Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Non solum non ambulabit · 24-06-2020 03:32PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

The number of test referrals shows a big spike yesterday:

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-24-june-2020.pdf

I'm hoping it's some kind of data error, hard to understand why there would be such a big jump.

That's interesting. Wonder what is going on there?

Rob A. Bank · 24-06-2020 03:35PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's a corollary based on the fact that even if people don't show seropositivity in antibody testing, they still could've had COVID but their immune system cleared it without needing to create antibodies. Their T cells did it instead. Basically, antibodies =/= having had COVID, if the study proves true.

A recently published study is bad news for the ‘Herd immunity’ crowd, and maybe also for vaccine development, if the findings are proven in larger peer reviewed studies. Also the so-called “immunity passports” may not be worth the paper they are written on.

Coronavirus antibodies may last only two to three months after a person becomes infected with Covid-19, according to a new study published in Nature Medicine.

The researchers found people without symptoms had a weaker antibody response than those with symptoms.

Within eight weeks, 81% of the asymptomatic people saw a reduction in neutralizing antibodies, compared with 62% of symptomatic patients.

Additionally, antibodies fell to undetectable levels in 40% of asymptomatic people, compared with 12.9% of symptomatic people, according to the study’s findings.

There are still a lot of unknowns about this nasty virus... how exactly the immune system responds once a person is exposed... whether antibodies produced in response to Covid-19 offer protection against getting infected again and of how long immunity lasts.

The best plan at present is to avoid getting infected if at all possible.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-06-2020 03:36PM

Meanwhile in California

https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1275595692090646529

Arizona reported less cases today but record 79 deaths and with the lag between confirmed cases and deaths it's going to be rocky time in the medium term.

Deeper Blue · 24-06-2020 03:37PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Yeah Germany and the US, real Timbuktus there.

Yes because that's exactly what I meant :rolleyes:

MerlinSouthDub · 24-06-2020 03:39PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

That's interesting. Wonder what is going on there?

Just thinking, it could be related to testing all nursing home staff (and retesting residents maybe?). This was due to start this week per this:

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0617/1147922-coronavirus-ireland/

Away With The Fairies · 24-06-2020 03:39PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

A recently published study is bad news for the ‘Herd immunity’ crowd, and maybe also for vaccine development, if the findings are proven in larger peer reviewed studies. Also the so-called “immunity passports” may not be worth the paper they are written on.

Coronavirus antibodies may last only two to three months after a person becomes infected with Covid-19, according to a new study published in Nature Medicine.

The researchers found people without symptoms had a weaker antibody response than those with symptoms.

Within eight weeks, 81% of the asymptomatic people saw a reduction in neutralizing antibodies, compared with 62% of symptomatic patients.

Additionally, antibodies fell to undetectable levels in 40% of asymptomatic people, compared with 12.9% of symptomatic people, according to the study’s findings.

There are still a lot of unknowns about this nasty virus... how exactly the immune system responds once a person is exposed... whether antibodies produced in response to Covid-19 offer protection against getting infected again and of how long immunity lasts.

The best plan at present is to avoid getting infected if at all possible.

This whole thing is just awful.

Best plan is to avoid getting infected. If only people wore face masks and not infect others.

24-06-2020 03:42PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

The number of test referrals shows a big spike yesterday:

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-24-june-2020.pdf

I'm hoping it's some kind of data error, hard to understand why there would be such a big jump.

Judging by myself over the last 2 days its hayfever

stephenjmcd · 24-06-2020 03:44PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

The number of test referrals shows a big spike yesterday:

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-24-june-2020.pdf

I'm hoping it's some kind of data error, hard to understand why there would be such a big jump.

Potentially due to another round of residential home settings perhaps. I know it was announced last week i think that they intended to test there again.

I've also heard of home help carers and those that receive home help being offered tests. Could be a local thing maybe, not sure.

iamwhoiam · 24-06-2020 03:44PM

snotboogie wrote: »

While the hopes of this virus dying off or slowing down to the point of life returning to normal seem to be worse than I first expected, the progress on a vaccine seems to be a lot better than I first expected. There are numerous promising trials and a real chance something will hit the market by early 2021 and then be rolled out by the end of that year. Considering the average vaccine takes 10 years to develop that would be one of the greatest achievements in human history.

I think best case scenario we see a New Zealand like normalcy across the EU where we get back to 60%-70% of where we were in 2019 by Q4 of this year and then slowly ramp up to 100% throughout 2021 when a vaccine comes out. There should be mandatory enforced quarantines of two weeks from those traveling outside of the EU/Schengen/UK (like we are seeing throughout Asia now). Letting people in without a quarantine from anywhere in the Americas over the next 6 months at least would be madness.

West coast of Canada are completely in control and very few cases there at all .
Canada in general has a good grip on it and probably safer that many EU countries right now

Arghus · 24-06-2020 03:47PM

hmmm wrote: »

It's significant because the "herd immunity is achievable" crowd have jumped on this one study, out of the thousands of studies, as evidence for their thesis. And the "Tee Sell" is their new catch-all answer to anyone who suggests we don't just let this thing rip through the population.

I'm not saying the study is wrong , but there is a very hasty jump to conclusions based on one small non peer-reviewed study.

That crowd? Not applying fair critical analysis to everything?

Shocked, shocked I am.

stephenjmcd · 24-06-2020 03:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Judging by myself over the last 2 days its hayfever

Had a bad dose of that myself about 2 weeks ago and the GP offered a referral for a test, I didn't take it, got me some better antihistamine and it cleared up fairly quickly after that but have seen others struggling with it this week.

hmmm · 24-06-2020 03:51PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Meanwhile in California

I watch CNBC quite a bit, and they had one CEO on from Houston Texas who appears quite often on the channel. Classic US CEO type, usually very optimistic, bullish, possibly a Trump fan.

Today he was wearing a mask. Telling everyone to wear a mask. Threatening to throw people out of his restaurants and stores if they didn't wear a mask, and this is a Red state. Genuinely looking a bit scared. Texas is screwed looking at the rise in hospitalisations, and based on current projections it's very hard to see how they won't have to impose a state-wide lockdown.

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/infection-rate-in-the-greater-houston-area/
https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/tmc-2-week-projection-using-bed-occupancy-growth/

noa2020 · 24-06-2020 03:56PM

Anyone else notice the jump in ICU numbers from the dashboard?
https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com

Showing 16 now but I think it’s likely just a mistake given that it was previously 11 and it’s showing 5 discharges so they could have been added on as opposed to deducted. No change in general bed numbers and no admissions so I doubt they came from there.

bettyoleary · 24-06-2020 03:57PM

Arghus wrote: »

That crowd? Not applying fair critical analysis to everything?

Shocked, shocked I am.

Its very easy to see why flights arnt safe. The hepa system is not safe at all. You know that this just flows in and out of the plane. I know you can find out that this isnt safe. Lots of people on here read your posts and believe in you. You know it isnt safe for people to fly. Why arnt you saying this. I suppose nurses dont matter to you either is it?

Arghus · 24-06-2020 03:59PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

Its very easy to see why flights arnt safe. The hepa system is not safe at all. You know that this just flows in and out of the plane. I know you can find out that this isnt safe. Lots of people on here read your posts and believe in you. You know it isnt safe for people to fly. Why arnt you saying this. I suppose nurses dont matter to you either is it?

What are you talking about?

Sofa King · 24-06-2020 04:01PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I don’t understand why we can’t piggyback on the S Korea contract Tracing app.

Does anybody know why we need to make our own app and can’t just copy and paste one (with some minor tweaks) from a country where it works?

Your phone is probably tracking it anyway.

I'm on Android, so if you go into 'Settings' and then 'Google Settings', you will see at the top; 'COVID-19 exposure notifications'.

hmmm · 24-06-2020 04:02PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

Its very easy to see why flights arnt safe. The hepa system is not safe at all. You know that this just flows in and out of the plane. I know you can find out that this isnt safe. Lots of people on here read your posts and believe in you. You know it isnt safe for people to fly. Why arnt you saying this. I suppose nurses dont matter to you either is it?

I believe most operating rooms use HEPA filters, and hospital designers will want them as clean as possible. I don't think anyone on here is claiming to be an expert, but it's important in my view that we rely on science to guide how we think about risk.

What Username Guidelines · 24-06-2020 04:04PM

noa2020 wrote: »

Anyone else notice the jump in ICU numbers from the dashboard?
https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com

Showing 16 now but I think it’s likely just a mistake given that it was previously 11 and it’s showing 5 discharges so they could have been added on as opposed to deducted. No change in general bed numbers and no admissions so I doubt they came from there.

Hopefully a mistake, the graph has it at 10 for 24th June. It was at 16 on the 22nd, then 11 on the 23d, so maybe that?

stephenjmcd · 24-06-2020 04:04PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

Its very easy to see why flights arnt safe. The hepa system is not safe at all. You know that this just flows in and out of the plane. I know you can find out that this isnt safe. Lots of people on here read your posts and believe in you. You know it isnt safe for people to fly. Why arnt you saying this. I suppose nurses dont matter to you either is it?

What on earth are you on about ??

You quite clearly have no knowledge as to how HEPA filters actually work in general then if your coming out with a sweeping statement like that.

Complete ramblings

24-06-2020 04:06PM

Sofa King wrote: »

Your phone is probably tracking it anyway.

I'm on Android, so if you go into 'Settings' and then 'Google Settings', you will see at the top; 'COVID-19 exposure notifications'.

Correct.

It requires you to download "a participating app" from "your region's government health authority".

Relies on bluetooth and location settings being turned on (states that the system "does not collect or track your location".

Where is our app Ireland? I'd install it and use it immediately and would expect responsible fellow citizens to do likewise.

poppers · 24-06-2020 04:07PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

If you have booked your summer holiday don't click the video. Ignorance is bliss.
Trouble with cough droplets is that they are effectively invisible. Doesn't mean they are not there. Should be grand.

https://twitter.com/Droit_IA/status/1255581175399227395?s=20

https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/visualization-shows-droplets-from-one-cough-infecting-large-number-of-passengers/

Did we not have the same type of models for supermarkets way back telling us how dangerous shopping was going to be.

24-06-2020 04:09PM

poppers wrote: »

Did we not have the same type of models for supermarkets way back telling us how dangerous shopping was going to be.

You don't sit stationary in a supermarket for extended periods of time sharing recycled air with the other passengers. Many supermarkets are also quite a bit bigger than most planes.

If you're on a flight with someone who is contagious there is a far higher risk of you being infected by them that if you are in a supermarket at the same time as someone who is contagious. In a supermarket you might never have a risk of infection at all.

fr336 · 24-06-2020 04:12PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Had a bad dose of that myself about 2 weeks ago and the GP offered a referral for a test, I didn't take it, got me some better antihistamine and it cleared up fairly quickly after that but have seen others struggling with it this week.

Haven't had the old hayfever for years but due to avoiding public transport and trying to get fitter due to Corona I'm holding in sneezes, itchy eyes and bunged up like I don't know what

fr336 · 24-06-2020 04:15PM

poppers wrote: »

Did we not have the same type of models for supermarkets way back telling us how dangerous shopping was going to be.

Not everything has to be right or wrong, black and white at all times. Scientists are human and won't always get something right - indeed they may get most of it right, but something a little bit wrong Or less accurate but still a generally sound hypothesis. It's scary how simplistic society has become in just a few years - everything has to be yes or no, black or white, and it has to be confirmed today not tomorrow. Hence we end up with people like Trump and Brexit, beyond the bottom of the barrell.

caveat emptor · 24-06-2020 04:21PM

poppers wrote: »

Did we not have the same type of models for supermarkets way back telling us how dangerous shopping was going to be.

No. Also supermarkets have doors and windows that open regularly. Their stock room doors are massive.

They also have a much larger cubic area. The airflow through them is huge. Not so on a passenger plane.

If you open the door at altitude you get sucked out so not advisable. Trying to do so would increase your chance of dying to 100% instantly.

wadacrack · 24-06-2020 04:24PM

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1275826745355182081

poppers · 24-06-2020 04:26PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

No. Also supermarkets have doors and windows that open regularly. Their stock room doors are massive.

They also have a much larger cubic area. The airflow through them is huge. Not so on a passenger plane.

If you open the door at altitude you get sucked out so not advisable. Trying to do so would increase your chance of dying to 100% instantly.

We did it showed how if someone sneezed in one aisle how the droplets would infect someone in another aisle.
As far as i know the air on passanger jets is recycled through ultra pure hepa filters which are tested to removed 99.995% of particles down to 0.3 microns.

Tenzor07 · 24-06-2020 04:26PM

6 deaths
and
5 new cases today...

ACitizenErased · 24-06-2020 04:27PM

6 more deaths RIP
5 new cases

is_that_so · 24-06-2020 04:29PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Potentially due to another round of residential home settings perhaps. I know it was announced last week i think that they intended to test there again.

I've also heard of home help carers and those that receive home help being offered tests. Could be a local thing maybe, not sure.

We're at about 0.5% positivity anyway.

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