Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Hector Savage · 22-06-2020 03:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm guessing it would take significant community transmission for it to show up in waste water. It has 100% been in Europe (And Ireland for that matter) for longer than we think.

it looks like that, but why all the deaths just spiked from late February ?

MerlinSouthDub · 22-06-2020 03:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're after outsmarting NPHET if this works out!!

Ha ha. I'll probably be way off! We'll see later on

22-06-2020 03:49PM

ricero wrote: »

The news from America, Brazil and South Korea especially is worrying.

Leo and the government need to get tough and close the borders for a few weeks or we to will be hit with a second wave before the end of the summer.

There is no worrying news from South Korea, yet anyway,. 7 Day average of 46 cases per and 17 today in a country of 50 million people is not a worry

igCorcaigh · 22-06-2020 03:54PM

Not sure what long term means here, but recovery seems like a long road for some.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1275092416912121857?s=19

What Username Guidelines · 22-06-2020 03:57PM

hmmm wrote: »

Exactly - it's quite a big finding.

It also shows how the panic to impose travel bans was a waste of time.

Would also make you wonder how or why it never built in New Zealand. Their interventions were considered 'early' but if it's been around since late 2019 it's interesting that it didn't take grip there at all. Firmly believe it's been around longer, just find the NZ thing curious.

Non solum non ambulabit · 22-06-2020 04:00PM

s1ippy wrote: »

The number of *known active cases which have been diagnosed.

This does not account for asymptomatic spread

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/at-risk-groups-in-ireland-testing-positive-for-covid-19-almost-triple-rate-of-general-public-1005845.html

Until we have a testing regime which checks representative samples of the population, we will not be able to get an accurate idea of how many cases there are.

Although there is evidence that 80% of cases are mild or asymptomatic, so you can assume safely enough that there are at least 890 additional cases walking around not knowing that they have the virus, as well as the ones you mentioned.

I knew I'd get this kind of response. I said based on testing. That's the only number we have. Take it up with CMO if you are not happy.

What Username Guidelines · 22-06-2020 04:02PM

Italy reporting 218 cases, 23 deaths and 127 in intensive care. The latter two numbers are 'impressive', especially ICU considering there are 20k+ active cases.

owlbethere · 22-06-2020 04:06PM

ricero wrote: »

The news from America, Brazil and South Korea especially is worrying.

Leo and the government need to get tough and close the borders for a few weeks or we to will be hit with a second wave before the end of the summer.

Hopefully there will be a new election.l as soon as possible because they really don't have what it takes to help us with this. They had months to help us eg the Italian flights and they never helped us with that. It was cead Mille Failte with the Italians and the people coming back from Cheltenham and the same will happen again with the Americans.

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 04:07PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Italy reporting 218 cases, 23 deaths and 127 in intensive care. The latter two numbers are 'impressive', especially ICU considering there are 20k+ active cases.

The death figures in certain countries are confusing me at the moment. Seem to be decreasing significantly. I wonder if treatments are beginning to work?

thelad95 · 22-06-2020 04:12PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The death figures in certain countries are confusing me at the moment. Seem to be decreasing significantly. I wonder if treatments are beginning to work?

The sceptic in me wonders why these decreases coincidence with easing of restrictions

Rob A. Bank · 22-06-2020 04:13PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm guessing it would take significant community transmission for it to show up in waste water. It has 100% been in Europe (And Ireland for that matter) for longer than we think.

Evidence suggests that sewage surveillance is probably a sensitive tool for detecting the virus. One reported case in Holland caused virus fragments to be detected in the wastewater in that city. So you don't need 'significant community transmission' to get a positive in wastewater.

"In the Netherlands, sewage epidemiologists acted ahead of the COVID-19 outbreak there and took samples from seven cities and a major airport in February and March.

While they found no detectable virus three weeks before the first COVID-19 case was detected, by March 5 - barely a week after the first case was confirmed there - they were able to detect virus fragments.

“The detection of the virus in sewage, even when the COVID-19 prevalence is low, indicates that sewage surveillance could be a sensitive tool to monitor the circulation of the virus,” the researchers wrote in a paper posted online on MedRxiv."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sewage/how-sewer-science-could-ease-testing-pressure-and-track-covid-19-idUSKBN22Q2I8

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 04:17PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Evidence suggests that sewage surveillance is probably a sensitive tool for detecting the virus. One reported case in Holland caused virus fragments to be detected in the wastewater in that city. So you don't need 'significant community transmission' to get a positive in wastewater.

"In the Netherlands, sewage epidemiologists acted ahead of the COVID-19 outbreak there and took samples from seven cities and a major airport in February and March.

While they found no detectable virus three weeks before the first COVID-19 case was detected, by March 5 - barely a week after the first case was confirmed there - they were able to detect virus fragments.

“The detection of the virus in sewage, even when the COVID-19 prevalence is low, indicates that sewage surveillance could be a sensitive tool to monitor the circulation of the virus,” the researchers wrote in a paper posted online on MedRxiv."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sewage/how-sewer-science-could-ease-testing-pressure-and-track-covid-19-idUSKBN22Q2I8

Touché. Still suggests some sort of prevelance though, which is the most important part. Two different cities showed it being there on December 18th, which means some sort of spread must have taken place.

speckle · 22-06-2020 04:31PM

hmmm wrote: »

Exactly - it's quite a big finding.

It also shows how the panic to impose travel bans was a waste of time.

It was rna fragments. Dont thing they have been sequenced (unless anyone has a link) so how do they specifically know they came from this sars covid. As it shares sequences from other viruses?
Could the samples have been cross contaimenated? They did collect other samples which were negative. Would love to know map wise exactly what parts of the towns/city/areas the came from and whether these included the very early cases.
Samples checked originally for infuenza were rechecked and a tiny tiny fraction were positive in December. We need China do do the same with independant verication. Suspose we will have to wait a bit longer before jumping to conclusions.
Edit:thanks Rob A. Bank^

owlbethere · 22-06-2020 04:32PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Not sure what long term means here, but recovery seems like a long road for some.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1275092416912121857?s=19

I'm googled this. I don't have any time right now to read up on it further. The virus enters the cells in the body through ACE2 receptors. These are found in the lungs. There's also a higher amount of them in fat.

Maybe the virus is hiding out in fat cells. Ryan Tubridy got a mild dose of the virus and there isn't a peck of fat on him.

Widdensushi · 22-06-2020 04:33PM

Strumms wrote: »

That can happen, but there is too much shîtty and careless behaviors evident that we can just automatically jump to that defense. It’s almost we are trying too hard to excuse people...

75 isnt crazy old nowadays, not old enough NOT to know and be aware...

We are almost in a situation where we are searching for excuses for people... ahhh because...

They are elderly

They are stressed

#mentalhealmentalhealthmentalhealth

They are young

They need to see people..

Fûck them, they need to cop on and be team players. NO HALL PASSES.

We all need to change our behaviour to fight the disease to protect the older people who we then need to lock up?

An Ciarraioch · 22-06-2020 04:36PM

Seems the HSE tracing app will go live this week:

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/technology-53137816?__twitter_impression=true

22-06-2020 04:36PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Hopefully there will be a new election.l as soon as possible because they really don't have what it takes to help us with this. They had months to help us eg the Italian flights and they never helped us with that. It was cead Mille Failte with the Italians and the people coming back from Cheltenham and the same will happen again with the Americans.

Shouldn’t be politically difficult nor sensitive to keep borders closed to Americans. Their border is still closed, and so reciprocity alone means that we are justified in closing ours (as other EU counties have done)

lukas8888 · 22-06-2020 04:41PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

If someone is able to leave their house on their own with a learning disability and capable of learning to live their life, they can learn to contain their cough and sneeze. How do you know the old man was confused?

God all mighty give it a rest.

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 04:41PM

2 more deaths RIP

4 new cases

Tim Robbins · 22-06-2020 04:42PM

I am deeply skeptical about what is happening.

I am chronic asthmatic. Can keep it under control with medication but I am prone very bad chest infections and very bad attacks when it is not under control and this Covid thing freaks me out.

I do not think the government have done enough for vulnerable here and sort have let it up -> make your own decisions lads. The Asthma Society have also been pretty useless. Don't really think they do anything TBH.

I get the entire open up the economy and I get kids need to play with their mates but still completely freaked. Right now, I'd prefer to move to New Zealand.

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 04:43PM

Tim Robbins wrote: »

I am deeply skeptical about what is happening.

I am chronic asthmatic. Can keep it under control with medication but I am prone very bad chest infections and very bad attacks when it is not under control and this Covid thing freaks me out.

I do not thing the government have done enough for vulnerable here and sort have let it up -> make your own decisions.

I get the entire open up the economy and I get kids need to play with their mates but still completely freaked. Right now, I'd prefer to move to New Zealand.

I'm a severe asthmatic. Scientists believe asthma is not a severe issue for COVID.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/health/coronavirus-asthma-risk.html

What Username Guidelines · 22-06-2020 04:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

2 more deaths RIP

4 new cases

Four cases. Incredible.

An Ciarraioch · 22-06-2020 04:44PM

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1275106738908344326

accensi0n · 22-06-2020 04:44PM

The gov.ie guidelines on easing restrictions seems to say that for anyone who can work from home, should continue to do so if possible, indefinitely, no end date.

Anyone else reading it that way?

Benimar · 22-06-2020 04:45PM

accensi0n wrote: »

The gov.ie guidelines on easing restrictions seems to say that for anyone who can work from home, should continue to do so if possible, indefinitely, no end date.

Anyone else reading it that way?

That’s my reading of it too

igCorcaigh · 22-06-2020 04:46PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Four cases. Incredible.

Great news, but I'm a little confused of how we haven't seen an increase. Is this the seasonability factor playing in?

ninebeanrows · 22-06-2020 04:47PM

Get the pubs open now. Stop this madness

stephenjmcd · 22-06-2020 04:47PM

accensi0n wrote: »

The gov.ie guidelines on easing restrictions seems to say that for anyone who can work from home, should continue to do so if possible, indefinitely, no end date.

Anyone else reading it that way?

It'll be an option in my work, looks like 30% of staff in from 20th July as a phased reintroduction to the office.

In saying that theres a few of us in most days at the moment anyway to do tasks that can't be carried out remotely

What Username Guidelines · 22-06-2020 04:48PM

accensi0n wrote: »

The gov.ie guidelines on easing restrictions seems to say that for anyone who can work from home, should continue to do so if possible, indefinitely, no end date.

Anyone else reading it that way?

Yeah, I'm working from home. It's a bit of a pain without childcare, but it makes sense. They'll put priority on getting people back to work who cannot work from home, and trying various other things to see how they work. Working from home has very little impact overall, maybe the biggest is less footfall for businesses who rely on nearby offices. But the benefits far outweigh this - less demand for public transport, less people out and about, offices which usually have 1,000+ people in them are not filled and a risk for transmission – all still while we're at home and still paying income tax.

lbj666 · 22-06-2020 04:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

2 more deaths RIP

4 new cases

Weekend effect but still great news, averages are eeking their way closer and closer to single digits.

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