Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

NegativeCreep · 23-06-2020 05:24AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What type of accomodation and I will see what’s the closest I could get? Too often we compare self catering “resort” accommodation with independent or 4 star hotels, so want to compare like with like

I’m staying in ondamar hotel apartmentos in Albufeira if you must know.

stephenjmcd · 23-06-2020 07:18AM

Strumms wrote: »

This IS my mindset too, a little more sacrificing, a little more discipline, a little more time and patience bringing much more positive and healthy outcome.

The money is being spent here... not as much to go around but it’s a sensible and realistic roadmap to obtaining a healthy restart, with everyone or close to everyone ready to contribute...

Again fûck the greedbags.

Your use of greedbags as a term is highly insulting and disproportionate to the conversation.

The only people being greedy is the Irish Hotel industry, crying out for business but last night I looked up 3 nights in Galway €450, 450 quid for Galway, that's no breakfast or evening meals just a room only rate. 2 of us can go to Spain for example for €350 each for 7 nights, better weather, cheaper when you get there and we'll probably spend less in 7 nights that in 3 in Galway.

So sorry if I'm a "greedbag" but when Irish staycation becomes less of a rip off I'll consider a longer holiday here.

A healthly outcome.... we've around 40 people in hispoital and 4 new cases yesterday, thats a healthy outcome compared to 2 months ago no ? People are still sacrificing and have done while we implemented the slowest reopening in the EU, you can't dispute that because its true.

Anyway you'll probably disagree with all of that and sure go ahead call me a greedbag for wanting to enjoy the summer while I can. You yourself compared why someone would go to Madrid yesterday over Galway

23-06-2020 07:47AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Your use of greedbags as a term is highly insulting and disproportionate to the conversation.

The only people being greedy is the Irish Hotel industry, crying out for business but last night I looked up 3 nights in Galway €450, 450 quid for Galway, that's no breakfast or evening meals just a room only rate. 2 of us can go to Spain for example for €350 each for 7 nights, better weather, cheaper when you get there and we'll probably spend less in 7 nights that in 3 in Galway.

So sorry if I'm a "greedbag" but when Irish staycation becomes less of a rip off I'll consider a longer holiday here.

A healthly outcome.... we've around 40 people in hispoital and 4 new cases yesterday, thats a healthy outcome compared to 2 months ago no ? People are still sacrificing and have done while we implemented the slowest reopening in the EU, you can't dispute that because its true.

Anyway you'll probably disagree with all of that and sure go ahead call me a greedbag for wanting to enjoy the summer while I can. You yourself compared why someone would go to Madrid yesterday over Galway

I agree. You’re no greedbag.

There is not a single person here suggesting that there should not be border restrictions on arrivals from high risk places like Brazil and the USA. We are all talking about the EU (I would no longer include the UK as a high risk country given where they are on the curve)

Anyway, the point will be moot soon as there will likely travel bridges between Ireland and other EU countries within the month. The EU will demand it in return for a better share of that pot of money, and there is no longer a health reason why Ireland can justify restricting EU freedom of movement

It seems like most here are more upset about spending our money overseas, than any additional risk from a holiday in Spain. Well, I spend my money here as well....it’s not mutually exclusive. But when it comes to a proper holiday rather than a weekend away.....well, Europe generally is just better in terms of price and quality of experience than ‘rip-off’ Ireland

stephenjmcd · 23-06-2020 08:03AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I agree. You’re no greedbag.

There is not a single person here suggesting that there should not be border restrictions on arrivals from high risk places like Brazil and the USA. We are all talking about the EU (I would no longer include the UK as a high risk country given where they are on the curve)

Anyway, the point will be moot soon as there will likely travel bridges between Ireland and other EU countries within the month. The EU will demand it in return for a better share of that pot of money, and there is no longer a health reason why Ireland can justify restricting EU freedom of movement

It seems like most here are more upset about spending our money overseas, than any additional risk from a holiday in Spain. Well, I spend my money here as well....it’s not mutually exclusive. But when it comes to a proper holiday rather than a weekend away.....well, Europe generally is just better in terms of price and quality of experience than ‘rip-off’ Ireland

I've no issue with travel within the EU, travel from outside the EU should continue to have restrictions.

I agree if we want a bigger share of the pot then we'll have to come into line with the rest of Europe.

I spend my money here 51 weeks of the year, I'll take it abroad for 1 week if I want to. I'd rather be sat by a pool in Spain paying €2 or less for my beer than it be lashing rain out and paying more than a fiver for a pint. For 1 week a year its a clear choice.

Boggles · 23-06-2020 08:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyway, the point will be moot soon as there will likely travel bridges between Ireland and other EU countries within the month. The EU will demand it in return for a better share of that pot of money, and there is no longer a health reason why Ireland can justify restricting EU freedom of movement

They have all ready demanded, but Ireland is not part The Schengen Area so they can't demand anything from us in that regard.

Not that they will have to, we will more than likely fall in line.

stephenjmcd · 23-06-2020 08:22AM

Boggles wrote: »

They have all ready demanded, but Ireland is not part The Schengen Area so they can't demand anything from us in that regard.

Not that they will have to, we will more than likely fall in line.

Schengen has nothing to do with this, if Ireland want to argue for a bigger slice of the recovery pot we'll have to fall in line with the same approach as the rest of the EU

23-06-2020 08:29AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Your use of greedbags as a term is highly insulting and disproportionate to the conversation.

The only people being greedy is the Irish Hotel industry, crying out for business but last night I looked up 3 nights in Galway €450, 450 quid for Galway, that's no breakfast or evening meals just a room only rate. 2 of us can go to Spain for example for €350 each for 7 nights, better weather, cheaper when you get there and we'll probably spend less in 7 nights that in 3 in Galway.

So sorry if I'm a "greedbag" but when Irish staycation becomes less of a rip off I'll consider a longer holiday here.

A healthly outcome.... we've around 40 people in hispoital and 4 new cases yesterday, thats a healthy outcome compared to 2 months ago no ? People are still sacrificing and have done while we implemented the slowest reopening in the EU, you can't dispute that because its true.

Anyway you'll probably disagree with all of that and sure go ahead call me a greedbag for wanting to enjoy the summer while I can. You yourself compared why someone would go to Madrid yesterday over Galway

Are you willing to have Spanish wages to achieve Spanish prices in Ireland? - median household net income 1200pm lower in Spain than here. Also what sort of hotel were you looking at in Galway, and what would the equivalent cost in the likes of Ronda? A small city with large amounts of tourism - you have to compare like with like, not city hotels with purpose built resort accommodation

Boggles · 23-06-2020 08:40AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Schengen has nothing to do with this, if Ireland want to argue for a bigger slice of the recovery pot we'll have to fall in line with the same approach as the rest of the EU

When it comes to the EU enforcing unrestricted access it has everything to with it.

It cannot legally tell us not to enforce border checks, whatever about a slice of a pot.

It's not up for debate.

podgeandrodge · 23-06-2020 08:46AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Major study into antibody response was released today.
It shows that many of the commercial antibody tests are missing people who were exposed. The Roche, Abbott, and Euroimmun tests, in particular, seem like serial offenders here. They don't pick up what happens to the T-Cells in the body.

It also shows we are closer to herd immunity than previous antibody tests showed.
Well worth a read.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20132449v1

Great read. Interesting to see if this develops.

is_that_so · 23-06-2020 08:52AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Major study into antibody response was released today.
It shows that many of the commercial antibody tests are missing people who were exposed. The Roche, Abbott, and Euroimmun tests, in particular, seem like serial offenders here. They don't pick up what happens to the T-Cells in the body.

It also shows we are closer to herd immunity than previous antibody tests showed.
Well worth a read.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20132449v1

It doesn't seem to say how long after illness the serological tests were applied. 28 days plus seems to be the guideline. That guess could be in the order of 5%, 10% or maybe 20%, that's still not much more than 30% at best.

eagle eye · 23-06-2020 09:11AM

Micky 32 wrote:

Look on the bright side we can now book flights for holidays of a lifetime this summer. It wonâ€™t matter now if we bring back the virus on a plane because apparently the virus is going to get us with a vengeance come autumn anyway. Enjoy the summer people ;-)

Maybe if you thought about things for a brief moment, if you are capable of doing that, before you post.
If we don't go abroad, if we quarantine and test everybody coming in to this country we don't get a second wave. We don't end up with another lockdown and our economy survives.
I was in lockdown before the government decided to go into lockdown. I wore facemasks from the 1st March until a week ago, only trips out were for walks in a private location and weekly shopping. I was called a doom monger on here for wanting the lockdown to continue in mid-April and May.
I'm now walking around with no facemask, meeting some close friends and family. We are in a very good position now.
We don't have herd immunity though and I don't want to be responsible for the thousands more deaths that are inevitable for us to have the possibility of herd immunity. Do you?
There's enough information there in front of you to reach a sensible decision on what to do over the next few months. Getting on planes is not a sensible decision, going abroad and risking picking up the virus is not a sensible decision. Letting people into our country and trusting them to stay isolated is not a sensible decision.

seamus · 23-06-2020 09:24AM

Jagger Teeny Sisterhood wrote: »

The covid sure has a thing for meat processing factories, hunderds previously in a case in the US (Dakota), today Anglesey reports 175 workers positive, Germany this week had a couple of plants affect it's national R-value, even though it was very localised catchment areas.

If meat factories are having trouble keeping a lid on a virus while on high alert, have a think about how poor their hygiene practices must have been before this pandemic and what other infections they've pumping out for decades.

I expect the major issue here is the animal blood being a perfect place for a virus to survive from host to host, and low-income, low-education, low-ethics workers being brought into work regardless of whether they feel ill.

Micky 32 · 23-06-2020 09:31AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Maybe if you thought about things for a brief moment, if you are capable of doing that, before you post.
If we don't go abroad, if we quarantine and test everybody coming in to this country we don't get a second wave. We don't end up with another lockdown and our economy survives.
I was in lockdown before the government decided to go into lockdown. I wore facemasks from the 1st March until a week ago, only trips out were for walks in a private location and weekly shopping. I was called a doom monger on here for wanting the lockdown to continue in mid-April and May.
I'm now walking around with no facemask, meeting some close friends and family. We are in a very good position now.
We don't have herd immunity though and I don't want to be responsible for the thousands more deaths that are inevitable for us to have the possibility of herd immunity. Do you?
There's enough information there in front of you to reach a sensible decision on what to do over the next few months. Getting on planes is not a sensible decision, going abroad and risking picking up the virus is not a sensible decision. Letting people into our country and trusting them to stay isolated is not a sensible decision.

I think you’ll find my post was tongue in cheek. A poster on here ( i won’t mention any names) has said come autumn we’re all going down the kermit. Seeing that we are all doomed anyway I jokingly suggested that we all might aswell go on holidays.

Btw i would hope that you are condemning travelling around Ireland to prevent it spreading especially on public transport and not just on planes. Someone from Dublin that’s infected can easily travel to Sligo and spread the virus there just as easily as someone going to a virus supressed country and bringing it back here.

Drumpot · 23-06-2020 09:35AM

seamus wrote: »

If meat factories are having trouble keeping a lid on a virus while on high alert, have a think about how poor their hygiene practices must have been before this pandemic and what other infections they've pumping out for decades.

I expect the major issue here is the animal blood being a perfect place for a virus to survive from host to host, and low-income, low-education, low-ethics workers being brought into work regardless of whether they feel ill.

In terms of EU travel, we need to be very slow to open anything up.

EU travel caused us to become infected in the first place. We shouldn't be opening up to any country that isn't testing to the same level that we are or has a higher rate of new cases than we do. All of the Americas and the UK should be absolutely off the table until the end of the year. Other EU countries on a case-by-case basis.

Really is a cluster f**k in terms of organisation among countries, very similar to US states.

It is no surprise when you have politicians and beaurocrats who are only Focused on short term economic issues and excel at political popularity strategy's , promoted by propaganda. Most people want what they want and want to be told they can do what they want and politicians love nothing more then the love of the people. I think our government got so much right the last few months but they are now making huge mistakes by reverting back to more populist strategies that people want which has nothing to do with science or prudence.

Hard to see how there won’t be serious consequences to how European countries are mis managing the re-opening. Still think a lot of people don’t understand virus’s and are acting like managing a pandemic is like managing a financial crisis. We are not in control of this.

23-06-2020 09:49AM

9 imported cases in New Zealand in the past week. For how long is the level of isolation they require to maintain their covid free status sustainable for the country?

Boggles · 23-06-2020 09:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

9 imported cases in New Zealand in the past week. For how long is the level of isolation they require to maintain their covid free status sustainable for the country?

Sustainable economically?

Their internal economy is close to full throttle, we still have close to a million people getting subsidized by the state.

Drumpot · 23-06-2020 10:05AM

Boggles wrote: »

Sustainable economically?

Their internal economy is close to full throttle, we still have close to a million people getting subsisted by the state.

Sort of shows the restrictions and major issues of globalisation.

Any country that has more autonomy (not politically tied either) and flexibility in what it chooses to do stands a much better chance over the coming years. That or a country that has a responsible population who have the capacity to make some sacrifices for the greater good.

People in western democracy’s can’t even spend a few weeks binge watching TV without complaining. Makes me think of Chernobyl which comes to mind as it’s been recently revisited in that brilliant TV show. It was almost unbelievable watching normal joe soaps putting their own lives on the line for the greater good. People putting mother Russia as the most important thing to protect. In one sense it was tragic and the political manipulation behind it is of course wrong. But at its core it was normal people coming together in a tragedy to do what had to be done to prevent the tragedy being worse for far more people.

This isnt happening in modern Western democracies because they don’t understand the concept of collective responsibility for the greater good. We have to be forced to do what’s in the interest of everybody and quite often a significant proportion are kicking and screaming against it.

Plumbthedepths · 23-06-2020 10:28AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Sort of shows the restrictions and major issues of globalisation.

Any country that has more autonomy (not politically tied either) and flexibility in what it chooses to do stands a much better chance over the coming years. That or a country that has a responsible population who have the capacity to make some sacrifices for the greater good.

People in western democracy’s can’t even spend a few weeks binge watching TV without complaining. Makes me think of Chernobyl which comes to mind as it’s been recently revisited in that brilliant TV show. It was almost unbelievable watching normal joe soaps putting their own lives on the line for the greater good. People putting mother Russia as the most important thing to protect. In one sense it was tragic and the political manipulation behind it is of course wrong. But at its core it was normal people coming together in a tragedy to do what had to be done to prevent the tragedy being worse for far more people.

This isnt happening in modern Western democracies because they don’t understand the concept of collective responsibility for the greater good. We have to be forced to do what’s in the interest of everybody and quite often a significant proportion are kicking and screaming against it.

I got as far as the 'few weeks' nonsense and decided I had read enough rubbish.

Drumpot · 23-06-2020 10:30AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I got as far as the 'few weeks' nonsense and decided I had read enough rubbish.

Ignorance is bliss.

s1ippy · 23-06-2020 10:33AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Sort of shows the restrictions and major issues of globalisation.

Any country that has more autonomy (not politically tied either) and flexibility in what it chooses to do stands a much better chance over the coming years. That or a country that has a responsible population who have the capacity to make some sacrifices for the greater good.

People in western democracy’s can’t even spend a few weeks binge watching TV without complaining. Makes me think of Chernobyl which comes to mind as it’s been recently revisited in that brilliant TV show. It was almost unbelievable watching normal joe soaps putting their own lives on the line for the greater good. People putting mother Russia as the most important thing to protect. In one sense it was tragic and the political manipulation behind it is of course wrong. But at its core it was normal people coming together in a tragedy to do what had to be done to prevent the tragedy being worse for far more people.

This isnt happening in modern Western democracies because they don’t understand the concept of collective responsibility for the greater good. We have to be forced to do what’s in the interest of everybody and quite often a significant proportion are kicking and screaming against it.

See Belgian "second wave" parties.

Good luck to the cnuts.

brick tamland · 23-06-2020 10:40AM

seamus wrote: »

If meat factories are having trouble keeping a lid on a virus while on high alert, have a think about how poor their hygiene practices must have been before this pandemic and what other infections they've pumping out for decades.

I expect the major issue here is the animal blood being a perfect place for a virus to survive from host to host, and low-income, low-education, low-ethics workers being brought into work regardless of whether they feel ill.
.

I think there is more at play in the meat factories than just work conditions. Mostly cheap foreign labourers all living together in big numbers in houses/dorms that are not big enough to safely distance in, with shared kitchens/bathroom/living areas ect. Its the same here really. I believe here the workers are bussed to work in mini buses/vans.

Non solum non ambulabit · 23-06-2020 10:44AM

s1ippy wrote: »

See Belgian "second wave" parties.

Good luck to the cnuts.

See 99% of people acting responsibilty, often to great personal cost, over the last few months in Ireland,

Well done to everyone.

23-06-2020 10:50AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Sort of shows the restrictions and major issues of globalisation.

Any country that has more autonomy (not politically tied either) and flexibility in what it chooses to do stands a much better chance over the coming years. That or a country that has a responsible population who have the capacity to make some sacrifices for the greater good.

People in western democracy’s can’t even spend a few weeks binge watching TV without complaining. Makes me think of Chernobyl which comes to mind as it’s been recently revisited in that brilliant TV show. It was almost unbelievable watching normal joe soaps putting their own lives on the line for the greater good. People putting mother Russia as the most important thing to protect. In one sense it was tragic and the political manipulation behind it is of course wrong. But at its core it was normal people coming together in a tragedy to do what had to be done to prevent the tragedy being worse for far more people.

This isnt happening in modern Western democracies because they don’t understand the concept of collective responsibility for the greater good. We have to be forced to do what’s in the interest of everybody and quite often a significant proportion are kicking and screaming against it.

This is actually hysterical. You'd be first in line to sign away our civil liberties

ChelseaRentBoy · 23-06-2020 10:51AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

See 99% of people acting responsibilty, often to great personal cost, over the last few months in Ireland,

Well done to everyone.

99% my hole. Still only about 30% in supermarkets wearing masks. I had to go into Woodies yesterday for essential plumbing equipment and lucky if 10% had masks on. Several house parties last weekend on my road, zero fcuks given one in a house with a woman who's a carer in a nursing home.

We are going back to lockdown within weeks of say because of the majority of fcukwits in this country.

kenmc · 23-06-2020 10:51AM

South Korea are reporting a second wave now

And they were supposed to have been one of the countries which handled the initial outbreak best.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-53135626

tom1ie · 23-06-2020 10:54AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

See 99% of people acting responsibilty, often to great personal cost, over the last few months in Ireland,

Well done to everyone.

99%? Have you a link for that? Or is this just more nonsense.

Away With The Fairies · 23-06-2020 10:54AM

kenmc wrote: »

South Korea are reporting a second wave now
And they were supposed to have been one of the countries which handled the initial outbreak best.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-53135626

There will be excuses telling you that it's not a second wave because of positivity and all that.

Plumbthedepths · 23-06-2020 10:54AM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

We are going back to lockdown within weeks of say because of the majority of fcukwits in this country.

Why keep saying something that even Nphet and government have said won't be happening again ( possibly localised restrictions)? Do you think you can post rubbish and not be challenged on it?

kenmc · 23-06-2020 10:56AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There will be excuses telling you that it's not a second wave because of positivity and all that.

Their words, not mine. Maybe lost in translation of course, here's hoping.

Non solum non ambulabit · 23-06-2020 10:56AM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

99% my hole. Still only about 30% in supermarkets wearing masks. I had to go into Woodies yesterday for essential plumbing equipment and lucky if 10% had masks on. Several house parties last weekend on my road, zero fcuks given one in a house with a woman who's a carer in a nursing home.

We are going back to lockdown within weeks of say because of the majority of fcukwits in this country.

Produce data to back that up and I'll listen to you.

I'll provide data for my arguement

The biggest pandemic in 100 years and we now have

12 people in ICU
40 people in Hospital
176 Active cases based on Lab testing

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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