Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Tim Robbins · 22-06-2020 04:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm a severe asthmatic. Scientists believe asthma is not a severe issue for COVID.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/health/coronavirus-asthma-risk.html

Thanks for that. I am completely terrified. Looking at some Covid patients it reminds me of a bad asthma attack as it seems to attack the lungs.

I am not convinced that asthmatics are at lower risk until we have more data. I have no issue with opening the economy, letting kids play but think the guidelines should be clearly so it is safer and there should be more done for vulnerable people and that doesn't just elderly.

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 04:50PM

lbj666 wrote: »

Weekend effect but still great news, averages are eeking their way closer and closer to single digits.

It's been said multiple multiple multiple times, cases don't have a weekend effect. Our labs are 24/7.

Eod100 · 22-06-2020 04:50PM

accensi0n wrote: »

The gov.ie guidelines on easing restrictions seems to say that for anyone who can work from home, should continue to do so if possible, indefinitely, no end date.

Anyone else reading it that way?

I guess if people can and productivity not affected hugely or improved employers might do it into Autumn by choice. Probably decreases people being off work with normal colds and flus.

Means less people are using public transport too. If social distancing is still around for the forseeable future, current capacity couldn't cope with everyone being back even if a lot more will cycle and walk.

Vicxas · 22-06-2020 04:52PM

We'll know tomorrow what the true weekend total was. Mondays are normally very light

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 04:53PM

Vicxas wrote: »

We'll know tomorrow what the true weekend total was. Mondays are normally very light

No they're not.

igCorcaigh · 22-06-2020 04:53PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Great news, but I'm a little confused of how we haven't seen an increase. Is this the seasonability factor playing in?

I'm asking this because, perhaps this lull is not all due to our lockdown and social distancing measures, but a result of warming weather?

I know it's spreading a lot in hotter areas too, but those areas have only seen the virus later, and we know there is a time lag.

OK, don't diss me for being negative

just questions I have.

No body knows of course, but I do welcome this news.

22-06-2020 04:54PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Great news, but I'm a little confused of how we haven't seen an increase. Is this the seasonability factor playing in?

We did not start from 1 case but at least 500 with no controls Over late feb and into March, which is why it got out of control so quickly. Now we still have controls, modified behaviour and a tiny number of cases Which gives it nowhere to go

s1ippy · 22-06-2020 04:56PM

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Thanks for that. I am completely terrified. Looking at some Covid patients it reminds me of a bad asthma attack as it seems to attack the lungs.

I am not convinced that asthmatics are at lower risk until we have more data. I have no issue with opening the economy, letting kids play but think the guidelines should be clearly so it is safer and there should be more done for vulnerable people and that doesn't just elderly.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm a severe asthmatic. Scientists believe asthma is not a severe issue for COVID.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/health/coronavirus-asthma-risk.html

With all due respect and as someone with asthma myself, that is bad advice. You seem well-intended so I presume you're just trying to assuage the poster's concerns, but you're presenting your personal feelings as fact. These feelings are actually contrary to the accepted guidance in this country, whatever about what one journalist in the New York Times says.

https://www.asthma.ie/news/coronavirus-covid-19-advice

1. Am I more at risk of developing complications from coronavirus because of my asthma or COPD?

The HSE has identified groups who are at high-risk of severe illness from COVID-19 (coronavirus), when the virus is circulating in their community. These include:

People (adults and children) with long-term medical conditions including people with cardiac and respiratory conditions
Patients with any condition that can compromise respiratory function

The HSE has stated that ‘protective self-separation’, is recommended for vulnerable groups. This means that you should avoid unnecessary face-to-face social interaction and avoid physical contact with others.

As someone in this vulnerable group, it is extremely important that you manage your respiratory condition as well as possible and you stay as healthy as you can. Please see the section below for advice on how best to manage your asthma/COPD.

People who are older (for example, over 65 years of age), who have weakened immune systems or those who have underlying health conditions are more at risk of severe effects from coronavirus.

2. Am I more at risk of contracting coronavirus because of my asthma or COPD?

The HSE has advised that it does not believe that those in ‘vulnerable’ or ‘high-risk’ groups have a higher risk of contracting coronavirus. But, as indicated in answer 1 above, you may, unfortunately, be at higher risk of serious illness if you do contract coronavirus.

3. How do I know whether my shortness of breath is an exacerbation of my asthma or COPD or due to coronavirus?

The respiratory symptoms associated with COVID-19 are similar to asthma/COPD – shortness of breath, cough.

The symptom which differentiates asthma or COPD from COVID-19 is experiencing a “new” fever. Fever is the symptom that has been most common of any symptom in confirmed cases of COVID-19. The HSE are particularly focusing on any patient who is experiencing a “new” fever or a “new” cough. If you are feeling hot and cold, shivering, and achy bones, you should phone your local GP and alert them to this fact. Your GP and their staff will guide you through what happens next – you will likely be tested for the virus and be requested to self-isolate until the results come back. The healthcare professionals – GPs who will link in with any other necessary specialists – will look after you and will ensure that you have the best treatment to help you in this scenario.

4. What are the symptoms of the virus?

The symptoms of the virus are:

fever (high temperature)
a cough - this can be any kind of cough, not just dry
shortness of breath
breathing difficulties
Other symptoms are fatigue, headaches, sore throat, aches and pains.
5. How will the virus impact on my asthma or COPD?

If you have a long-term respiratory illness or a condition that can compromise respiratory function, it is possible that you may experience more severe symptoms if you contract coronavirus. As a number of the symptoms are respiratory, it is important that you monitor your symptoms carefully, look out for additional symptoms named above, and contact your GP by telephone if you have any concerns. It is very important that you take your medication as advised by your healthcare professional. In the meantime, make sure you are managing your asthma or COPD as well as possible.

I know you'll have your own personal opinions formed about this and your own level of risk acceptance but please don't contradict the actual government advice in order to push your agenda. You'll endanger people's lives.

Seamai · 22-06-2020 04:56PM

Vicxas wrote: »

We'll know tomorrow what the true weekend total was. Mondays are normally very light

That's certainly true in the UK but not here if you check the records.

igCorcaigh · 22-06-2020 04:57PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We did not start from 1 case but at least 500 with no controls Over late feb and into March, which is why it got out of control so quickly. Now we still have controls, modified behaviour and a tiny number of cases Which gives it nowhere to go

Yeah, but we have seen a relaxation of those measures in recent weeks, so I'm wondering if the summer weather also has an effect on the low numbers.

Strazdas · 22-06-2020 04:57PM

Tony's map showing that Ireland is one of the least infected countries in the world at the moment (I think Norway, Iceland and Finland are the others in Europe).

lbj666 · 22-06-2020 04:58PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's been said multiple multiple multiple times, cases don't have a weekend effect. Our labs are 24/7.

I am not trying to piss on the numbers at all, but TH has allused to it due to people waiting for the GP til mondays.

Anyway 7 day averages are at lowest since the day the schools shut.

Arghus · 22-06-2020 04:58PM

Great to see such low numbers.

22-06-2020 04:58PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Yeah, but we have seen a relaxation of those measures in recent weeks, so I'm wondering if the summer weather also has an effect on the low numbers.

Is possible

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 04:59PM

s1ippy wrote: »

With all due respect and as someone with asthma myself, that is bad advice.

https://www.asthma.ie/news/coronavirus-covid-19-advice

1. Am I more at risk of developing complications from coronavirus because of my asthma or COPD?

The HSE has identified groups who are at high-risk of severe illness from COVID-19 (coronavirus), when the virus is circulating in their community. These include:

People (adults and children) with long-term medical conditions including people with cardiac and respiratory conditions
Patients with any condition that can compromise respiratory function

The HSE has stated that ‘protective self-separation’, is recommended for vulnerable groups. This means that you should avoid unnecessary face-to-face social interaction and avoid physical contact with others.

As someone in this vulnerable group, it is extremely important that you manage your respiratory condition as well as possible and you stay as healthy as you can. Please see the section below for advice on how best to manage your asthma/COPD.

People who are older (for example, over 65 years of age), who have weakened immune systems or those who have underlying health conditions are more at risk of severe effects from coronavirus.

2. Am I more at risk of contracting coronavirus because of my asthma or COPD?

The HSE has advised that it does not believe that those in ‘vulnerable’ or ‘high-risk’ groups have a higher risk of contracting coronavirus. But, as indicated in answer 1 above, you may, unfortunately, be at higher risk of serious illness if you do contract coronavirus.

3. How do I know whether my shortness of breath is an exacerbation of my asthma or COPD or due to coronavirus?

The respiratory symptoms associated with COVID-19 are similar to asthma/COPD – shortness of breath, cough.

The symptom which differentiates asthma or COPD from COVID-19 is experiencing a “new” fever. Fever is the symptom that has been most common of any symptom in confirmed cases of COVID-19. The HSE are particularly focusing on any patient who is experiencing a “new” fever or a “new” cough. If you are feeling hot and cold, shivering, and achy bones, you should phone your local GP and alert them to this fact. Your GP and their staff will guide you through what happens next – you will likely be tested for the virus and be requested to self-isolate until the results come back. The healthcare professionals – GPs who will link in with any other necessary specialists – will look after you and will ensure that you have the best treatment to help you in this scenario.

4. What are the symptoms of the virus?

The symptoms of the virus are:

fever (high temperature)
a cough - this can be any kind of cough, not just dry
shortness of breath
breathing difficulties
Other symptoms are fatigue, headaches, sore throat, aches and pains.
5. How will the virus impact on my asthma or COPD?

If you have a long-term respiratory illness or a condition that can compromise respiratory function, it is possible that you may experience more severe symptoms if you contract coronavirus. As a number of the symptoms are respiratory, it is important that you monitor your symptoms carefully, look out for additional symptoms named above, and contact your GP by telephone if you have any concerns. It is very important that you take your medication as advised by your healthcare professional. In the meantime, make sure you are managing your asthma or COPD as well as possible.

I know you'll have your own personal opinions formed about this and your own level of risk acceptance but please don't contradict the actual government advice in order to push your agenda. You'll endanger people's lives.

It's becoming commonly reported that asthma is not a risk factor. You shiuldn't accuse me of pushing my own agenda.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-asthma-isnt-factor-worsening-covid-.html
https://www.prweb.com/releases/asthma_not_associated_with_increased_risk_of_hospitalization_among_covid_19_patients/prweb17202566.htm
https://www.click2houston.com/health/2020/05/27/why-data-shows-asthma-patients-are-not-suffering-from-severe-complications-of-coronavirus/

Seamai · 22-06-2020 05:00PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

4 new cases

Hopefully the will start to see some days with no new cases pretty soon.

wadacrack · 22-06-2020 05:00PM

Think we are going to far much better going forward. Have alot of factors in our favor. Small population and the resources to test trace and isolate effectively. The data shows that the vast majority of the population have been vigilant with the virus. Still not loads of people gathering in risky behavior for transmission. With a tracing app on the way I think we can keep the virus suppressed at a low level.

lbj666 · 22-06-2020 05:00PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Yeah, but we have seen a relaxation of those measures in recent weeks, so I'm wondering if the summer weather also has an effect on the low numbers.

Only cause would be we are doing our socialising outside, the strain(s) have yet to show any seasonal weakening

Tim Robbins · 22-06-2020 05:02PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I know you'll have your own personal opinions formed about this and your own level of risk acceptance but please don't contradict the actual government advice in order to push your agenda. You'll endanger people's lives.

Yep. Pretty freaked out. It is difficult enough to breath with a normal chest infection and attack. Certainly don't like the thoughts of that thing. I appreciate the steps the government and local government have done for over 70s, little things like some shops reserve time for them or public parks for them.

However, would be great if this could be extended to others who are also vulnerable.

Micky 32 · 22-06-2020 05:02PM

lbj666 wrote: »

I am not trying to piss on the numbers at all, but TH has allused to it due to people waiting for the GP til mondays.

Anyway 7 day averages are at lowest since the day the schools shut.

If you compare other Mondays you can see the trend, for example Monday May 4th we had 266 cases.

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 05:02PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's becoming commonly reported that asthma is not a risk factor. You shiuldn't accuse me of pushing my own agenda.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-asthma-isnt-factor-worsening-covid-.html
https://www.prweb.com/releases/asthma_not_associated_with_increased_risk_of_hospitalization_among_covid_19_patients/prweb17202566.htm
https://www.click2houston.com/health/2020/05/27/why-data-shows-asthma-patients-are-not-suffering-from-severe-complications-of-coronavirus/

Follow up to this:
Lancet journal entry from China shows an incredibly low amount of hospitalised asthmatics.
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2213-2600%2820%2930167-3

Eod100 · 22-06-2020 05:03PM

Seamai wrote: »

Hopefully the will start to see some days with no new cases pretty soon.

I think it's 28 days of no new cases for virus to be considered 'eliminated.' Would be great if this happened but think once travel resumes more will be very difficult if not impossible to prevent imported cases so may be a low level of cases for another while. That said once we can stay on top of them should mean there's no need for full restrictions.

stephenjmcd · 22-06-2020 05:06PM

RTE main headline on the 6.1 news about covid accelerating, no wonder some people are paranoid when we've 4 new cases.

An Ciarraioch · 22-06-2020 05:07PM

Dublin +4

Laois +1

Wicklow +1

Jim_Hodge · 22-06-2020 05:08PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

RTE main headline on the 6.1 news about covid accelerating, no wonder some people are paranoid when we've 4 new cases.

Ok, let's look at what they actually reported. Our numbers are low but global the number of new cases has never been higher. The report on numbers accelerating was very clear and specific about where that growth is. What exactly did you want them to say?

Micky 32 · 22-06-2020 05:09PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

RTE main headline on the 6.1 news about covid accelerating, no wonder some people are paranoid when we've 4 new cases.

They try to make it sound globally when a big chunk 50k plus is in one country, Brazil etc

ShyMets · 22-06-2020 05:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Follow up to this:
Lancet journal entry from China shows an incredibly low amount of hospitalised asthmatics.
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2213-2600%2820%2930167-3

I wonder if thats anything to do with dexamethasone. I believe thats a common component of asthmatic inhalers

Jim_Hodge · 22-06-2020 05:09PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Dublin +4

Laois +1

Wicklow +1

= 4 ??

Widdensushi · 22-06-2020 05:10PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I think it's 28 days of no new cases for virus to be considered 'eliminated.' Would be great if this happened but think once travel resumes more will be very difficult if not impossible to prevent imported cases so may be a low level of cases for another while. That said once we can stay on top of them should mean there's no need for full restrictions.

Not achievable, I was in my local supermarket and there were 4 cyclists in there, speaking French to each other and walking around, I presume they had a camper van somewhere, elimination not possible with open borders

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 05:12PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

= 4 ??

= 6. Yesterday.

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Comments