Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

wadacrack wrote: »

Life slowly getting better now in this country from total lockdown. Hopefully can keep it that way until vaccine/treatment. At the moment its all positive signs important to remember that.

But it’s not all positive, that’s the problem.

Some of us have a balanced view on the topic and want to discuss it but every second post the last few days have been people complaining about scaremongering and other negative stuff and refusing to actually say what it was that was so negative. I actually don’t know what people mean by scaremongering.

Ireland is in a positive place now, I want them to stay that way but I don’t think thinking happy happy thoughts and beating away negative talk is the way to do it. I’ve posted what I want which I feel will help us reduce the impact of a second wave but the people complaining about negative posters don’t engage. They don’t want to discuss it, they just want to attack other posters who don’t share their starry eyed views on where we are right now.

Anybody who is familiar with the concept of risk would understand that once we expose our country to people going in and out of our country , the probability of our infections going up increases a lot. USA and UK and other countries that are not handling the virus well will export it here. That’s what happened before and there is no rational reason to think it won’t happen again. This is not scaremongering, it’s common sense power of deduction.

I think there is so much we can do now, not least make masks mandatory, but fear we are focusing too much on the re-open and the positivity that comes with it. It’s ironic that people want to keep this positivity going but they don’t want to discuss how we actually put in place measures and infrastructure to maintain it because that would mean discussing a potential second wave..

I’m self employed, I’ve young children and I’m worried about where this may go but I think only an open and frank discussion will lead to solutions and progress. Can people stop focusing on other posters and try to keep it COVID related?

wadacrack wrote: »

Theirs a difference between being vigilant,informed and overly negative. Why worry about that when theirs is no indication of increased transmission in this country. Airports with proper safety protocols can help mitigate the risk of transmission from the US and UK. To get numbers so low in Ireland I didn't think it was possible. Its clearly possible that we can keep it this way. Yes their will be challenges like the ones you mentioned. We can suppress this virus to low levels like present and resume some sort of normality until a vaccine/treatment. I think it is. That should give everyone in this country great hope. Look at New Zealand and their successful approach at the moment. We can emulate that and I'm aware that it is likely to be more challenging but clearly its possible. Greater understanding of how this virus transmits will help.

There is a difference between between being overly negative and discussing prudent measures to maintain our current status.

Strengths:
- we suppressed numbers well
- population mostly complied
- government eventually acted quickly after initial slow response
- healthcare was not overrun
- healthcare workers here and abroad galvanised to help

Weakness
- initially very slow to respond
- Ireland’s death statistics per head actually globally quite bad
- globalised economy so we are exposed
- Dublin an international hub so vulnerable to countries with bad outbreaks
- mostly non compliance makes wearing
- complacency setting in (Psychologically this was going to happen)
- poor education and communication still , perhaps more down to belligerent population
- lack of PPE

Opportunities
- make masks mandatory
- beef up security measures at airports and ports for COVID, eg temp check machines
- contact tracing app
- adapt economy and business with an 18 month timescale to be reviewed, looking at stop/start measures and how business can continue during it (eg pubs still serving pints etc)
- focus on increasing farming capacity (at least work out if we have enoughTo be self sustaining if this get really bad in winter)
- Self sustaining SWOT analysis
- Educate people. A lot of people still don’t understand elements of the pandemic, why Should they ? This is the first time our generation has suffered this sort of crisis.
- Get masks for everybody nationally , make it mandatory, this also helps make it normal and proper etiquette to protect others. “You wear a mask to protect others”

Threats
- non compliance of measures - people travelling where they want, not wearing masks etc
- lack of regulation on foreign travel in and out undos most of the hard work
- Populist strategies being employed at the expense of prudence
- bigger economic loss due to failed planning and lack of infrastructure put in place to mitigate future wave
- complacency and restriction fatigue
- pandering to EU/Global partners by having reduced measures to protect us from their populations
- Northern Ireland , somebody needs to slap somebody on the face with a wet fish And get working with them to have Cross border agreement
- Panic, if we get a second wave that is much worse

I know there is a lot more that can be added to that list. I think we are in a superb situation to manage this but I’m not convinced that we are making the most of our advantage.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

But even with the unknown amount of asymptomatic spread we are still only getting 0.5% positive out of many thousands of cases? So there is not much spread now regardless of symptomatic or asymptomatic?

I think it’s very reasonable to assume that spread in Ireland is extremely low right now. If I go out and don’t wear a mask I don’t think I get infected or that I infect somebody else. I could goto a pub, gym a match and do all the things we all enjoy and I’m 99% confident I’d be fine from a COVID Point of view.

But we should start doing things now to make sure it stays that way. Start wearing masks in specific public places now to get used to it , to stock up on masks (when they are available) and to make it a habit. When numbers spike That’s leaving it very late and begs the question why would you wait for things to get worse before doing preventative things that may stop it from getting that bad?

seamus wrote: »

I won't get too much into and bore the pants off people.
Your statement above is right. Code is code and doesn't really matter what the speaking language of the author is.

But if we were to take the SK app an build it now, what do we get? An app filled with Korean language.
That's problem number one.
Now, assuming your programmers were halfway competent, all of the text that is displayed in the app, is contained in a central place. So all you have to do is get a couple of translators to translate Korean to English, right?

So you rebuild it with the English files....and it's nearly unusable. The layout is a complete mess. Because Korean words are not written in a sequential right-to-left format. They are slightly, but some letters are written below others, and it's all a bit mad.

So you need to hire some UI/UX designers to come up with ways to fix the look and feel of app layout so that it works with English.

You also realise that an app alone is not enough. You need backend infrastructure; servers and routers and the rest. If you're lucky, the Korean developers built the infratstructure based on an open IaC format and in one of the big cloud providers. So creating the infrastructure involves just uploading a file. But there's also every chance it was all built from scratch by systems engineers in a Government datacentre, and you have to figure it out for yourself.

Either way, you have to dig in and see how it all fits together.

When you start at it, you realise everything is in Korean; service names, database tables, documentation.

And off you go again onto the translation train. And so on...

If the app is open-sourced and written in English or even a Latin alphabet, drop-shipping it may be easier. But even then if you were to take an app written for the American market, the whole thing would need to be pulled apart and forensically analysed for privacy breaches and security backdoors.