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Madeleine McCann

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  • #6722
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    Indeed her relief that they couldn't be used in court was frightening
    .

    Proof of this please.


  • #6723
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Proof of this please.


    Read her book.


  • #6724
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    Read her book.

    I have. I didn’t see any part where she was “relieved they couldn’t be used in court”.. can you provide proof of that or at least refer to which bit you’re talking about?


  • #6725
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    retro:electro wrote: »
    I have. I didn’t see any part where she was “relieved they couldn’t be used in court”.. can you provide proof of that or at least refer to which bit you’re talking about?




    It's been provided multiple times in the thread.


    Please read through it


  • #6726
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Any sign of a letter yesterday?


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  • #6727
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    It's been provided multiple times in the thread.


    Please read through it

    Can you provide proof of the claim yes or no? I’ve read this thread, I’ve been posting in it since the start. I want to see proof of this “frightening” claim.


  • #6728
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Can you provide proof of the claim yes or no? I’ve read this thread, I’ve been posting in it since the start.


    I'm going to reply to you one last time.


    It's been provided a number of times on two threads.


    Search my posts. If you're not happy to do that. Please don't ask me for this again.


  • #6729
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    Why would she concerned about been stitched up?


    The dogs were brought in to help.


    Martin Grimes is not in the business of stitching anyone up.


    As a parent of a missing child you want the dogs to "work" you want them to help.


    I didn’t say Martin Grimes was stitching anyone up. The dogs could have been used in court to lay suspicion in the parents, I would guess that’s what Kate McCann was worried about. That and coconuts of course


  • #6730
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I'm going to reply to you one last time.


    It's been provided a number of times on two threads.


    Search my posts. If you're not happy to do that. Please don't ask me for this again.

    Ahh. The old “it’s in the thread, search back for it” default position of those who are using dishonest tactics and can’t provide proof of their claims.

    There was no part in the book where she expressed relief that they couldn’t be used in court.

    At least we have cleared that up.


  • #6731
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    I didn’t say Martin Grimes was stitching anyone up. The dogs could have been used in court to lay suspicion in the parents, I would guess that’s what Kate McCann was worried about. That and coconuts of course


    They could also help the McCanns.


    But all she seemed to care about was they couldn't be used.


    bizzare thought process


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  • #6732
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    They could also help the McCanns.


    But all she seemed to care about was they couldn't be used.


    bizzare thought process

    Again, if you’re going to repeatedly claim this you should at least learn how to back it up.

    Oh but that’s right you just want free reign to post falsities and not be inconvenienced by having to provide proof.


  • #6733
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    cgcsb wrote: »
    There are 2 dogs, one alerts to blood, the other to human corpses/decomposition. They both alerted to the same areas in separate tests (they didn't see each other alerting). Nobody ever died in apartment 5a according to the Ocean Club. There are other explanations as to where the scents came from, but it's suspicious none the less. Mc-Fans keep reinforcing their narrative of cadaver dogs being unreliable. I believe them to be reliable, they have proven to be reliable in the past, perhaps not 100% but they are pretty good. 95% accuracy and 2 independent alerts is sufficient for me to be suspicious.

    https://medium.com/@groversmill/the-truth-about-cadaver-dogs-5-things-you-didnt-know-a53344a43ee7#:~:text=Accuracy%3A%20Did%20you%20know%20studies,the%20location%20of%20a%20cadaver.

    Ah I see, sorry I thought the dogs could smell blood or a human corpse.. does the dog trained to alert to a human corpse not alert to blood then?


  • #6734
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    limnam wrote: »
    They could also help the McCanns.


    But all she seemed to care about was they couldn't be used.


    bizzare thought process

    It's also bizzare that nearly every interview with the McCanns is about protecting themselves. How it couldn't have been them and they weren't at fault.


  • #6735
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    callmehal wrote: »
    It's also bizzare that nearly every interview with the McCanns is about protecting themselves. How it couldn't have been them and they weren't at fault.


    everything about them is bizzare


  • #6736
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,026 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Something Else
    Rock77 wrote: »
    Ah I see, sorry I thought the dogs could smell blood or a human corpse.. does the dog trained to alert to a human corpse not alert to blood then?

    he only alerts to a corpse, not blood. The other dog is only to blood. The car and the apartment had both apparently.


  • #6737
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    It's also bizzare that nearly every interview with the McCanns is about protecting themselves. How it couldn't have been them and they weren't at fault.

    Not really considering the fact half the world were saying it was them, including the police..


  • #6738
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Not really considering the fact half the world were saying it was them, including the police..


    IF my daughter was kidnapped. God forbid. Regardless of the circumstances.


    My no 1 focus would always be her.


    No screaming "you don't know how you would react" will tell me otherwise.


    Not my innocence. Not what the papers said. Not what people thought of me


    But getting my daughter back.


    If that meant answering police questions as a suspect it would be done.


    whatever it took to try and get her back


  • #6739
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    cgcsb wrote: »
    We know that they didn't hire a car from the standard rental car companies at the airport, that's all we know.



    We don't know if they have friends in the area or not. They seemed to be close with the local priest alright.

    We know that they hired a car after the fact which means they would have had to move a body in that car while the world was watching them.

    Talking dogs are not evidence.


  • #6740
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,026 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Something Else
    Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »
    We know that they hired a car after the fact which means they would have had to move a body in that car while the world was watching them.

    Talking dogs are not evidence.

    False, for the McCann's to be guilty and the dogs to be correct it only takes an object in close contact with Maddie's corpse (like clothing for example) to be in the car, not the body it's self. The dog also alerted to a blouse belonging to maddie and the cuddle cat.


  • #6741
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    The samples that were recovered were absolutely worthless. But hey don’t let that get in the way of a good fantasy.


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  • #6742
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    This is for people who know more about the dogs than I


    Everyone assumes if the dogs were correct = McCanns guilty.


    Based on how the dogs work, is it possible for her to have been killed in the apartment by someone other than the McCanns


    Is there enough time in the windows?


    Would the body have been there long enough for the dogs to alert ?


    I think if we can use the dogs as alerts for people other than the McCanns they'd stop shouting coconuts every 5 minutes.


  • #6743
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Rock77 wrote: »
    Not really considering the fact half the world were saying it was them, including the police..

    You'd think concern for their child who could still be alive would be their number one concern!


  • #6744
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,026 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


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    retro:electro wrote: »
    The samples that were recovered were absolutely worthless. But hey don’t let that get in the way of a good fantasy.

    Why do you keep repeating this? we know the samples recovered aren't conclusive. The McCann's being guilty is less of a fantasy than the abduction scenario at the moment given what the public know.


  • #6745
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I think if we can use the dogs as alerts for people other than the McCanns they'd stop shouting coconuts every 5 minutes.

    Ironically the last person to do this was yourself
    limnam wrote: »
    COCONUTS!


    :pac: :pac:


  • #6746
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    cgcsb wrote: »
    he only alerts to a corpse, not blood. The other dog is only to blood. The car and the apartment had both apparently.

    The apartment had trace's of blood some of which could have been Madeline's. DNA and dogs have been done to death and come up with nothing.


  • #6747
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »
    The apartment had trace's of blood some of which could have been Madeline's. DNA and dogs have been done to death and come up with nothing.

    The blood found in the apartment was not Madeleine’s

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2007/aug/16/ukcrime.madeleinemccann


  • #6748
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    cgcsb wrote: »
    Why do you keep repeating this? we know the samples recovered aren't conclusive. The McCann's being guilty is less of a fantasy than the abduction scenario at the moment given what the public know.

    I keep repeating it because it’s extremely important. And I will keep repeating it every time some wild fantasy is brought up :)


  • #6749
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,026 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Something Else
    Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »
    The apartment had trace's of blood some of which could have been Madeline's. DNA and dogs have been done to death and come up with nothing.

    They haven't come up with nothing they've come up with a suspicious scent, a sample was taken and was found to be inconclusive.


  • #6750
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,026 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Something Else
    retro:electro wrote: »
    I keep repeating it because it’s extremely important. And I will keep repeating it every time some wild fantasy is brought up :)

    But everyone already knows that. This is a thread about speculation (wild fantasies if you prefer) chief among them being that Maddie was abducted, which there is no evidence of.


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  • #6751
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    IF my daughter was kidnapped. God forbid. Regardless of the circumstances.


    My no 1 focus would always be her.


    No screaming "you don't know how you would react" will tell me otherwise.


    Not my innocence. Not what the papers said. Not what people thought of me


    But getting my daughter back.


    If that meant answering police questions as a suspect it would be done.


    whatever it took to try and get her back

    I hear you and I would be the same.

    My point was it was being asked of them, they were being questioned by reporters, police, everyone. They didn’t just come out and say ‘our child is missing but it wasn’t us, I swear’

    They were being accused, that’s why they were defending themselves.

    Or because they killed the child and covered it up of course.


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