino
    Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭Granadino


    Hi folks. I'll be getting on a plane in a week and looking for a FFFP2 or KN95 mask for the airport and plane. Anyone know of a shop or pharmacy with these in stock in Limerick or surrounds?


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    #1237
    kilburn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭kilburn


    Granadino wrote:
    Hi folks. I'll be getting on a plane in a week and looking for a FFFP2 or KN95 mask for the airport and plane. Anyone know of a shop or pharmacy with these in stock in Limerick or surrounds?


    Try James McMahon or the Coop stores


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    #1238
    Irish Wolf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭Irish Wolf


    Granadino wrote: »
    Hi folks. I'll be getting on a plane in a week and looking for a FFFP2 or KN95 mask for the airport and plane. Anyone know of a shop or pharmacy with these in stock in Limerick or surrounds?


    One of the places Google pointed to is here.


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    #1239
    Brian Lighthouse
    Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Brian Lighthouse


    If I may,
    Lads relax.
    Live and let live - if someone feels they are keeping their family safe with wearing something, let it be, it's none of your business. People cope how people cope. Instead: Worry about your own family and not about whether someone has the same point of view as yourself.

    Blocking roads - along with being against some aspect of the law, an act or a statute - it costs a fortune and is a logistical exercise to people organising events, just ask the organisers of the Great Limerick Run for example. I don't believe anyone should pull up a few bits of fold-able garden/commercial furniture and take it upon themselves to block a road without seeking the prior permission. What next? A serious question.
    What next, if the blocking of the road doesn't change anything in the way you would like it to change, what's the next move?

    "We, all of us in the gutter", chill out and be happy that not everyone is the same as yourself, not everyone is looking at the stars, some have other issues, some don't care, some will happily rob you, some gleefully deceive you and some will want to save the world. However, we all share this space and we should not allow any sort of tyranny to emerge.

    Now, there's my tuppence worth. Hopefully you have kept safe and sincere sympathy to those who lost loved ones over the last four months.


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    #1240
    Granadino
    Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭Granadino


    kilburn wrote: »
    Try James McMahon or the Coop stores
    Irish Wolf wrote: »
    One of the places Google pointed to is here.

    Thanks folks! I haven't been in town properly since March, and no way I'm going to an airport or on a plane without one despite what people say is useful, useless or not.


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    #1241
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Moses Raspy Safari wrote: »
    Except that the law can't override the right of citizens to assemble peaceably and without arms granted by Article 40.6.1.ii of the Constitution, which grants a perfect defence to the above. :pac:

    You might find the ICCL guidelines useful, although they are not legal advice. https://www.iccl.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Know-Your-Rights-Protest.pdf

    In that very document you linked.
    During a protest, Gardaí may intervene.... if they think the
    protest is causing too much disruption to other people or to traffic.
    They may do this if protesters:
    block traffic for a very long time and traffic cannot be diverted onto
    another route;

    Also from the citizens information on said article of the constitution.
    Parades and processions are not illegal but it is a public nuisance to obstruct a highway.
    So yes, the law can override the citizens right to assemble. The Gardai chose not to last weekend until a motorist was denied entry onto the street.


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    #1242
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Mc Love wrote: »
    You're wrong on that, very wrong. Pedestrians, cyclists and horse-riders have a right to be on the road. Motorists on the other hand have to a licence to operate a vehicle on the road.

    Go look it up

    S.I. No. 182/1997 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations, 1997
    46. (1) A pedestrian shall exercise care and take all reasonable precautions in order to avoid causing danger or inconvenience to traffic and other pedestrians.

    4) Subject to sub-article (5), save when crossing the roadway, a pedestrian shall use a footway if one is provided, and if one is not provided, shall keep as near as possible to the right edge of the roadway.

    Pedestrians have a right to be on the road once they follow the rules laid down in the statute books.


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    #1243
    kilburn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭kilburn


    I can hear Elsa singing right now...... Let it go.....

    I believe this thread was originally set up to discuss Covid 19 in Limerick and not the Road Traffic Acts.

    Back on topic there is a very interesting new map by electoral region to view case numbers by area.


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    #1244
    dashoonage
    Registered Users Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭dashoonage


    kilburn wrote: »
    I can hear Elsa singing right now...... Let it go.....

    I believe this thread was originally set up to discuss Covid 19 in Limerick and not the Road Traffic Acts.

    Back on topic there is a very interesting new map by electoral region to view case numbers by area.

    link us up with this very interesting new map ?


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    #1245
    Mc Love
    Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    S.I. No. 182/1997 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations, 1997



    Pedestrians have a right to be on the road once they follow the rules laid down in the statute books.

    No - one was being severly inconvenienced though to be fair. The other side of Catherine St could be accessed by Roches St. Or they could get out of the car and walk to where they were going.

    This thread was indeed started to discuss COVID19 in limerick and the pedestrianisation for Catherine st was to allow pedestrians to safely distance themselves from others without being cramped on the narrow sidewalks. 4 lanes dedicated to motor traffic and two 1 metre wide footpaths isnt suitable for supporting businesses while the cabal of traders that objected to it are on generous pedestrian areas.


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    #1246
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,737 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Mc Love wrote: »
    No - one was being severly inconvenienced though to be fair. The other side of Catherine St could be accessed by Roches St. Or they could get out of the car and walk to where they were going.

    This thread was indeed started to discuss COVID19 in limerick and the pedestrianisation for Catherine st was to allow pedestrians to safely distance themselves from others without being cramped on the narrow sidewalks. 4 lanes dedicated to motor traffic and two 1 metre wide footpaths isnt suitable for supporting businesses while the cabal of traders that objected to it are on generous pedestrian areas.

    There are two cabals here, the traders that voiced their opinion on the proposal and then you have the unelected, self appointed individuals that took the law into their own hands and gave the two fingers to our health workers with their inconsiderate blockade/gathering.


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    #1247
    ChewBerecca
    Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭ChewBerecca


    phog wrote: »
    There are two cabals here, the traders that voiced their opinion on the proposal and then you have the unelected, self appointed individuals that took the law into their own hands and gave the two fingers to our health workers with their inconsiderate blockade/gathering.

    Phog we know how you feel at this stage, your also saying the exact same line multiple times on Twitter so forgive me for saying you're repeating yourself.

    The Council gave two fingers to the public when they didn't look at a single submission for the proposed plan and instead bowed to the pressure of a select few retailers who seem hellbent on keeping Limerick from thriving.


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    #1248
    geotrig
    Registered Users Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭geotrig


    kilburn wrote: »
    I can hear Elsa singing right now...... Let it go.....

    I believe this thread was originally set up to discuss Covid 19 in Limerick and not the Road Traffic Acts.

    Back on topic there is a very interesting new map by electoral region to view case numbers by area.
    dashoonage wrote: »
    link us up with this very interesting new map ?


    what he said !


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    #1249
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    geotrig wrote: »
    what he said !


    Scroll down here until you get to COVID-19 Confirmed Cases at Electoral Division (ED) Level


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    #1250
    kilburn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭kilburn


    Struggling to link on phone but go to below

    Covid19irelamd-geohive.hub.arcgis.com

    Scroll down to electoral division level map


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    #1251
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,737 ✭✭✭✭phog


    ChewBerecca wrote: »
    Phog we know how you feel at this stage, your also saying the exact same line multiple times on Twitter so forgive me for saying you're repeating yourself.

    The Council gave two fingers to the public when they didn't look at a single submission for the proposed plan and instead bowed to the pressure of a select few retailers who seem hellbent on keeping Limerick from thriving.

    We know how you & McLove feels too so why are you repeating yourselves? You seem to only want a gang of happy clappers or group think but why should I be silenced, I'm entitled to my views and entitled to express them here and on other Social Media? Do you want to block our views being expressed too just like you blocked the streets?

    We also know what the council did but why should that allow a cabal to throw caution to the wind and invite people into a gathering that contravenes current Covid19 regulations and show blatant disregard to the health workers.

    If you're ire is with the council, take the protest to the council and leave the health workers out of it.

    Do you or McLove think for one minute that the council were inconvenienced by the illegal blocking of the street on Saturday.


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    #1252
    orangeocelot
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭orangeocelot


    phog wrote: »
    We know how you & McLove feels too so why are you repeating yourselves? You seem to only want a gang of happy clappers or group think but why should I be silenced, I'm entitled to my views and entitled to express them here and on other Social Media? Do you want to block our views being expressed too just like you blocked the streets?

    We also know what the council did but why should that allow a cabal to throw caution to the wind and invite people into a gathering that contravenes current Covid19 regulations and show blatant disregard to the health workers.

    If you're ire is with the council, take the protest to the council and leave the health workers out of it.

    Do you or McLove think for one minute that the council were inconvenienced by the illegal blocking of the street on Saturday.

    Not sure why you keep referring to the pro-pedestrian groups as a "cabal". That word implies secrecy and lack of transparency. These groups make very clear who their members and supporters are.

    I believe the name is more apt for the so-called "local traders" who couldn't even reveal their names to the public!

    Also "happy clappers" and "group think" ... really?

    Finally, I don't think the point was to inconvenience the council. Rather it was to show them that there is public support for pedestrianisation.


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    #1253
    yop
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,722 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Mod Note: Can we leave this to an actual Covid19 thread please. This is going off track. Take it to another thread if you wish.


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    #1254
    ChewBerecca
    Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭ChewBerecca


    Any chance the council can commandeer parking bays along O'Connell Street during shopping hours for pedestrians?

    Its near impossible to stay 1m let alone 2m from others especially at traffic lights and the footpaths have been packed since Penneys reopened.

    Its not as if the car parks are full so a few parking bays being reassigned during the day shouldn't have an impact (unless you're one of those folk with an engraved sense of entitlement to park your car in a specific spot).


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    #1255
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    The council don't need to commandeer something they already own.


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    #1256
    ChewBerecca
    Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭ChewBerecca


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    The council don't need to commandeer something they already own.

    Need to commandeer from the vehicular users that do laps and block two lanes of traffic attempting to parallel park until they get their space.

    Still, up to the council to take action then if they own the spaces.


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    #1257
    martyc5674
    Registered Users Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭martyc5674


    Could the council improve the priority @ pedestrian lights during the current social distancing we are to be adhering to?

    I am often @ traffic lights waiting for the green man(sometimes with no traffic in sight), by the time I get a green man there will often be several people now waiting and trying to social distance.
    By not prioritizing pedestrians it is ensuring "pods" of people are walking into town who were otherwise social distancing.
    Surely it would be an easy fix.
    Marty.


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    #1258
    ChewBerecca
    Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭ChewBerecca


    martyc5674 wrote: »
    Could the council improve the priority @ pedestrian lights during the current social distancing we are to be adhering to?

    I am often @ traffic lights waiting for the green man(sometimes with no traffic in sight), by the time I get a green man there will often be several people now waiting and trying to social distance.
    By not prioritizing pedestrians it is ensuring "pods" of people are walking into town who were otherwise social distancing.
    Surely it would be an easy fix.
    Marty.

    Sensor systems would work as well, if cars approach priority switches back to clearing the road but otherwise default cycle prioritises the green man. These tend to be capable of being triggered by emergency services as well so little chance of an incident or delay to an ambulance if the sensor fails.

    What you're saying is true though and not everyone can cross at a red light if traffic is light (such as those visually and physically impaired, parents with kids etc). More should be done to allow for social distancing.


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    #1259
    martyc5674
    Registered Users Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭martyc5674


    ChewBerecca wrote: »
    Sensor systems would work as well, if cars approach priority switches back to clearing the road but otherwise default cycle prioritises the green man. These tend to be capable of being triggered by emergency services as well so little chance of an incident or delay to an ambulance if the sensor fails.

    What you're saying is true though and not everyone can cross at a red light if traffic is light (such as those visually and physically impaired, parents with kids etc). More should be done to allow for social distancing.

    Yeah I get you and it would be great - I guess it would involve a little hardware though which would would add considerable expense.(sensors etc)
    But even if they were to give immediate response to a beg button trigger that would @ least keep people moving rather than allowing them to accumulate- that would only be a software change.
    Marty.


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    #1260
    Berty
    Registered Users Posts: 26,149 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    The city uses Traffic Solutions LTD mostly for those jobs so you'd imagine that a public tender would be needed for that job so it's not going to happen anytime soon.


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    #1261
    martyc5674
    Registered Users Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭martyc5674


    Berty wrote: »
    The city uses Traffic Solutions LTD mostly for those jobs so you'd imagine that a public tender would be needed for that job so it's not going to happen anytime soon.

    Thats a terrible excuse for something to move slow (thats not an attack on you!)

    My work involves constantly getting subcontractors to do work for us.
    Elec/mech/civil/HVAC/automation/cleaning mostly and a whole load of other specialist services depending on the work we are doing- and these guys are always chomping @ the bit to get to work. Im sure these guys are only mad for work too, and would easily be able to put together a V accurate tender as it is there specialist area.


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