Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

ShyMets wrote: »

If you don't mind me asking. What steps should we take to manage any second wave

Drumpot wrote: »

If its about the economy lets take steps now to mitigate a future second wave so our economy doesn't suffer worse in the future because we didn't take steps now to future proof it.

I've said it before, Make masks mandatory as a minimum. Monitor our airports better and people travelling in and out of Ireland. Do we even have the infrared machines that they had in Asian countries back in January taking peoples temperatures? What about a contact tracing App ? What actually are we doing during this opening up to try and mitigate the severity of a second wave? What are we doing to educate people about how serious this disease and the potential for it to come back worse in the winter? People really seem to struggle between the idea of scaremongering versus objective discussions on prudent planning on a threat that is real.

Planning for a second wave, putting in place measures that are long term, sustainable and proven in more successful countries at managing this is better then riding a positivity train and opening everything up because you refuse to objectively assess the threat. You need your population to comply with a reasoned plan, we dont have one, we have open or close and we will deal with any fallout later. Its crazy and if it is bad or worse in the winter we only have ourselves to blame. Lets see how our economy copes if our healthcare system collapses.

And not just that , talking about it in a reasoned forum with each other would be nice. You can plan for the worst and hope for the best. It doesn’t have to be “you are either a pessimist or an optimist” you can be w realist and look at all angles at the same time. We have a much better chance now at our response to a second wave, let’s have political discussions and even discussions here on all aspects, not just one side of things. Our figures are getting better because of some savage lockdown, how do we take measures now to make sure we don’t have to do it again even if it comes back strong? What are we doing to retain the healthcare staff who came back from abroad ?

This is a real theat, not an imagined threat, a real ongoing threat that may or may not come back in a worse fashion. We honestly don’t know , maybe it will be grand but to assume it and to try and plough ahead as normal in the hope it will work out is negligent. Basic common sense would be to look at what we did well and wrong and look at the best countries and follow their lead. I’m not so sure we are doing that, maybe in some things but the future cost of us not putting in place measures now to reduce future waves is unwise.

I’ve been very relaxed the last 3 months, since I saw our government cancel the parade and take necessary steps to protect us all. I’m now worried that we are making similar mistakes that were made in February when many people under estimated the virus.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'm not pushing a postive narrative, at the start of this i was concerned like everyone else, now I'm of course still concerned and take all measures to mitigate against becoming ill but I've done my research, I've looked at everything and the situation as it stands now and I'm much more relaxed.

Back in Feb I wasn't posting on this thread so I can't comment on posts from then.

I'll engage with anyone on a discussion but when they start to turn into discussions based on opinion and not evidence then I'll step away. If someone can't provide evidence to back up a statement then it holds no credit.

Compared to March we had no testing and no tracing in place at levels that would be required, we have that now, we have extra hosptial capacity if it was ever needed (fingers crossed it not). Changes since March that should have an impact to keep cases low going forward.

And yes there are a small number of posters on here that no matter how much facts and data you put infront of them will still you that black is white. As one poster said "strap yourselves in for the second wave" , now does that not display a lack of capcity for discussion with a mindset like that

It can be hard to know who you are referring to when you make those broad statements so apologies if that was not directed at me.

I’m not sure what’s going to happen but I sell life assurance and think of this from a mitigation POV not an emotional or overly negative POV. I think a 2nd wave looks inevitable but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to be bad, just seems to be the course of virus’s. I am no epidemiologist but I’d of thought it we get bad flu outbreaks every winter , there is a solid chance that COVID can piggy back on this and spread more. I also know medically that in winter we get more flu like virus’s. That would lead me to believe that it’s reasonable to wonder if we could potentially get a more severe outbreak outside of the Feb/March one we just had.

It’s funny cause I’m more worried we get a bad wave not because we couldnt manage it but because we just didn’t bother to put the Infrastructure , planning and education in place to manage it better.

I’ve been trying to discuss the potential for a second wave with my wife. Maybe it’s because I’m self employed and you need to try and be ahead of the game , I’m used to trying and plan to navigate future issues. I don’t see doing SWOT analyses as Being negative.

yawhat? wrote: »

Nobody knows that a second wave is inevitable. Nobody knows that a second wave is not inevitable.

Nobody knows, do you understand this?

When you don’t know, it is advisable to take precautions. Not spoof about holidays and unnecessary restrictions and the economy and people living in fear.

We’ve had weeks and weeks of this nonsense from the same posters.

One thing we do know for certain, whatever happens, the same half dozen posters will be in here whinging and moaning and fretting over the economy as a cover for their real views.

Agreed.

It’s actually very similar on the soccer forum where some people take very strong stances on one side and you just can’t talk to them. They then revert to insults and they all thank each other and it becomes an echo chamber competition.

That’s football that’s not really important but people’s views on COVID and how we manage it is literally life and death. Really is sad to see how poor we all are at communicating. I can revert to insults myself when I get fed up so I’m throwing these stones in my own glasshouse....