Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

owlbethere · 22-06-2020 09:21AM

Passed someone in the shop over the weekend who was coughing into the open. Like what the fcuk is wrong with some people?

Boggles · 22-06-2020 09:22AM

is_that_so wrote: »

it brings us into that area of the cure being many times worse than the disease.

Sounds familiar.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1241935285916782593

Nearly half of US states are reporting a rise in new coronavirus cases

is_that_so · 22-06-2020 09:25AM

Boggles wrote: »

Sounds familiar.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1241935285916782593

Nearly half of US states are reporting a rise in new coronavirus cases

US have screwed up, predictably so. All about the balance of actions and that's what we're doing.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-06-2020 09:25AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Because 50,000 jobs+. There has to be a balance.

The warnings and evidence is there from around the world regarding gatherings in enclosed places.

I agree there has to be balance obviously but the worst venues imaginable short of nightclubs are Irish pubs for this thing.

If outbreaks occur in pubs those jobs are gone anyway so I don't know what the answer is.

is_that_so · 22-06-2020 09:26AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The warnings and evidence is there from around the world regarding gatherings in enclosed places.

I agree there has to be balance obviously but the worst venues imaginable are Irish pubs for this thing.

If outbreaks occur in pubs those jobs are gone anyway so I don't know what the answer is.

But we will be able to deal with it better, hopefully like South Korea.

22-06-2020 09:29AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It really isn't.

Another post saying they witnessed someone coughing into their hands in the shop and went about touching things with their dirty hands. Absolutely disgusting behaviour.

I see more kids in shops now, kids are filthy, dirty hands on them and touching things as well.

Just because we have low numbers, doesn't mean the virus is gone. And I'm sure there's people who won't get tested either.

Wiping shopping and letting things sit for a few days is far from irrational in the middle of a pandemic.

Leaving your food for 3 days after you buy it is irrational. If the virus was that excessively contagious, to the point where enough of it would sit on the meat you bought several days ago, then transfer onto the hand you used to pick it up, then at a later point onto your face from your hand, we'd all bloody have it by now.

Boggles · 22-06-2020 09:29AM

is_that_so wrote: »

But we will be able to deal with it better, hopefully like South Korea.

:pac:

Hurrache · 22-06-2020 09:29AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I see more kids in shops now, kids are filthy, dirty hands on them and touching things as well.

Kids aren't the issue, adults are. I was behind one particular one in a queue recently who was paying by cash. She had a tenner rolled up in her hand and was rubbing it around her mouth.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-06-2020 09:31AM

is_that_so wrote: »

But we will be able to deal with it better, hopefully like South Korea.

I admire your optimism :pac:

hmmm · 22-06-2020 09:35AM

AdamD wrote: »

Leaving your food for 3 days after you buy it is irrational. If the virus was that excessively contagious, to the point where enough of it would sit on the meat you bought several days ago, then transfer onto the hand you used to pick it up, then at a later point onto your face from your hand, we'd all bloody have it by now.

If the OP as they say is immuno-compromised, and it costs them nothing, so what? If I was in their position I'd also be taking as many reasonable precautions as I could to reduce risk.

The Chinese think they may have imported the virus on either food or packaging. The risk might be very low, but it is not zero, so if you can leave stuff sitting there for a few days without causing any hassle why not do it? It's what we do with most of our groceries, no big deal to leave the non-fridge stuff sitting there for a day or two before putting it away.

Away With The Fairies · 22-06-2020 09:48AM

AdamD wrote: »

Leaving your food for 3 days after you buy it is irrational. If the virus was that excessively contagious, to the point where enough of it would sit on the meat you bought several days ago, then transfer onto the hand you used to pick it up, then at a later point onto your face from your hand, we'd all bloody have it by now.

Really what the original poster is doing by letting their groceries sit for 3 days isn't hurting anyone. It's not an irrational fear to have when we're told that it can live on packaging for days.

Away With The Fairies · 22-06-2020 09:51AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I admire your optimism :pac:

South Korea has very good tracing. Tracing through phones and through card purchases. Somehow, I doubt Ireland will be that good. Where's that app that was meant to be out in May?

ShyMets · 22-06-2020 10:00AM

I cant believe people are auguring over someone leaving their food out for 3 days.

Personally its something I dont do. But if the person does this, then so what. They are merely trying to reduce there risk of contracting the virus

Rob A. Bank · 22-06-2020 10:01AM

A recent Chinese study published in the BMJ investigated whether appropriate personal protective equipment can protect frontline healthcare professionals who are exposed to SARS-CoV-2 infection. Despite a high risk of exposure, no evidence was found of infection in any of the 420 participants as shown by negative test results for nucleic acids and specific IgM or IgG antibodies.

Contrast that with the Irish experience... healthcare workers make up a third of all COVID positive cases in Ireland. Nurses make up a third of those – the largest single group of workers infected. As of May 30th, seven healthcare workers have died from the virus, 1,515 (19%) have recovered, and 4,823 are still ill (60%). 20% of cases have a currently unknown status.

According to HPSC figures up until May 30th
- 88% got the virus in a healthcare setting as staff
- 4% from contact with a confirmed case
- 3% from travel
- 3% from community transmission
- 1% from a healthcare setting as patients.

This must raise serious questions about the adequacy of the Personal Protective Equipment provided by the HSE to our health care workers. They are not after all the types who go round licking handrails.

Below is a video on a Chinese health care worker donning her PPE. According to the BMJ article they wear the 'Medical Suit' and also a gown in the ICU and on the regular wards where contact with Covid is a possibility, using a powered air purifying respirators for the most dangerous situations. Not one square cm of skin is uncovered and there is a double or triple layer of PPE all over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HsGqQCLzLU

This level seems to be the price you have to pay in order to protect your health workers from this nasty virus... and we are obviously not doing it.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-06-2020 10:05AM

Less testing is clearly the answer here

https://twitter.com/FluffLingering/status/1274929072628363264

Biggly

Widdensushi · 22-06-2020 10:06AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Really what the original poster is doing by letting their groceries sit for 3 days isn't hurting anyone. It's not an irrational fear to have when we're told that it can live on packaging for days.

You can also be knocked down by a car, you don't lock yourself in the house because of it though, how many cases were transmitted that way? If it was that infectious in that form one shop employee would have infected whole towns, one meat factory worker whole counties.

Dante7 · 22-06-2020 10:14AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Really what the original poster is doing by letting their groceries sit for 3 days isn't hurting anyone. It's not an irrational fear to have when we're told that it can live on packaging for days.

I don't see the point in trying to survive the virus if it means living your life like this.

Seamai · 22-06-2020 10:14AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Kids aren't the issue, adults are. I was behind one particular one in a queue recently who was paying by cash. She had a tenner rolled up in her hand and was rubbing it around her mouth.

Filthy bítch, I'd say she's riddled.

Boggles · 22-06-2020 10:15AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

You can also be knocked down by a car, you don't lock yourself in the house because of it though,

No. You mitigate, walk on the footpath, use traffic crossing, wear high vis, etc.

I do love false equivalency.

If someone wants to clean their shopping who gives a flying fúck, the amount of faecal matter on them alone would probably warrant it, global pandemic aside.

firemansam4 · 22-06-2020 10:16AM

So it seems boy racers are exempt from any social distancing or restrictions and every thing is fair game for them...

This years Donegal rally has been cancelled due to the pandemic but that didn't stop the droves of idiots descending on the town of Letterkenny again this year again.
Drawing Garda resources to stop diffing in various areas.

I drove through the town yesterday and they were everywhere in massive crowds and gatherings.
Donegal of late has been doing really well lately with barely any cases being reported, everyone trying to comply with the restrictions, businesses closed for months. And these idiots come up to stick there finger up at everyone..

Eod100 · 22-06-2020 10:17AM

Prof Sam McConkley on RTE Radio 1 saying there could be targeted restrictions for specific towns say if there is serious spike. Doesn't think enough people are wearing face coverings. And concerned about people travelling from areas where prevalence is worse than here

Away With The Fairies · 22-06-2020 10:23AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

You can also be knocked down by a car, you don't lock yourself in the house because of it though, how many cases were transmitted that way? If it was that infectious in that form one shop employee would have infected whole towns, one meat factory worker whole counties.

You walk on the footpaths and use pedestrian crossings, so less chance of being knocked down by a car.

We were told it lives on packaging for days, who gives a flying fcuk what someone does with their shopping when they get it home. Clearly alot of posters here care to be telling someone they're irrational.

Boggles · 22-06-2020 10:26AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Prof Sam McConkley on RTE Radio 1 saying there could be targeted restrictions for specific towns say if there is serious spike. Doesn't think enough people are wearing face coverings. And concerned about people travelling from areas where prevalence is worse than here

Completely unworkable in reality though. The higher infection rates will appear in towns and cities with more people, do we quarantine Dublin or Cork if it spikes there?

If the pubs are closed in one town and open in the town over, I think we all know what will happen.

The Germans tried to quarantine apartment blocks at the weekend it caused a full scale riot.

Eod100 · 22-06-2020 10:30AM

Boggles wrote: »

Completely unworkable in reality though. The higher infection rates will appear in towns and cities with more people, do we quarantine Dublin or Cork if it spikes there?

If the pubs are closed in one town and open in the town over, I think we all know what will happen.

The Germans tried to quarantine apartment blocks at the weekend it caused a full scale riot.

Well yeah he acknowledged it would only work with people voluntarily complying. Guess it's hard enough for whole country to follow them so if only specific places had to while others didn't not sure how well it would work either

Micky 32 · 22-06-2020 10:32AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I admire your optimism :pac:

So what’s your solution, what should we do and for how long?

Drumpot · 22-06-2020 10:51AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

So what’s your solution, what should we do and for how long?

I’d be happy right now if there was mandatory mask wearing and mandatory app for contact tracing.

The absolute idiocy of the society of western democracy’s is just mind boggling. We have done so much right to get back from such a bad place and now we are going head first into making the same mistakes because of a flawed idea that economies need to get back to normal. No they don’t, they need to adapt and accept we are not in control here.

But no “freedom” and “doing what the hell I want” appears to be the over riding strategy. Fortunately for the planet, nature doesn’t care about what people want and the biological capacity of a virus to infect people doesn’t change just because people think they know more they do about it. I really think a lot of people don’t realise we aren’t in control of this planet, we only like to think we are!

What is sickening is that we can take simple steps (masks and app) to allow us a much greater chance of some sort of normalcy during the pandemic but we choose complacency....

CptMackey · 22-06-2020 11:03AM

Drumpot wrote: »

I’d be happy right now if there was mandatory mask wearing and mandatory app for contact tracing.

The absolute idiocy of the society of western democracy’s is just mind boggling. We have done so much right to get back from such a bad place and now we are going head first into making the same mistakes because of a flawed idea that economies need to get back to normal. No they don’t, they need to adapt and accept we are not in control here.

But no “freedom” and “doing what the hell I want” appears to be the over riding strategy. Fortunately for the planet, nature doesn’t care about what people want and the biological capacity of a virus to infect people doesn’t change just because people think they know more they do about it. I really think a lot of people don’t realise we aren’t in control of this planet, we only like to think we are!

What is sickening is that we can take simple steps (masks and app) to allow us a much greater chance of some sort of normalcy during the pandemic but we choose complacency....

Ya I'd agree with that. Have been wearing a mask out n about since this started. The app should be mandatory, would help contact tracing no end. Might even help us get through this a bit quicker if we all did the above

never_mind · 22-06-2020 11:10AM

Boggles wrote: »

No. You mitigate, walk on the footpath, use traffic crossing, wear high vis, etc.

I do love false equivalency.

If someone wants to clean their shopping who gives a flying fúck, the amount of faecal matter on them alone would probably warrant it, global pandemic aside.

https://www.safefood.eu/Food-Safety/Groceries-and-COVID-19.aspx

It's unnecessary.

CB19Kevo · 22-06-2020 11:11AM

Its not looking good internationally for those who have lifted restrictions..
Whilst i think we should continue to ease based on the case downward trend maybe we should.
- Further encourage mask usage.
- Temp checks in restaurants and such.
- Enforce quarantine on those entering the country....

If this reemerges we are in big trouble, the healthcare system has not suddenly been cured of decades of under resourcing/mismanagement & our economy is in dire need of staying open....

Hector Savage · 22-06-2020 11:12AM

[QUOTE=Rob A. Bank;113807473

The Irish branch of the Trump and Bolsonaro admiration society lúdramáns seem to have sunk to a new low.

:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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