Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

s1ippy · 20-06-2020 01:10PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

This seems an odd thing to say, Irelan only has 5 millions, so there is only 5 people with the virus in the commmunity at most?

Remember the HSE also assured the public that there was no known community spread occurring in Ireland in March before the outbreak occurred, and they said the chances of catching covid in ireland were very low. They were literally completely wrong, there was thousands of community transmissions cases occurring daily when they announced this.

I am NOT saying there is much virus in the community, or we should be afraid or anything. But I dont see how they could be so sure of this figure especially when so many are asymptomatic.

Yeah like why make such a ridiculously inaccurate statement? Who is paying that guy to say that? What grounding does he have in economics to be saying that we all need to get out and spend at the risk of contracting this (and it is MUCH greater than he claims, for a multitude of reasons)? I thought he was a doctor. Last week, he signed the "Crush the Curve" petition.

owlbethere · 20-06-2020 01:14PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

This seems an odd thing to say, Irelan only has 5 millions, so there is only 5 people with the virus in the commmunity at most?

Remember the HSE also assured the public that there was no known community spread occurring in Ireland in March before the outbreak occurred, and they said the chances of catching covid in ireland were very low at that time.This information they announced to the public was based on very little evidence as they were testing very few people but they said it nonetheless. They were literally completely wrong, there was thousands or even tens of thousands of community transmissions occurring daily as they announced this to the public.

I am NOT saying there is much virus in the community, or we should be afraid or anything. But I dont see how they could be so sure of this figure especially when so many are asymptomatic.

I remember in February or early March the Who was recommending for people not to form in crowds and then in early March, a man was wheeled out onto the late late spinning mental health and recommending for people to go out and mingle (and spend money) - putting the economy before the health and safety of the population.

Blanco100 · 20-06-2020 01:19PM

Surely the acid test will be the definitive period of immunity (if any) and the effects on someone getting it a 2nd time after period of immunity

Is it possible it will hit someone harder the 2nd time if they only had mild/no symptoms the first time?

ACitizenErased · 20-06-2020 01:32PM

Boggles wrote: »

That't not actually a fact.

That's not actually a fact either.

It's a novel virus that we have little to no immunity to and there is no vaccine.

That's an actual fact.

Fauci has pretty much nailed the "phase" we are in at the moment.

Fauci calls 'anti-science bias' in the US problematic

How is it not a fact? It was detected in France and Italy as far back as November. That means it was circulating. I don’t get why you’re disagreeing with a literal fact.

ACitizenErased · 20-06-2020 01:32PM

Zero new cases in Northern Ireland today.

Boggles · 20-06-2020 01:41PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

How is it not a fact? It was detected in France and Italy as far back as November. That means it was circulating. I don’t get why you’re disagreeing with a literal fact.

Could you post a link to that "literal fact"?

ACitizenErased · 20-06-2020 01:46PM

Boggles wrote: »

Could you post a link to that "literal fact"?

Absolutely.
Link to the press release showing that the virus was circulating in Italian sewage in December.
https://www.iss.it/en/primo-piano/-/asset_publisher/o4oGR9qmvUz9/content/id/5422725

First French COVID case was in December.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0505/1136477-covid19-coronavirus-europe/

First Irish case of community transmission in late February predating the first known case. Late February hospitalisation means early February/ late January infection. Person hadn’t travelled abroad.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-man-had-covid-19-in-cork-in-late-february-before-first-confirmed-irish-case-1.4278840?mode=amp

Not sure what other evidence you need that it was circulating in Europe?

Boggles · 20-06-2020 01:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

How is it not a fact? It was detected in France and Italy as far back as November. That means it was circulating. I don’t get why you’re disagreeing with a literal fact.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Absolutely.
Link to the press release showing that the virus was circulating in Italian sewage in December.
https://www.iss.it/en/primo-piano/-/asset_publisher/o4oGR9qmvUz9/content/id/5422725

First French COVID case was in December.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0505/1136477-covid19-coronavirus-europe/

First Irish case of community transmission in late February predating the first known case. Late February hospitalisation means early February/ late January infection. Person hadn’t travelled abroad.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-man-had-covid-19-in-cork-in-late-february-before-first-confirmed-irish-case-1.4278840?mode=amp

Not sure what other evidence you need that it was circulating in Europe?

20-06-2020 01:50PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Absolutely.
Link to the press release showing that the virus was circulating in Italian sewage in December.
https://www.iss.it/en/primo-piano/-/asset_publisher/o4oGR9qmvUz9/content/id/5422725

First French COVID case was in December.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0505/1136477-covid19-coronavirus-europe/

First Irish case of community transmission in late February predating the first known case. Late February hospitalisation means early February/ late January infection. Person hadn’t travelled abroad.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-man-had-covid-19-in-cork-in-late-february-before-first-confirmed-irish-case-1.4278840?mode=amp

Not sure what other evidence you need that it was circulating in Europe?

Plus there was circulation in the community in the USA in Jan. this is old news. The couple who died in Seattle in Jan, who were subsequently found to have had COVID and who had never travelled, was widely reported weeks ago. I don’t get why there is still confusion around the fact that this virus was here weeks, maybe months before we thought it was

ACitizenErased · 20-06-2020 01:50PM

Boggles wrote: »

That reply sums up the conversation tbh. If a person is infected they don’t show symptoms for up to two weeks, sometimes more, sometimes less. If a person is infected in December, it is likely they caught it in November. It’s called the incubation period.

bilston · 20-06-2020 01:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Zero new cases in Northern Ireland today.

It's great news and the number of confirmed new cases has been very low on a daily basis for a week or two now.

The main thing is that despite a loosening of the lockdown there are no indications whatsoever of a second wave...so far...that said we are still a long way from normality, we will see the impact of the inevitable reduction to 1m social distancing in a few weeks time. If there is still no signs of a second wave then we will be a good position.

Of course the problem with all of this is that the virus seems to be out of control in the Americas and other parts of the world now so it could and probably will come back at some point.

Boggles · 20-06-2020 01:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That reply sums up the conversation tbh. If a person is infected they don’t show symptoms for up to two weeks, sometimes more, sometimes less. If a person is infected in December, it is likely they caught it in November. It’s called the incubation period.

So it's no longer a "literal fact"? :pac:

The person in France was the 27th December.

And according to the press release you linked to.

The results, confirmed in two different laboratories by two different methods, showed the presence of SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken in Milan and Turin on 18 December 2019 and in Bologna on 29 January 2020.

Samples from October and November 2019 were negative, showing the virus had yet to arrive, La Rosa said.

ACitizenErased · 20-06-2020 02:05PM

Boggles wrote: »

So it's no longer a "literal fact"? :pac:

The person in France was the 27th December.

And according to the press release you linked to.

The Italian press release says 18th of December. Believe it or not, two weeks before the 18th of December is almost November. I’m not replying anymore because, contrary to belief, putting your replies in bold doesn’t make them anymore valid. Good day.

ACitizenErased · 20-06-2020 02:07PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Doubts as to accuracy.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/will-the-irish-contact-tracing-app-ever-materialise-1.4283739

It's the exact same technology that other countries have adapted. Germany's app has almost 15 million users already.

Boggles · 20-06-2020 02:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The Italian press release says 18th of December. Believe it or not, two weeks before the 18th of December is almost November

Your own link.

Samples from October and November 2019 were negative, showing the virus had yet to arrive, La Rosa said.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

. I’m not replying anymore because, contrary to belief, putting your replies in bold doesn’t make them anymore valid. Good day.

Your not replying anymore because you were stating "facts" and when asked to back up your "facts" you posted links which contradicted your own "facts".

But yeah It's my fault. :rolleyes:

Jim_Hodge · 20-06-2020 02:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's the exact same technology that other countries have adapted. Germany's app has almost 15 million users already.

Nothing to do with the number of users - accuracy. Read the article.

ACitizenErased · 20-06-2020 02:15PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Nothing to do with the number of users - accuracy. Read the article.

I did read the article. They think people may be unnecessarily tested and cause financial burden to them, somehow?

1) The more tested, the better.
2) People will need to be isolated from now on. This is the new normal, and saying that the bluetooth will cause financial burden is an utterly ridiculous argument.

It's a ridiculous article.

Jim_Hodge · 20-06-2020 02:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I did read the article. They think people may be unnecessarily tested and cause financial burden to them, somehow?

1) The more tested, the better.
2) People will need to be isolated from now on. This is the new normal, and saying that the bluetooth will cause financial burden is an utterly ridiculous argument.

It's a ridiculous article.

Fair enough. Good luck. No point discussing it so.:rolleyes: Why not just keep testing everybody randomly so? Forget that. No reply necessary.

ACitizenErased · 20-06-2020 02:22PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Fair enough. Good luck. No point discussing it so.:rolleyes:

Jim, they claim that people being unnecessarily tested will cause a burden. We have a positivity rate of 7% overall, does that mean that the 325,000 people who tested negative were all burdens? They reference it being a 'possible' issue on public transport due to metal poles? It's clutching at straws stuff.

20-06-2020 02:28PM

Lowest Saturday deaths in the UK, across all settings, since the start of lockdown, a further fall in the rolling average deaths, and a downward revision of the national R number to 0.7 - 0.9. It’s been slow, but continuing to inexorably move in the right direction.

ACitizenErased · 20-06-2020 02:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Lowest Saturday deaths in the UK, across all settings, since the start of lockdown, a further fall in the rolling average deaths, and a downward revision of the national R number to 0.7 - 0.9. It’s been slow, but continuing to inexorably move in the right direction.

Finally some sort of 'positive' news from the UK. I really do hope they get it under proper control soon. It will make our issues a lot less worrisome.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-06-2020 02:36PM

Two random Brits show up in New Zealand.

New Zealand has Coronavirus again.

My prediction is the UK will be looked upon as Italy was spreading this around the continent when they are allowed leave their island unrestricted.

eagle eye · 20-06-2020 02:44PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

Two random Brits show up in New Zealand.

New Zealand has Coronavirus again.
My prediction is the UK will be looked upon as Italy was spreading this around the continent when they are allowed leave their island unrestricted.

And I've been saying for a long time now that we need to Quarantine and test all incomers.
Only way we can make sure to avoid a second lockdown.

bilston · 20-06-2020 02:46PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Two random Brits show up in New Zealand.

New Zealand has Coronavirus again.

My prediction is the UK will be looked upon as Italy was spreading this around the continent when they are allowed leave their island unrestricted.

I thought they were New Zealand nationals travelling home from the UK to visit a dying relative as opposed to two "random Brits"

Kermit.de.frog · 20-06-2020 02:47PM

eagle eye wrote: »

And I've been saying for a long time now that we need to Quarantine and test all incomers.
Only way we can make sure to avoid a second lockdown.

I'm actually more interested in the countries that say "nah, you're grand" to their request for 'air bridges'.

ACitizenErased · 20-06-2020 02:49PM

Those two UK cases were last week. New Zealand had two asymptomatic cases today, two of their own citizens returning from India.

speckle · 20-06-2020 02:50PM

For musicians, singers and choirs etc. scroll down link for a pdf of recommendations.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/d06271-easing-the-covid-19-restrictions-on-29-june-phase-3/

'Choir rehearsals have previously been linked to outbreaks in a number of countries (UK, US, Netherlands, South Korea). In addition,
there is some evidence emerging that the playing of brass and some woodwind instruments (e.g. trumpets, trombones, flutes) in
groups may be associated with a higher risk of infection due to increased droplet transmission or aerosol emission.

Given the potential increased risk of transmission especially due to group singing, choirs and playing brass and some wind
instruments in groups, the following precautions are recommended:

Choir practice, teaching and performance, brass and wind instruments music group practice, teaching and performance
should be done while maintaining very strict physical distancing of a minimum of 2 metres from other people, ideally
outdoors, limit duration of indoor practice, teaching and performance with frequent breaks to facilitate regular ventilation
of rooms and instrument cleaning (where applicable);

Singers, choirs and musicians of brass and some woodwind instruments should consider protective equipment and
measures to minimise the potential for droplet or aerosol emission (e.g. instrument covers, screens, face coverings etc).

Where group practice or performances are organised, a risk assessment should be carried out to minimise the risk to the
participants and their audience, including bearing in mind the age profile and risk factors of the participants/audience in question'

Possibly taken direct from proposesd UK guidelines minus their original 3metre rule.
I wonder what musicians organisations they confered with.

Edit found uk article

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/13/coronavirus-blueprint-music-industry-rejected-not-fit-purpose/

EDit · 20-06-2020 02:51PM

bilston wrote: »

I thought they were New Zealand nationals travelling home from the UK to visit a dying relative as opposed to two "random Brits"

It was, but it’s not as exciting as making out random infected Brits are roaming the world trying to reinfect everyone

Boggles · 20-06-2020 02:51PM

bilston wrote: »

I thought they were New Zealand nationals travelling home from the UK to visit a dying relative as opposed to two "random Brits"

They were New Zealand citizens, they left quarantine before been tested.

Jacinda isn't fúcking around anymore and has put the military in charge of the border and quarantine.

caveat emptor · 20-06-2020 02:58PM

Boggles wrote: »

They were New Zealand citizens, they left quarantine before been tested.

Jacinda isn't fúcking around anymore and has put the military in charge of the border and quarantine.

Isn't it funny with a name like Jacintaaaa howaya. She wouldn't go anywhere in Irish society. Happy to stand or sit corrected of due course. Great Leo is a bit different which should be recognised.

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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