Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Strumms · 22-06-2020 07:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why don’t all those people so worried about the Irish economy, and lucky enough to be in a position to have a holiday actually stay home for holidays this year?

I just looked at 4 nights in what was a Radisson hotel here next June...962 euros.

I then compared it to one in Madrid which I’ve stayed in... 429 Euros.

Both hotels central.

Remind me why I’d be staying here ? I’d be gone to Madrid... I’d save a fortune on...

-Accommodation

-Food

-Transport

I’m in a city where I’m guaranteed...

-Better weather

-Better public transport

-Better value for money shopping and experience in general

-Better shopping in general

-More things to see and do

AND, all that costs you a fraction.

22-06-2020 07:43PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I've worked hard during the lockdown paid my taxes etc I didn't sit on my ass collecting €350 telling people to 'stay the fuçk at home'. If I want to get on a plane when the government deems it safe to do so I will. I don't need to stay in Ireland and be gouged by the hospitality industry which has been shut for 3 months with a poor value offering. I can spend 49 other weeks of the year paying high prices and taxes to support the economy. Watch out for the first step off your horse, I heard it's the trickiest.

Everyone has the right to do as they wish, however what I can’t understand are those that admonish the country for placing restrictions on businesses, but when the opportunity arises state that the first thing they will do is spend their money elsewhere rather than support those same businesses. If you can, by all means do both, but even if all restrictions on travel were lifted in the morning the number of overseas travelers here would still be tiny this year. So to somewhat make up for it we should encourage people to spend at home. I would suggest some sort of tax rebate for money spend in the hospitality sector from July to September. Would more than make up for the cost in saved COVID payments in the short term, and saved businesses in the long term.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-06-2020 07:45PM

Germany's most populous state, North Rhine-Westphalia, under pressure to impose total lockdown following surge in cases and fears of super spreader events.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/covid-19-outbreak-prompts-lockdown-calls-in-germany-s-most-populous-state-1.4285646?mode=amp

Arghus · 22-06-2020 07:46PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I've worked hard during the lockdown paid my taxes etc I didn't sit on my ass collecting €350 telling people to 'stay the fuçk at home'. If I want to get on a plane when the government deems it safe to do so I will. I don't need to stay in Ireland and be gouged by the hospitality industry which has been shut for 3 months with a poor value offering. I can spend 49 other weeks of the year paying high prices and taxes to support the economy. Watch out for the first step off your horse, I heard it's the trickiest.

I also worked hard during the lockdown and paid my taxes, but I did tell people to stay at home.

Tim Robbins · 22-06-2020 07:47PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

I can completely relate to this. I envy people who have never experienced an asthma attack and the absolute feeling of terror that goes along with it.
As you said as well I would like if the HSE released data as you mentioned about what the underlying conditions were for those cases that required hospitalisations.
If I saw for myself that asthma was down the list that would reassure me somewhat
Also @ACitizenErased thank you for sharing those links I found them helpful

The data is incomplete unless they detail the severity of the asthma. Some people have very mild asthma, shortness of breath if they were on a session the night before and then went for a 10K jog. Other people if they don't have their medication may be prone to a whooper and a lung collapsing.

It's not like diabetes where is categorised into type 1 and type 2.

SPDUB · 22-06-2020 07:49PM

Strumms wrote: »

I just looked at 4 nights in what was a Radisson hotel here next June...962 euros.

I then compared it to one in Madrid which I’ve stayed in... 429 Euros.

I'd ask why a international hotel chain has such vastly different price given that their work practices should be the same in each hotel .

I'd understand a €150 maybe €200 difference because the cost of business is higher here possibly but €500

22-06-2020 07:49PM

Seamai wrote: »

In fairness spending our money here in this country is the best way to help our own economy to get back on it's feet, no one else is going to do it for us.

It would be if the Irish hospitality sector didn’t rip you off

Boggles · 22-06-2020 07:50PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Germany's most populous state, North Rhine-Westphalia, under pressure to impose total lockdown following surge in cases and fears of super spreader events.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/covid-19-outbreak-prompts-lockdown-calls-in-germany-s-most-populous-state-1.4285646?mode=amp

They were the state that put the most pressure on Angela to open up.

Renjit · 22-06-2020 07:50PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I've worked hard during the lockdown paid my taxes etc I didn't sit on my ass collecting €350 telling people to 'stay the fuçk at home'. If I want to get on a plane when the government deems it safe to do so I will. I don't need to stay in Ireland and be gouged by the hospitality industry which has been shut for 3 months with a poor value offering. I can spend 49 other weeks of the year paying high prices and taxes to support the economy. Watch out for the first step off your horse, I heard it's the trickiest.

Where do you think those 350 euro came from? Those who paid taxes. You are fortunate to have your job in place. Not same for others. May be reconsider what your write.

Boggles · 22-06-2020 07:53PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I've worked hard during the lockdown paid my taxes etc I didn't sit on my ass collecting €350 telling people to 'stay the fuçk at home'. If I want to get on a plane when the government deems it safe to do so I will.

Ahh, it was the government who "forced" people to stay at home, well strictly the global pandemic.

But anyway, where you thinking of going?

22-06-2020 07:53PM

Strumms wrote: »

I just looked at 4 nights in what was a Radisson hotel here next June...962 euros.

I then compared it to one in Madrid which I’ve stayed in... 429 Euros.

Both hotels central.

Remind me why I’d be staying here ? I’d be gone to Madrid... I’d save a fortune on...

-Accommodation

-Food

-Transport

I’m in a city where I’m guaranteed...

-Better weather

-Better public transport

-Better value for money shopping and experience in general

-Better shopping in general

-More things to see and do

AND, all that costs you a fraction.

Madrid hotels are more expensive in spring and Autumn as Spanish move away from cities in the summer. And presuming you are talking about Galway based on it being a former radisson? If so can get it for €643 next June for four nights, at the weekend, in high season. Then flights etc. Won’t be long adding up to €1,000+ in Madrid

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 07:55PM

My father is a healthcare worker with the HSE and worked all through the pandemic and is dying to go on a holiday. If our flight wasn't cancelled he'd be over in Germany right now. He knows how to look after himself, and if that's his wish then so be it.

Strumms · 22-06-2020 07:57PM

Yes the former Galway one. It’s just a big disparity in pricing.

Again Madrid offers much more in the way of amenities and choices for a holiday maker plus great weather.

ShyMets · 22-06-2020 07:57PM

Ah, remember the good old days on this thread when people use to argue about numbers instead of the merits of going on a foreign holiday:)

Arghus · 22-06-2020 07:58PM

ShyMets wrote: »

Ah, remember the good old days on this thread when people use to argue about numbers instead of the merits of going on a foreign holiday:)

It's a positive development overall!

Kermit.de.frog · 22-06-2020 08:10PM

The governor of Texas has (finally) announced that COVID is now "spreading at an unacceptable rate" in his state as hospitalizations soar. This is increasing speculation that the state is about to be locked down.

Louisiana today put on hold it's opening up for a further 28 days due to fast increasing hospitalizations.

The mayor of Miama has also described the situation in his state and city as increasingly serious

This is a real spike,” Miami Beach Mayor Dan Gelber said at the news conference. “Nobody can argue with the fact that more people are being hospitalized.

He added that “it would not be responsible to rely on irrational optimism that all of this is going to go away.”

So serious in fact that the governor who saw fit to decide that WWE was an 'essential service' for Floridians among many other things was yesterday blaming young people for spreading the disease!

Micky 32 · 22-06-2020 08:12PM

Seamai wrote: »

In fairness spending our money here in this country is the best way to help our own economy to get back on it's feet, no one else is going to do it for us.

There’s a lot of people who travel because they have families abroad, lets not forget about them.

Micky 32 · 22-06-2020 08:14PM

Boggles wrote: »

Ahh, it was the government who "forced" people to stay at home, well strictly the global pandemic.

But anyway, where you thinking of going?

Ah you seem to be glowing with glee that people were “forced “ to stay at home, more arrogance on this thread.

ShyMets · 22-06-2020 08:18PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The governor of Texas has (finally) announced that COVID is now "spreading at an unacceptable rate" in his state as hospitalizations soar. This is increasing speculation that the state is about to be locked down.

Louisiana today put on hold it's opening up for a further 28 days due to fast increasing hospitalizations.

The mayor of Miama has also described the situation in his state and city as increasingly serious

So serious in fact that the governor who saw fit to decide that WWE was an 'essential service' for Floridians among many other things was yesterday blaming young people for spreading the disease!

As much as I disliked lockdown. What is happening in some states of the US is a reminder or what could have happened here if we'd reopened too soon

NegativeCreep · 22-06-2020 08:19PM

Booked a week in Portugal for next month. Worked out at around 800 for 2 people. Good luck staying anywhere nice in Ireland for a week at that price!

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 08:20PM

ShyMets wrote: »

As much as I disliked lockdown. What is happening in some states of the US is a reminder or what could have happened if we'd reopened too soon

What is happening in the US is exactly why I hate people saying Ireland complete fu*cked up with this whole thing. Yes, we had major nursing home issues. Yes, our easing of restrictions has been a little slow. But we shut the country down when we should have, and waited until it cooled down.

Plumbthedepths · 22-06-2020 08:20PM

ShyMets wrote: »

Ah, remember the good old days on this thread when people use to argue about numbers instead of the merits of going on a foreign holiday:)

Life finds a way.

22-06-2020 08:27PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Booked a week in Portugal for next month. Worked out at around 800 for 2 people. Good luck staying anywhere nice in Ireland for a week at that price!

There’s a reason by ‘rip-off Ireland’ became a colloquialism. And post COVID seems to have supercharged it as far as I can see. You can stay in an absolutely beautiful Airbnb in Tuscany for the same as one on the west coast that likely has the ubiquitous brown leather sofa and picture of the Virgin Mary on the wall. People who don’t travel internationally much obviously don’t realise just how much better quality and better value the tourist offering is around Europe

And given that there has been no evidence so illustrate a meaningful infection risk of sitting on a plane, and the COVID situation in Europe is under control, I see no reason to not avail of that

ginoginelli · 22-06-2020 08:28PM

Tim Robbins wrote: »

The data is incomplete unless they detail the severity of the asthma. Some people have very mild asthma, shortness of breath if they were on a session the night before and then went for a 10K jog. Other people if they don't have their medication may be prone to a whooper and a lung collapsing.

It's not like diabetes where is categorised into type 1 and type 2.

I have asthma. I find people with regular lungs dont really have a clue what it feels like to be slowly suffocating from an asthma attack, or to constantly feel like your breathing through a straw. I remember when covid symptoms were announced a few months ago somebody queried "what does it feel like to be short of breath?".

Unless one has experienced severe asthma bouts, they really have no idea how bad it can be.

Asthmatics might be on the lower end of risk compared to other comorbidities, and there have been some inconclusive reports of asthmatics not having as a severe reaction as others, but that says nothing to the potential long term affects to the already compromised lungs of an asthmatic.

Covid is a novel respiratory virus and has shown, in some cases, to cause ground glass opacification in lungs, which can destroy lung function and the ability to breath . Asthmatic's lungs are already compromised, a bout of corona could potentially severely damage their quality of life.

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 08:35PM

Major study into antibody response was released today.
It shows that many of the commercial antibody tests are missing people who were exposed. The Roche, Abbott, and Euroimmun tests, in particular, seem like serial offenders here. They don't pick up what happens to the T-Cells in the body.

It also shows we are closer to herd immunity than previous antibody tests showed.
Well worth a read.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20132449v1

22-06-2020 08:35PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Booked a week in Portugal for next month. Worked out at around 800 for 2 people. Good luck staying anywhere nice in Ireland for a week at that price!

What type of accomodation and I will see what’s the closest I could get? Too often we compare self catering “resort” accommodation with independent or 4 star hotels, so want to compare like with like

22-06-2020 08:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There’s a reason by ‘rip-off Ireland’ became a colloquialism. And post COVID seems to have supercharged it as far as I can see. You can stay in an absolutely beautiful Airbnb in Tuscany for the same as one on the west coast that likely has the ubiquitous brown leather sofa and picture of the Virgin Mary on the wall. People who don’t travel internationally much obviously don’t realise just how much better quality and better value the tourist offering is around Europe

And given that there has been no evidence so illustrate a meaningful infection risk of sitting on a plane, and the COVID situation in Europe is under control, I see no reason to not avail of that

The standard of hotel accommodation in Tuscany is terrible compared to here unless you are at the top end of the market. What Irish people look for at home and abroad are very different. Our standard of self catering options has been improving rapidly however in the past 10 years, whereas Tuscany are at it for decades

owlbethere · 22-06-2020 08:43PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Booked a week in Portugal for next month. Worked out at around 800 for 2 people. Good luck staying anywhere nice in Ireland for a week at that price!

Some of us don't feel entitled to holidays and are more than happy to stay at home and keep things low key. Theres nice day trips to do around Ireland like the zoo, Bunratty Castle, and loads of other nice things and places to see. I don't feel hard done by, by cancelling the holiday planned for this summer.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-06-2020 08:51PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Booked a week in Portugal for next month. Worked out at around 800 for 2 people. Good luck staying anywhere nice in Ireland for a week at that price!

Each to their own. You take your own risks.

Portugal is reporting 300 new cases per day and Lisbon is imposing lock down measures.

You'd want to keep your wits about you.

There is a reason for the no foreign travel advice.

mcsean2163 · 22-06-2020 08:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Major study into antibody response was released today.
It shows that many of the commercial antibody tests are missing people who were exposed. The Roche, Abbott, and Euroimmun tests, in particular, seem like serial offenders here. They don't pick up what happens to the T-Cells in the body.

It also shows we are closer to herd immunity than previous antibody tests showed.
Well worth a read.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20132449v1

Wow!

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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