Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

schmoo2k · 24-06-2020 06:29AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Well, I guess 75 year olds are not on the beaches, at Disneyland or attending tattoo parlours...

Do you really think being at a beach is high risk? They are outdoors, people have lots of room and naturally distance.

Gael23 · 24-06-2020 06:35AM

With the kind of price increases hairdressers are imposing there will only be more DIY disasters for them to deal with

24-06-2020 06:45AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There's a complete brushing over of the good some countries have done to combat the spread, especially in Europe while looking to far flung parts of the world to find bad news that might scare people back into line.

Presenting seasonal conditions relating to spread as fact when they are merely opinion, the use of the phrase "strap yourself in for the second wave" from a certain poster sums up a small cohert that are nowhere near reflective of the general attitude im encountering in public in daily life, one of cautious optimisim. People in general feel more optimistic than 4 months ago but also continue to take measures to stay safe. Reading this thread at times would be bad for your health and yesterday it was at its peak. You'd swear we had just announced hundreds of deaths and cases the way some posters were going on.

There's little point in the continual posting regarding states in the US, they're a mess, have been since the start and lead by a clown, the same as Brazil so trying to make any comparisons there is pointless.

I've also seen posts of 50 cases in South Korea, 50 in a population of 50 million.

If we all kept looking for negatives across the globe most people probably wouldn't leave the house which I suspect some don't.

The whole Covid forum was tragic yesterday.

I thought a lot of the hysteria would die down when we got to a point of 10 or less cases per day.

But its arguably worse than it has been since early March.

Hopefully a bit more perspective today

SeaBreezes · 24-06-2020 07:27AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

He's right so not sure what there's to be confused about.

If someone for example was in hosptial already with a life limiting illness and contracted covid and subsequently passed away, their death is considered a covid death even though they had a life limiting illness.
Even though covid may not have been the ultimate cause of death.

Life limiting? Like in 5 weeks, 5 months 5 years?
Where do you draw the line?
I know of two people who both contracted it in hospital, who had underlying conditions, but who were due to go home, from stroke, and would have lived another 5(ish) years, but were unlucky to pick up this COVID19, while they were vulnerable.

Conspiracy theorists argue: They would've died 'soon' anyway.. yes WE ALL will die someday... the idea is to extend that day as far out as possible.

Life IS a life limiting illness... COVID19 hastening that day, is someone dying of COVID19.

uncleoswald · 24-06-2020 07:28AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There's little point in the continual posting regarding states in the US, they're a mess, have been since the start and lead by a clown, the same as Brazil so trying to make any comparisons there is pointless.

I've also seen posts of 50 cases in South Korea, 50 in a population of 50 million.

If we all kept looking for negatives across the globe most people probably wouldn't leave the house which I suspect some don't.

Why is posting updates about other countries so bad? It's global pandemic. It's not fear mongering or an effort to scare people into hiding. It's just news. And it's not always about comparisons either, sometimes people are just interested in how other countries are doing.

I think there is room on this thread for both good and bad news about Ireland and elsewhere.

Jim_Hodge · 24-06-2020 07:28AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

It's in plain English. What has you confused?

tom1ie · 24-06-2020 07:31AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The whole Covid forum was tragic yesterday.

I thought a lot of the hysteria would die down when we got to a point of 10 or less cases per day.

But its arguably worse than it has been since early March.

Hopefully a bit more perspective today

Would it have anything to do with the global situation as opposed to just looking at our own country do ya think?

Widdensushi · 24-06-2020 07:41AM

tom1ie wrote: »

Would it have anything to do with the global situation as opposed to just looking at our own country do ya think?

No, it's to do with a few negative Nancys that are so obsessed with covid that they have stopped living their lives and want everyone else to do the same,they give their days posting instead of going back to work, it's not going away soon and I would rather live this year if the virus is being reasonably controlled than gain a few months in later years with possible dementia and stuck in a bed etc

stephenjmcd · 24-06-2020 07:44AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Life limiting? Like in 5 weeks, 5 months 5 years?
Where do you draw the line?
I know of two people who both contracted it in hospital, who had underlying conditions, but who were due to go home, from stroke, and would have lived another 5(ish) years, but were unlucky to pick up this COVID19, while they were vulnerable.

Conspiracy theorists argue: They would've died 'soon' anyway.. yes WE ALL will die someday... the idea is to extend that day as far out as possible.

Life IS a life limiting illness... COVID19 hastening that day, is someone dying of COVID19.

Life limited as in terminal, I too know someone who has passed away recently and was diagnosed with covid. They had terminal cancer, not long to live, and picked it (covid) up in an institutional care setting for end of life support, but as they contracted covid they are seen by our health services as a covid death for reporting and the terminal cancel diagnose is essentially erased

uncleoswald · 24-06-2020 07:44AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

No, it's to do with a few negative Nancys that are so obsessed with covid that they have stopped living their lives and want everyone else to do the same,they give their days posting instead of going back to work, it's not going away soon and I would rather live this year if the virus is being reasonably controlled than gain a few months in later years with possible dementia and stuck in a bed etc

Maybe you should not come on a Covid thread then?

But there are people who are interested in this stuff. It's a global pandemic that has left almost half a million dead, there may be some bad news on thread about it.

is_that_so · 24-06-2020 07:48AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Life limited as in terminal, I too know someone who has passed away recently and was diagnosed with covid. They had terminal cancer, not long to live, and picked it (covid) up in an institutional setting, but as they contracted covid they are seen by our health services as a covid death for reporting and the terminal cancel diagnose is essentially erased

It's down to the final diagnosis and for reporting purposes is a COVID death as it is seen as the actual cause of death. The underlying condition is also recorded.

Renjit · 24-06-2020 07:49AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

No, it's to do with a few negative Nancys that are so obsessed with covid that they have stopped living their lives and want everyone else to do the same,they give their days posting instead of going back to work, it's not going away soon and I would rather live this year if the virus is being reasonably controlled than gain a few months in later years with possible dementia and stuck in a bed etc

Posting in forum doesn't take much effort other than having a smartphone or desktop access. We wouldn't have such discussions otherwise.

Call me Al · 24-06-2020 07:58AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

"Might apply to some customers"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/peter-mark-to-raise-prices-by-up-to-60-for-some-customers-to-fix-home-dye-jobs-and-long-regrowth-39309597.html

They're going to be doing more work on some people who need saving after bad DIY haircuts etc so of course more work and extra services required means you've to pay for said services

€60 for a "colour detox" service.
And another €40 i think for regrowth over 2inches. My oh my!

Its typical of Peter Mark and how they approach their pricing imho.
They've spotted an opportunity to make money but I'm not criticising them. If people are stupid enough to pay for these services, services that I don't know of other salons charging like this for, of course they'll charge it.
ETA i think we all expect there to be a covid premium for the service industry until such time as this is resolved. I just don't expect companies to try to make money off the crisis so blatantly.

ShyMets · 24-06-2020 08:03AM

It about balance. There is room on this thread for both positive and negative news.

That said I did find the tone yesterday to be overly pessimistic. Yes some parts of the world are in a mess, some of which is down to appalling leadership, but other parts are doing a pretty good job suppressing the virus.

One trend I have noticed is that as soon as a piece of positive news is posted certain posters will reply by trying to put a negativity spin on it. Its almost as if they don't want to hear any good news.

Which is these difficult times I find very odd

ChelseaRentBoy · 24-06-2020 08:03AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There will be excuses telling you that it's not a second wave because of positivity and all that.

Some people are just desperate to ignore the facts.

ChelseaRentBoy · 24-06-2020 08:08AM

NDWC wrote: »

4 cases yesterday and you've got people on here practically salivating over a second wave. My advice to those people is to go out for a walk or a drive or something.

Constantly trawling the internet for news about second waves in Timbuktu can't be good for your mental health.

Yeah Germany and the US, real Timbuktus there.

Widdensushi · 24-06-2020 08:09AM

uncleoswald wrote: »

Maybe you should not come on a Covid thread then?

But there are people who are interested in this stuff. It's a global pandemic that has left almost half a million dead, there may be some bad news on thread about it.

I am also interested in it, kermit etc post a lot of interesting facts, some of the others seem to get carried away, anyway, have a good day,you never know how many you have left.

normanoffside · 24-06-2020 08:24AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Evidence for this claim?

He had Covid at the time of death.
In Ireland we record all people who die with Covid, not people who die because of Covid.
Actually you don’t even have to have tested positive for Covid. Even if it’s suspected it’s recorded on your death cert and counted in the numbers.

uncleoswald · 24-06-2020 08:29AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

I am also interested in it, kermit etc post a lot of interesting facts, some of the others seem to get carried away, anyway, have a good day,you never know how many you have left.

:eek:
Gulp

ixoy · 24-06-2020 08:40AM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Yeah Germany and the US, real Timbuktus there.

There's a second wave in Germany? I mean there's been two spikes confined to one region, which obviously isn't a second wave, so what is this second wave?

Cork Boy 53 · 24-06-2020 08:48AM

Luke O`Neill on the Ryan Tubridy radio show now emphasizing the importance of wearing masks in indoor public places and stating he is disappointed with the level of compliance. He is also saying that localised lockdowns are inevitable once flights resume to and from infected countries.

Rob A. Bank · 24-06-2020 08:53AM

How Covid-19 can damage the brain

A good long read about the neurology and the other surprises this new virus keeps throwing up.

This adds to what Dr. Fauci said yesterday about the gravity and unknown consequences of Covid-19... Early in the outbreak in the U.S., researchers said the virus appeared to be sparing young people while being particularly severe for the elderly and those with underlying health conditions.

“To think young people have no deleterious consequences is not true. We’re seeing more and more complications in young people.”

Fauci said he’s never seen a single virus have such a wide range of symptoms.

And for the Trumptards and Bolsonaroistas who keep trying to minimize and downplay the numbers and the seriousness of this really nasty pandemic... a good vibe non fearmongering or negative Nancy link.

Renjit · 24-06-2020 08:57AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

How Covid-19 can damage the brain

A good long read about the neurology and the other surprises this new virus keeps throwing up.

This adds to what Dr. Fauci said yesterday about the gravity and unknown consequences of Covid-19... Early in the outbreak in the U.S., researchers said the virus appeared to be sparing young people while being particularly severe for the elderly and those with underlying health conditions.

“To think young people have no deleterious consequences is not true. We’re seeing more and more complications in young people.”

Fauci said he’s never seen a single virus have such a wide range of symptoms.

And for the Trumptards and Bolsonaroistas who keep trying to minimize and downplay the numbers and the seriousness of this really nasty pandemic... a good vibe non fearmongering or negative Nancy link.

Positive news please

seamus · 24-06-2020 08:58AM

ixoy wrote: »

There's a second wave in Germany? I mean there's been two spikes confined to one region, which obviously isn't a second wave, so what is this second wave?

The media are eager to keep this misery train going. Their engagement numbers have never been higher.

Yes, there are concerning trends appearing in Germany and South Korea, but there are also plenty of other places that have opened up where we're not seeing case increases. Italy, for example, has had open borders to many regions now for 3 weeks and has seen no increase in cases. They've been declining slowly.

But it suits some people better to report the "worrying" trends. A small number of new cases in South Korea. Isolated outbreaks in Germany. The Americas on fire.

None of these affect us, they educate us. But informative reports get less attention than panicked ones.

ShyMets · 24-06-2020 09:04AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

How Covid-19 can damage the brain

A good long read about the neurology and the other surprises this new virus keeps throwing up.

This adds to what Dr. Fauci said yesterday about the gravity and unknown consequences of Covid-19... Early in the outbreak in the U.S., researchers said the virus appeared to be sparing young people while being particularly severe for the elderly and those with underlying health conditions.

“To think young people have no deleterious consequences is not true. We’re seeing more and more complications in young people.”

Fauci said he’s never seen a single virus have such a wide range of symptoms.

And for the Trumptards and Bolsonaroistas who keep trying to minimize and downplay the numbers and the seriousness of this really nasty pandemic... a good vibe non fearmongering or negative Nancy link.

Interesting article which has got me thinking. My sister who works in a creche was very sick for a week in mid-March.

It started with a headache, then fever, vomiting, diarrhoea, thankfully no breathing issues. But at one point she found it difficult to speak.

She was convinced it was Covid, however she was never tested. I put it down to just a bad dose.

But reading that article, maybe she was right.

Drumpot · 24-06-2020 09:04AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

How Covid-19 can damage the brain

A good long read about the neurology and the other surprises this new virus keeps throwing up.

This adds to what Dr. Fauci said yesterday about the gravity and unknown consequences of Covid-19... Early in the outbreak in the U.S., researchers said the virus appeared to be sparing young people while being particularly severe for the elderly and those with underlying health conditions.

“To think young people have no deleterious consequences is not true. We’re seeing more and more complications in young people.”

Fauci said he’s never seen a single virus have such a wide range of symptoms.

And for the Trumptards and Bolsonaroistas who keep trying to minimize and downplay the numbers and the seriousness of this really nasty pandemic... a good vibe non fearmongering or negative Nancy link.

I see the republicans trying to scapegoat Fauci for their mishandling of it over the pond. He actually confirmed that the reason they did not recommend masks early doors was because they needed to get what limited supply available to medical personnel. Have they come out and said that here ? I think people need to understand why the mask recommendation changed and why it’s important to get on board with the Recomendation.

Jackman25 · 24-06-2020 09:12AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

How Covid-19 can damage the brain

A good long read about the neurology and the other surprises this new virus keeps throwing up.

This adds to what Dr. Fauci said yesterday about the gravity and unknown consequences of Covid-19... Early in the outbreak in the U.S., researchers said the virus appeared to be sparing young people while being particularly severe for the elderly and those with underlying health conditions.

“To think young people have no deleterious consequences is not true. We’re seeing more and more complications in young people.”

Fauci said he’s never seen a single virus have such a wide range of symptoms.

And for the Trumptards and Bolsonaroistas who keep trying to minimize and downplay the numbers and the seriousness of this really nasty pandemic... a good vibe non fearmongering or negative Nancy link.

Eh what?? Who are these?

Drumpot · 24-06-2020 09:14AM

ShyMets wrote: »

Interesting article which has got me thinking. My sister who works in a creche was very sick for a week in mid-March.

It started with a headache, then fever, vomiting, diarrhoea, thankfully no breathing issues. But at one point she found it difficult to speak.

She was convinced it was Covid, however she was never tested. I put it down to just a bad dose.

But reading that article, maybe she was right.

Lots of people have stated in these threads that they were ill in Feb and January and thought maybe they had it. I had something myself which did make me wonder.

I suppose the longer the virus has been around , the potentially better it is in that it might mean a lot more people have been infected and possibly have immunity in some form. Be great when anti body testing is rolled out.

is_that_so · 24-06-2020 09:16AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Lots of people have stated in these threads that they were ill in Feb and January and thought maybe they had it. I had something myself which did make me wonder.

I suppose the longer the virus has been around , the potentially better it is in that it might mean a lot more people have been infected and possibly have immunity in some form.

They had 3-6% positivity when we had 20,000 a day looking for tests. As De Gascun said then "people had other things".

caveat emptor · 24-06-2020 09:17AM

I think people make decisions when all the information is available. Whether 'positive' or 'negative'. These are subjective terms applied and have no impact on situation if all information is accurate. Which is what we strive to post here I hope.

There is far too much peer pressure to be positive on here. It's a bit thought policey TBH.

I suspect that people who have already contracted the virus don't want to hear anything negative about it.
I suspect that business owners don't want to hear anything negative about spread of virus which has been very costly for them
I suspect employees who were let go from good jobs don't want to hear anything negative about the virus.

These people want to get back to normal asap. They are very intolerant of contrary information. I would too TBH. They also post more on what other people are saying than what what they themselves are saying. Unfortunately it doesn't change the characteristics of this pandemic.
Which for the main part is what "negative nacies" are posting on.

I hope things go back to normal. Data is not saying though. We reopen fully it's like opening a pressure valve. When spread is unacceptable , valve will be reapplied to manage it. I can't see this changing for the foreseeable.

Have a read of where crowd intelligence can go wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds#Failures_of_crowd_intelligence

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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