Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

ACitizenErased · 23-06-2020 04:12PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I must say yourself and stephenjmcd have been superb posters on this forum and are the only reason i come back to it. You both have been providing great information for the last several weeks.

I contend that it is appreciated by the huge majority posters and readers alike.

Appreciate it, however this thread has quickly descended into a farce in the last few days.

Away With The Fairies · 23-06-2020 04:13PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What little tales? Are you making up stuff to try and score points?
As I said if you have an issue with my comments by all means point out the issue, but I suggest you leave the personal stuff out. It usually ends with the Mods getting involved.

Aren't you the poster who claimed that I knew four people that died of Covid19? And I never said such a thing. So you are prone to making things up.

Cork Boy 53 · 23-06-2020 04:14PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Only 122 cases and 18 deaths in Italy today:

https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/06/23/news/coronavirus_bollettino_23_giugno-259987003/

122 cases and 18 deaths too many. I will admit though that it`s a much better scenario than was the case a few months ago.

ACitizenErased · 23-06-2020 04:16PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

122 cases and 18 deaths too many.

Why are you even commenting this? Of course it's too many. Let the man post statistics for people's information without making blatantly obvious comments. Christ.

stephenjmcd · 23-06-2020 04:19PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I must say yourself and stephenjmcd have been superb posters on this forum and are the only reason i come back to it. You both have been providing great information for the last several weeks.

I contend that it is appreciated by the huge majority posters and readers alike.

cheers appreciate it. Much like ACitzen I take an interest in the statistics and if someone is posting opinion and claiming it to be fact I'll ask for the information and statistics to back it up.

There's alot of opinion here posted as if its fact, alot of oh look at this germany has an increased R, yes look at the reasons why and the figures behind it.

Likewise and I'll say it now don't be surprised to see our R hit 1, but this won't be due to an increase in infection per say it'll be down to having very low levels of infection that it'll become difficult to estimate R. But watch the panic if / when it hits 1 due to this. Happened in Switzerland only a few weeks ago.

Plumbthedepths · 23-06-2020 04:19PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Aren't you the poster who claimed that I knew four people that died of Covid19? And I never said such a thing. So you are prone to making things up.

I attributed a claim to you that I was prehaps mistaken about, not the same as making up stuff though. Although several other posters seemed to have made the same mistake as I.
I can only offer my apologies, the other posters who made the same mistake will have to apologise themselves.

stephenjmcd · 23-06-2020 04:21PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Aren't you the poster who claimed that I knew four people that died of Covid19? And I never said such a thing. So you are prone to making things up.

the irony of that last sentence, a bit like yourself so.

I asked you a few weeks ago multiple times to back up your claims on false postive tests and you couldn't.

Cork Boy 53 · 23-06-2020 04:22PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Why are you even commenting this? Of course it's too many. Let the man post statistics for people's information without making blatantly obvious comments. Christ.

Because this is a discussion forum where comments are allowed to be made or would you prefer if it was an echo chamber?

hmmm · 23-06-2020 04:25PM

normanoffside wrote: »

There were loads of premier League, Serie A, Bundesliga and La Liga players and managers who tested positive and are all back playing with no ill effects.
Didn't half the players in some Serie A teams test positive?

Haven't heard of one even hospitalisation.

I'd say he'll be grand :rolleyes:

Here's an Irish hospitalisation for a football player:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/coronavirus-footballer-describes-covid-19-21734401

I know his odds are good, but I still don't think it's a trivial thing for a professional sportsperson when they contract Covid.

(edit) a quick google shows this 23 year old French player was in a coma https://www.goal.com/en/news/montpellier-midfielder-sambia-out-of-coma-breathing-on-his/hip84gg80mw81w4q9n73mrrpu
More here: https://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus-football-teams-players-managers-owners-affected/1unrxo89q54201k0nt2pyru972

normanoffside · 23-06-2020 04:28PM

hmmm wrote: »

Here's an Irish hospitalisation for a football player:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/coronavirus-footballer-describes-covid-19-21734401

I know his odds are good, but I still don't think it's a trivial thing for a professional sportsperson when they contract Covid.

(edit) a quick google shows this - https://www.goal.com/en/news/montpellier-midfielder-sambia-out-of-coma-breathing-on-his/hip84gg80mw81w4q9n73mrrpu

Yep I suspected you would find the very few exceptions which prove the rule (The first one is not professional or eve current footballer btw).

ACitizenErased · 23-06-2020 04:29PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Because this is a discussion forum where comments are allowed to be made or would you prefer if it was an echo chamber?

Commenting within reason.

Lyle · 23-06-2020 04:32PM

Wayne Gorsky wrote: »

Was in town (Dublin) earlier, it’s still depressing and somehow feels like it’s getting worse if anything…hordes of masked zombies shuffling through litter-strewn streets...

I wish this sentiment on the masks didn't exist. I totally get why people aren't going for it now in bigger numbers after the NPHET bunch was so negative about them for so long and how shoddily handled the advice they eventually settled on with masks was, but some people really do have to wear them. Even if down the line they're proven not to work, just for piece of mind some people like to wear one. There's no harm in it and some of the reactions are so full of vitriol, like it's worn in an attempt to deliberately annoy people who aren't buying into them.

I wear one and I've been met by some weird derision and flak when I'm out and about and I just find it so... I dunno. It's miserable really. I wanna get out, I've gotten out pretty much every day since March, at least for a bit. I have to wear one with two immuno-compromised family members in the house. People live with parents or grandparents that might be vulnerable, they might be a transplant patient, an asthma sufferer, a cancer survivor... They might even just live in a shared house with a few other people. They could have an immuno-suppressed partner or child... There's so many reasons. I understand you were potentially being hyperbolic given the monstrously miserable tone of your post but chat like that, I just think it's uncalled for when some of us aren't in a position to comfortably head out into the world without a mask on, for the sakes of ourselves or our loved ones.

ceadaoin. · 23-06-2020 04:33PM

hmmm wrote: »

Maybe. But I expect any professional sportsperson who relies on their lungs for their income would be pretty nervous after a positive test. There have been plenty of reports of pretty long-lasting lung damage for many, and no-one knows yet what the long-term impact will be of an infection.

Several NBA and NFL players have tested positive. Along with tons of footballers from European teams and there hasnt been one report of any negative long term effects or even bad symptoms. One NBA player was posting videos of himself doing strenuous workouts every day when he had it.

Its almost like some people are wishing for a bad outcome. That will teach him

shinzon · 23-06-2020 04:34PM

So theres England opening up the whole gaffe bar gyms and a few other businesses, anyone wants to get pissed mark July 4th and hop the ferry for the PAARTYYYYY of your lives and I mean that literally.

God every government on Earth seems to have just given up and said **** it

Shin

schmoo2k · 23-06-2020 04:35PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Contact tracing won’t work in the case of a packed plane full of people coming to Ireland.
If one person is asymptomatic and boards a plane where people will be in an enclosed space for 4 hours they could infect at least (lets be conservative) and say 3 people.
Those 3+1 asymptotic person, will get off the plane and have x number of interactions, that will most likely involve being in enclosed spaces for a period of time with others.
The other 3 people on the plane who got infected wouldn’t develop symptoms until at least 5 days but could be more than 14 days (1% of people develop symptoms after 14 days) would have many contacts in that timeframe.
It’s a very tall order to trace the contacts and ask them to self isolate.
Are we saying we have full confidence in our contact tracing system to be able to do this?

But the interactions in your scenario are very different to the same scenario back in Feb/March (masks, distancing, hand washing etc.) - not fool proof, but does significantly reduce the r0 value.

Polar101 · 23-06-2020 04:37PM

Jagger Teeny Sisterhood wrote: »

The covid sure has a thing for meat processing factories, hunderds previously in a case in the US (Dakota), today Anglesey reports 175 workers positive, Germany this week had a couple of plants affect it's national R-value, even though it was very localised catchment areas.

Seems to be an issue with hygiene and/or worker accommodation. There's a story in a Finnish newspaper today where Atria, a meat packing company which operates in Finland, Sweden, Estonia and Russia, say they've no reported virus cases among their workforce (except in Russia). They claim it's because they have strict hygiene regulations and that they do not have any workers in "barracks" style accommodation, as their workforce is mostly long-term workers.

(Story is in Finnish only but it's here: https://www.hs.fi/talous/art-2000006549289.html )

hmmm · 23-06-2020 04:38PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Several NBA and NFL players have tested positive. Along with tons of footballers from European teams and there hasnt been one report of any negative long term effects or even bad symptoms. One NBA player was posting videos of himself doing strenuous workouts every day when he had it.

Its almost like some people are wishing for a bad outcome. That will teach him

I literally just posted a link to a professional French footballer who was in a coma as a consequence of Covid.

We all know that younger people are less affected. But that's "less", not "completely immune to bad outcomes".

This isn't the Relaxation thread where people live in a dream-like bubble that everyone else is wrong and they are right.

Cork Boy 53 · 23-06-2020 04:39PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Commenting within reason.

I stated that 18 deaths and 122 new cases in Italy is too many which you agreed with. What exactly is your issue now?

Away With The Fairies · 23-06-2020 04:43PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I stated that 18 deaths and 122 new cases in Italy is too many which you agreed with. What exactly is your issue now?

Numbers are okay but only positive talk is allowed here. Anything negative, out with you. That's the tone of this whole thread.

ACitizenErased · 23-06-2020 04:47PM

3 more deaths RIP
10 cases

ACitizenErased · 23-06-2020 04:48PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I stated that 18 deaths and 122 new cases in Italy is too many which you agreed with. What exactly is your issue now?

How is Italy reporting 120 cases when they used to report 5,000+ a day too many?

hmmm · 23-06-2020 04:48PM

Lyle wrote: »

I wish this sentiment on the masks didn't exist. I totally get why people aren't going for it now in bigger numbers after the NPHET bunch was so negative about them for so long and how shoddily handled the advice they eventually settled on with masks was, but some people really do have to wear them. Even if down the line they're proven not to work, just for piece of mind some people like to wear one. There's no harm in it and some of the reactions are so full of vitriol, like it's worn in an attempt to deliberately annoy people who aren't buying into them.

I wear one and I've been met by some weird derision and flak when I'm out and about and I just find it so... I dunno. It's miserable really. I wanna get out, I've gotten out pretty much every day since March, at least for a bit. I have to wear one with two immuno-compromised family members in the house. People live with parents or grandparents that might be vulnerable, they might be a transplant patient, an asthma sufferer, a cancer survivor... They might even just live in a shared house with a few other people. They could have an immuno-suppressed partner or child... There's so many reasons. I understand you were potentially being hyperbolic given the monstrously miserable tone of your post but chat like that, I just think it's uncalled for when some of us aren't in a position to comfortably head out into the world without a mask on, for the sakes of ourselves or our loved ones.

Your post should be pinned to the top of the masks thread. I'm not sure myself whether masks make a difference, but I'll wear one because the public health experts say I should, and I know there are people like yourself who are understandably nervous. It's not much to ask to people to put something over your mouth when you're shopping or on public transport, you'd swear it was some huge imposition.

Allinall · 23-06-2020 04:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

How is Italy reporting 120 cases when they used to report 5,000+ a day too many?

Is that a serious question?

Sofa King · 23-06-2020 04:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

3 more deaths RIP
10 cases

Also this;

validation of data at the HPSC has resulted in the denotification of 2 confirmed cases.

Cork Boy 53 · 23-06-2020 04:49PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Numbers are okay but only positive talk is allowed here. Anything negative, out with you. That's the tone of this whole thread.

Tell me about it.:rolleyes: Not the worst thread on this forum for that mind you.

wadacrack · 23-06-2020 04:51PM

Just 10 new cases. Only 12 currently in ICU atm. and Yes its 12 too many before any poster likes to point out the obvious . Bit of banter can only be a good thing in the middle of a pandemic

Eod100 · 23-06-2020 04:53PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

3 more deaths RIP
10 cases

If we keep this low level of cases as restrictions ease it would be brilliant. You would wonder is there any truth to strain getting weaker or is it more social distancing, hand washing and restrictions seriously cut off transmission. Either way testament to all the hard work public, healthcare workers, public health teams and others have all been doing. It's a great position to be in

TheDoctor · 23-06-2020 04:54PM

Tuesday of course notorious for being lower due to the weekend.

Really can only believe Thursday figures

manofwisdom · 23-06-2020 04:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

How is Italy reporting 120 cases when they used to report 5,000+ a day too many?

Yes its not too many, 120 cases from 60 million population in Italy, do the maths on how many cases that would be in 5 million ROI.

lbj666 · 23-06-2020 04:56PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Tuesday of course notorious for being lower due to the weekend.

Really can only believe Thursday figures

Or just look at 7 day averages , which are still going down

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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