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Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,440 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    Based on what?

    Horoscopes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭Polar101


    owlbethere wrote: »
    With the infection in meat plants, I would be very wary buying cold meats like ham slices, just in case there's virus on the meat. I wouldnt be as paranoid about meat to cook. Just cold meat slices.

    Why cold meat slices?

    It's a bit like the Chinese coming up with excuses for their newest outbreak and blaming foreign salmon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,443 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Think we need to start testing people on entry if travel resumes from US and Brazil say. I don't think requesting people to self-isolate is going to cut it.


    https://apnews.com/144ec47b53e8637a8b7c232e64a44e01?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 242 ✭✭Flickerfusion


    To be fair to the food sector in Ireland and Europe, normally the processing systems are probably far more hygienic and systematically so than even the best cleaned hospitals. I would suspect the likelihood of food borne coronavirus, especially in industrially scale production, is slim to zero.

    Why you're getting transmission in the meat packing / processing sector is another question. I am wondering about low ages and groups of of people living in housing together, rather than transmission in the factories themselves.

    There were similar issues in the healthcare sector, more so with nursing homes.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    In March we had at least 500 cases arrive here unknown from all over Europe and beyond and position themselves randomly all over the country with absolutely no knowledge in the community about the risks. It took weeks to get on top on testing, where a large proportion of people with symptoms, or who were close contacts were not even able to get tested. Today we have isolated 6 new cases, and have the ability to identify all contacts in little over 24 hours, and test everyone who needs it. There is widespread awareness meaning the number of potential untraceable contacts of an index case is tiny. That’s why today is so different.

    And Germany, the volatile r0 is a function of low Overall case numbers and known outbreaks, not widespread transmission. We will see the same here at some point, but in all probability when that happens it will be a blip, just like you will probably see with German numbers over the coming few days.

    How can you call it a blip when there's no enforced quarantine for arrivals into the country? We are allowing people to roam free coming off the planes again All they have to is fill in a form. It's very relaxed attitude and only asking for trouble. That's not a blip.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,843 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    How can you call it a blip when there's no enforced quarantine for arrivals into the country? We are allowing people to roam free coming off the planes again All they have to is fill in a form. It's very relaxed attitude and only asking for trouble. That's not a blip.

    It's the new normal, we have to learn to deal with it, closing the country long-term is not an option


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,892 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    How can you call it a blip when there's no enforced quarantine for arrivals into the country? We are allowing people to roam free coming off the planes again All they have to is fill in a form. It's very relaxed attitude and only asking for trouble. That's not a blip.

    Stay at home . You will be grand


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    It's the new normal, we have to learn to deal with it, closing the country long-term is not an option

    We don't have to close the country. We need enforced quarantine and not invite people over with such relaxed attitude towards all this.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Stay at home . You will be grand

    I'd really like other people to stay at home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Should be lower really, less people to spread it and far less travelling

    Spanish flu was carried by soldiers traveling. There are assumptions in your statement which can refuted for earlier cases too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Think we need to start testing people on entry if travel resumes from US and Brazil say. I don't think requesting people to self-isolate is going to cut it.


    https://apnews.com/144ec47b53e8637a8b7c232e64a44e01?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

    I'd say test all inbound travelers for covid-19. RT-PCR test to confirm. It is probably the best way to keep things in control.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 242 ✭✭Flickerfusion


    Renjit wrote: »
    I'd say test all inbound travelers for covid-19. RT-PCR test to confirm. It is probably the best way to keep things in control.

    We could test in-bound travellers from high risk destinations, as they will mostly be long haul flights (assuming the UK manages to get its house in order in the next couple of weeks).

    I could see a big issue with the US the way things are going and for anyone coming in on flights from Brazil etc, including returning Irish people.

    It could simply be included in ticket costs and processed quite rapidly if we have the right tech.

    The aim should be to minimise risks, but not close the place down in so doing and there are ways of doing that.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Renjit wrote: »
    I'd say test all inbound travelers for covid-19. RT-PCR test to confirm. It is probably the best way to keep things in control.

    Test and quarantine. Who's managing the NPHET? They're doing an awful job if they are allowing such relaxed attitude to arrivals.


  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We could test in-bound travellers from high risk destinations, as they will mostly be long haul flights (assuming the UK manages to get its house in order in the next couple of weeks).

    I could see a big issue with the US the way things are going and for anyone coming in on flights from Brazil etc

    It could simply be included in ticket costs and processed quite rapidly if we have the right tech.

    The aim should be to minimise risks, but not close the place down in so doing and there are ways of doing that.

    You cannot fly direct from Ireland from most hogh risk areas (except the US). So any solution has to be at EU level. Testing or quarantine at the point of entry into the EU, and then free movement within the EU thereafter. It doesn’t seem like it would be beyond the wit of the EU to set this up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,843 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Renjit wrote: »
    Spanish flu was carried by soldiers traveling. There are assumptions in your statement which can refuted for earlier cases too.

    How long did travel take?, it was very different than now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Great that there's no deaths today


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,702 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Test and quarantine. Who's managing the NPHET? They're doing an awful job if they are allowing such relaxed attitude to arrivals.

    NPHET only give recommendations,its up to the government to implement them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    How long did travel take?, it was very different than now.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2862337/
    Influenza sailed with American troops across the Atlantic and when it exploded in late August and September in Europe and the United States, medical officers found themselves on the front lines of an epidemic worse than any of them had ever seen or imagined. Many were among the most knowledgeable and skilled physicians in the country and had just recently entered military service. They did their best to save those stricken by influenza, but could do little more than provide palliative care of warmth, rest, and a gentle diet, and hope that their patients did not develop pneumonia.

    One of the tragedies of the influenza epidemic is that by the 1910s, the medical profession held many of the scientific and epidemiological tools to understand the nature and extent of the damage influenza and pneumonia were wreaking on their patients, but lacked the tools to effectively fight them. While virology would not emerge until the 1930s, physicians could identify many of the bacteria causing the deadly pneumonias that were killing their patients, but without antibiotics they could do little to fight the infections. Thus, as the epidemic struck their camps, hospitals, ships, ports, or divisions, many medical officers documented what they saw, as if trying to define that which they could not control. They ran tests and did autopsies, recorded their laboratory and clinical findings, compared morbidity and mortality rates across time and with other units, and tried to stay healthy themselves. They wrote detailed reports to their superiors and published myriad articles on the influenza of 1918–1919. These studies and reports would provide some of the most extensive documentation on the pandemic, informing civilian and military researchers alike as they struggled for years after the war to understand what had caused the epidemic and its widespread suffering.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Renjit wrote: »
    Aren't we facing a problem with antibiotic resistance? How will bacterial infections be managed in the future with antibiotic resistance? I know antibiotics and antibiotic resistance is a different matter but still, will that be another pandemic for us?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Renjit wrote:
    I'd say test all inbound travelers for covid-19. RT-PCR test to confirm. It is probably the best way to keep things in control.
    We could test in-bound travellers from high risk destinations, as they will mostly be long haul flights (assuming the UK manages to get its house in order in the next couple of weeks).
    Test and quarantine. Who's managing the NPHET? They're doing an awful job if they are allowing such relaxed attitude to arrivals.
    Testing all in bound travellers means setting up another completely new service.

    Our laboratories have worked tirelessly to bring capacity up to 15,000 tests a day, that's nationally. How many people will pour into Ireland when normal travel returns.

    As most travellers would be coming into Dublin, all Dublin labs would be swamped with covid samples, never mind their already increasing workload.

    "Oh we'll just test everyone".
    Who do you think will provide the service?!
    Our laboratories cannot continue to do more with less.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭amor3


    How can there still be 48 active cases from the princess diamond cruise ship? Can it really go on that long in your body?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    amor3 wrote: »
    How can there still be 48 active cases from the princess diamond cruise ship? Can it really go on that long in your body?

    From what I see, it can be like malaria where it can go on for months. Then there are other people who get over it quickly and easily. No one knows what way your body is going to react to the virus if you get it. This virus is best avoided.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    amor3 wrote: »
    How can there still be 48 active cases from the princess diamond cruise ship? Can it really go on that long in your body?

    Most likely not followed up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    HSE Daily Operations Update.

    42 in hospital, increase of 1.

    16 in ICU, decrease of 1 with no deaths last 24 hours.
    9 ventilations, increase of 1.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 242 ✭✭Flickerfusion


    You cannot fly direct from Ireland from most hogh risk areas (except the US). So any solution has to be at EU level. Testing or quarantine at the point of entry into the EU, and then free movement within the EU thereafter. It doesn’t seem like it would be beyond the wit of the EU to set this up

    You can fly into Ireland from the U.K., which is no longer the EU and I would suspect that a high % of Irish Indirect long haul is via Heathrow or Gatwick and the Schengen area checks typically don’t apply to inbound Irish traffic, as it would just pass through transit terminals and be checked on arrival.

    We would be aware of anyone who is coming to Ireland on a single ticket though.

    We are very much on our own when it comes to non-EU citizens, as only our immigration policies apply as we are in the EU but outside any EU common frontier system, due to having opted out of most of Schengen.

    Any arrangements would have to be made with the Schengen area and the U.K.

    We should be able to get data from the Schengen information system although we don’t operate it and would have to look at what’s possible given the unusual circumstances ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Information_System ) but I’m not sure what arrangements we have or potentially could setup with the U.K.

    Mostly we would be able to simply get ticket information though. If you began your flight in Brazil and ended up in Dublin or Cork etc, the airline would know that. If you landed in say the U.K. and then booked a separate flight on say Ryanair, we would have far more difficulty tracking that.

    Also this is nothing to do with immigration or citizenship. A person coming from a highly risky area like Brazil could be Irish or any nationality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭setanta1984


    owlbethere wrote: »
    With the infection in meat plants, I would be very wary buying cold meats like ham slices, just in case there's virus on the meat. I wouldnt be as paranoid about meat to cook. Just cold meat slices.


    We’ve crossed the rubicon here - afraid to eat sliced meat? How are some people even getting up in the morning?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    We’ve crossed the rubicon here - afraid to eat sliced meat? How are some people even getting up in the morning?
    im going on hunger strike in protest against corona, that'll make it go away


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    We haven't eaten anything which hasn't been able to sit for three days or be cooked for min 20 mins before consumption. Bacon is tastier than ham anyway, just cook it up when it arrives and freeze the slices you're not going to eat that few days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,583 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    s1ippy wrote: »
    We haven't eaten anything which hasn't been able to sit for three days or be cooked for min 20 mins before consumption. Bacon is tastier than ham anyway, just cook it up when it arrives and freeze the slices you're not going to eat that few days.

    Ohh crap

    UVE8ogR.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Ohh crap
    How about you have a little respect and explain to S1ppy why you disagree with him?
    A stupid image doesn't cut it.
    Nobody likes a hurler on the ditch. Have the guts to express an opinion sometimes and let it stand on it's own merits.
    You disagree with his post because ...?
    Or you just want to slag him off because he is fair game and you are on safe terrirtory?


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