Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Non solum non ambulabit · 20-06-2020 11:13PM

joeguevara wrote: »

U.K. were gung ho for herd immunity and Cummings was its biggest advocate. They wheeled out ‘experts’ who were polar opposite to every other advice. There is sources say he said ‘if that means some people die so be it’. It became clear that they realised that they had messed up their calculations of projected deaths and did a U turn.

The UK govt inacted a lockdown on the instructions of Cummings. How they got there is irrelevant. Which he then ignored. Hence the outrage.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-28/top-aide-to-u-k-s-johnson-pushed-scientists-to-back-lockdown

Arghus · 20-06-2020 11:33PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

The UK govt inacted a lockdown on the instructions of Cummings. How they got there is irrelevant. Which he then ignored. Hence the outrage.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-28/top-aide-to-u-k-s-johnson-pushed-scientists-to-back-lockdown

I think it creates a false impression to say he was the "architect" of the UK's lockdown.

It'd be fairer to say he went along with it, eventually, and reluctantly - and not after arguing against it. And then subsequently breaking it! To say it was on his instruction isn't true.

Polar101 · 20-06-2020 11:40PM

bloodless_coup wrote: »

Ah lads, you're just making fools of yourselves complaining about a Trump rally while defending mass gatherings at organised protests.

If idiots want to gather indoors to cheer on a moron, let them, but I'm going to think they are idiots even if I look foolish.

NotMOL · 20-06-2020 11:51PM

normanoffside wrote: »

UAE has put us in 'Group A' of low risk countries as well.

Even the likes of Germany and Denmark are in 'Group B'

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2246837/3-uae-citizens-can-travel-low-risk-countries-tuesday/

It would be fantastic if the UAE allow us (everyone in group A) to go there soon for tourism

kippy · 21-06-2020 12:06AM

bloodless_coup wrote: »

Ah lads, you're just making fools of yourselves complaining about a Trump rally while defending mass gatherings at organised protests.

Take a minute, take a break from frothing at the mouth over Trump and Bolsonaro and realise how flawed your logic is.

Why do you assume people are taking that stance?
Any mass gatherings are stupid a this point. It's just different levels of stupidness. Which from a viral perspective doesnt matter

Arghus · 21-06-2020 12:20AM

kippy wrote: »

Why do you assume people are taking that stance?
Any mass gatherings are stupid a this point. It's just different levels of stupidness. Which from a viral perspective doesnt matter

It seems to be one of the characteristics of these times to misrepresent the views of people who disagree.

In this case it's easier to pretend that everyone who criticises the Trump rallies is a cosseted Liberal who turns a blind eye to the risk posed by other mass gatherings.

Whereas, in reality, a lot of people have mixed feelings, conflicted feelings or can argue that both forms of gatherings are foolhardy when there's a pandemic taking place - even if you think the black lives matter protest are, in some ways, morally justifiable.

It's one of the most irritating features of the debate around here at times. Why do people have to assume that because others believe A that it follows they also believe B and C and D as well? I guess it's easier to debate with phantoms with faulty logic.

CalamariFritti · 21-06-2020 12:50AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Well it clearly does, otherwise what's the explanation for the meat processing plants?

I read about this case in the German papers. Mostly its down to negligence on part of the factory owners to put any kind of sufficient safety measures into place. Combined with cheap foreign labour on contracts who share housing.
Sort of Germany's permanent Bulgarian Strawberry Pickers scandal.
District attorney investigating over the negligence bit and supposedly active attempts of concealing the issue. Thats the official line anyway.

Known fact is also that of the 5000 workers they had about 1000 tested as of yesterday and 800 were positive

NRW state government has factory closed and all staff and family quarantined all the way up to owner/CEO and considers local lockdown.

But while thats been driving the numbers up a good bit its not the only reason. Opening up will see cases rise and will put the new procedures ala isolating and tracing to the test. Was always going to be the case once it was clear this thing will not be eradicated.

Kermit.de.frog · 21-06-2020 12:59AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1274463477730590722?s=20

The deaths are going to catch up in the coming days.

Over 4,000 in Florida too but they are doctoring their deaths.

DevilsHaircut · 21-06-2020 08:13AM

Environmental conditions - heat, humidity, UV light - are likely to have an effect on transmission.

Not enough to negate all of the other factors that may apply in a given country.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/summer-weather-could-help-fight-coronavirus-spread-but-wont-halt-the-pandemic/2020/05/15/70ee90e2-95f6-11ea-9f5e-56d8239bf9ad_story.html

zinfandel · 21-06-2020 08:31AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The deaths are going to catch up in the coming days.

Over 4,000 in Florida too but they are doctoring their deaths.

agree, as are alot of states

zinfandel · 21-06-2020 08:32AM

anyone know why Sweden have not reported in for a few days?

drunkmonkey · 21-06-2020 08:34AM

9 of our cases yesterday were under 35, are they a result of the BLM protests here?

kippy · 21-06-2020 08:36AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

9 of our cases yesterday were under 35, are they a result of the BLM protests here?

It's unlikely based on the narrative of the week. But nothing concrete has been said on it yet.

joeguevara · 21-06-2020 08:37AM

zinfandel wrote: »

anyone know why Sweden have not reported in for a few days?

So all the head the balls can post about how we were stupid to go into lockdown and how Sweden showed that the virus was only scaremongering and all is good there.

ninebeanrows · 21-06-2020 08:37AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

9 of our cases yesterday were under 35, are they a result of the BLM protests here?

I dont get this line, I dont understand the point?
9/22 cases were under 35. Is this not in line with the spread of population?

As in 41% of cases yesterday were in those under 35.

Do those aged under 35 not account for around 41% of the population?

What Username Guidelines · 21-06-2020 08:57AM

zinfandel wrote: »

anyone know why Sweden have not reported in for a few days?

It’s a national holiday there

bb1234567 · 21-06-2020 09:00AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53073046

Interesting stats comparing excess death/vs covid deaths in a selection of countries

Peru, Ecuador and Indonesia appear to be the most affected countries in the world, with considerably higher excess deaths than UK, Belgium , Italy, Spain or the USA.

drunkmonkey · 21-06-2020 09:05AM

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

I dont get this line, I dont understand the point?
9/22 cases were under 35. Is this not in line with the spread of population?

As in 41% of cases yesterday were in those under 35.

Do those aged under 35 not account for around 41% of the population?

The point is the young wokies have been out gathering in large numbers. Another protest yesterday in Limerick, LGBT in support of BLM, it was organised by young people with under 18's looking after security/distancing. Let's see how limericks numbers are in 14 days, I'm going to assume they'll be knocked off the leaderboard.
The numbers shouldn't be matching up with the population age, it should be random cases that don't fall in line with age. I fear were going backwards numbers have been rising all week.

Boggles · 21-06-2020 09:18AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

It’s a national holiday there

Sums them up really.

bb1234567 · 21-06-2020 09:32AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The point is the young wokies have been out gathering in large numbers. Another protest yesterday in Limerick, LGBT in support of BLM, it was organised by young people with under 18's looking after security/distancing. Let's see how limericks numbers are in 14 days, I'm going to assume they'll be knocked off the leaderboard.
The numbers shouldn't be matching up with the population age, it should be random cases that don't fall in line with age. I fear were going backwards numbers have been rising all week.

There's not a shred of evidence yet to support that, until there is any sign of any kind of upward trajectory then there is no point to these kind of predictions and especially not blaming certain groups of people for a new outbreak that as far as we know does not even exist!

Akrasia · 21-06-2020 09:32AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Well it clearly does, otherwise what's the explanation for the meat processing plants?

Viruses need moisture to survive low temps which means more condensation and less evaporation scan allow the virus can survive on surfaces for longer, door handles, railings etc

Interestingly, our immune system performs poorly at preventing initial infection in low humidity environments so places like meat factories with cool dry air are like a perfect environment to preserve the virus while limiting the human capacity to prevent infection

Benimar · 21-06-2020 09:58AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

There's not a shred of evidence yet to support that, until there is any sign of any kind of upward trajectory then there is no point to these kind of predictions and especially not blaming certain groups of people for a new outbreak that as far as we know does not even exist!

I don’t think it was aimed at ‘blaming’ anyone.

It’s fairly clear that (some) younger members of society don’t think this is a virus that will impact them. I see it more as a reminder that anyone can catch it.

speckle · 21-06-2020 10:12AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Viruses need moisture to survive low temps which means more condensation and less evaporation scan allow the virus can survive on surfaces for longer, door handles, railings etc

Interestingly, our immune system performs poorly at preventing initial infection in low humidity environments so places like meat factories with cool dry air are like a perfect environment to preserve the virus while limiting the human capacity to prevent infection

Away withe fairies initial question and your reply got me thinking ahead regarding the weather and Ireland and masks. Has anyone on any side of the mask debate thought about the Irish wet weather rendering masks especially cloth masks useless once they become damp?
We really need to thinking further ahead not just short term ie. to the end of the summer. Thanks

Away With The Fairies · 21-06-2020 10:20AM

speckle wrote: »

Away withe fairies initial question and your reply got me thinking ahead regarding the weather and Ireland and masks. Has anyone on any side of the mask debate thought about the Irish wet weather rendering masks especially cloth masks useless once they become damp?
We really need to thinking further ahead not just short term ie. to the end of the summer. Thanks

I picked up a face shield. I'm kind of hoping it will keep my face dry. I'll also have a mask on as well.

EDit · 21-06-2020 10:28AM

speckle wrote: »

Away withe fairies initial question and your reply got me thinking ahead regarding the weather and Ireland and masks. Has anyone on any side of the mask debate thought about the Irish wet weather rendering masks especially cloth masks useless once they become damp?
We really need to thinking further ahead not just short term ie. to the end of the summer. Thanks

speckle · 21-06-2020 10:31AM

EDit wrote: »

haha...Happy Summer Solstice everyone.

ZX7R · 21-06-2020 10:52AM

I am not a soccer or gaa supporter,
Personally into Motorsports.
But it was great to see the different age groups out on the pitches training for there sports this morning.
It was great to see some sort of normality returning.

21-06-2020 11:09AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The point is the young wokies have been out gathering in large numbers. Another protest yesterday in Limerick, LGBT in support of BLM, it was organised by young people with under 18's looking after security/distancing. Let's see how limericks numbers are in 14 days, I'm going to assume they'll be knocked off the leaderboard.
The numbers shouldn't be matching up with the population age, it should be random cases that don't fall in line with age. I fear were going backwards numbers have been rising all week.

What in the world is this logic? All else being equal you'd absolutely expect the cases to roughly match age demographics, except all else isn't equal, with elder people 'cocooning', you'd actually expect more young people to get it.

I see Simon Harris is tweeting about this, as if its outrageous that young people managed to catch it.

speckle · 21-06-2020 11:13AM

ZX7R wrote: »

I am not a soccer or gaa supporter,
Personally into Motorsports.
But it was great to see the different age groups out on the pitches training for there sports this morning.
It was great to see some sort of normality returning.

Well you wont be short of protective gear then from the virus or hurley sticks. Still waiting on the IBT here to come back online.

ZX7R · 21-06-2020 11:56AM

speckle wrote: »

Well you wont be short of protective gear then from the virus or hurley sticks. Still waiting on the IBT here to come back online.

I can understand that the IBT was cancelled during the initial restrictions, but there is no cause for it to be still suspended your riding two different bike's

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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