Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

is_that_so · 19-06-2020 03:00PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

France can trace back to December as well. We probably had it in Ireland at the time as well. But how come things got worse in February-March?

Probably because it needs the right environment, i.e. enclosed, plus a cluster to spread to. There is a suggestion that you might need quite a few vectors for it to spread. In some superspreader cases some of their contacts affected very few more or not at all.

stephenjmcd · 19-06-2020 03:07PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It's the new normal. You can walk into a pub or restaurant all you want but waiter or waitress are still people that can catch and pass this on. The more people they serve and work with, the bigger the risk. While I'm happy if people wants to catch this themselves, I'm not happy with the selfish behaviour of catching it and passing it on to others. It's selfish of people not to wear a mask. I just highlighted what someone should do when they go into a pub or restaurant. But good ole Ireland, come on in and spread your germs.

Its a good thing then that its not the new normal because none of what you've suggested is in guidelines

2ndcoming · 19-06-2020 03:07PM

No one should be using hand sanitiser as much as that oft quoted post suggests.

You'll burn the top layer of skin off ironically leaving you more prone to infections.

19-06-2020 03:08PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I think I'd just stay at home and have friends over rather than go through that rigmarole, to be honest. Coupled with a time limit, it would defeat the purpose of going out to enjoy socialising.

What you outline is proper process but it's just not worth it. How many masks and plastic bags would I need in my pockets when going out? We'll all end up carrying handbags for the masks, plastic bags, sanitisers etc.
And the chances of somebody else not adhering to protocols, when they gave a few drinks in them, would be too high.

Yeah it simply won't happen.

If somehow it did and it was actually getting enforced, people would just find other ways of socialising. More house parties etc

stephenjmcd · 19-06-2020 03:08PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I think I'd just stay at home and have friends over rather than go through that rigmarole, to be honest. Coupled with a time limit, it would defeat the purpose of going out to enjoy socialising.

What you outline is proper process but it's just not worth it. How many masks and plastic bags would I need in my pockets when going out? We'll all end up carrying handbags for the masks, plastic bags, sanitisers etc.
And the chances of somebody else not adhering to protocols, when they gave a few drinks in them, would be too high.

put it like this, the time limit stuff is only until 20th July while pubs open as restaurants. There's no 'pubs' open until 20th July

stephenjmcd · 19-06-2020 03:15PM

Boggles wrote: »

TBH, it's not going to be much different.

Book the table at 7 home by 9.

The only reason I ever agree to go for dinner is the copious amounts of alcohol I can have after it.

After 20th July so you can go for dinner and as much drink as you want. Its what I'll be doing anyway

is_that_so · 19-06-2020 03:17PM

Looks like we're sending them back "their virus"!

China has released genome sequencing data for the coronavirus responsible for a recent outbreak in Beijing, with officials saying it identified a European strain based on preliminary studies.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0619/1148360-covid19-world/

stephenjmcd · 19-06-2020 03:19PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Looks like we're sending them back "their virus"!

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0619/1148360-covid19-world/

Yup and the best quote out of that is how it might have got in

"It could have been hidden in imported frozen food products, or it was lurking in some dark and humid environment such as Xinfadi, with the environment not having been disinfected or sterilised," Dr Zhang wrote in the article posted on the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection's website.

Gruffalux · 19-06-2020 03:21PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I don't understand why people think that wearing masks in supermarkets makes any sort of sense. Because if it did why are the supermarket staff largely unaffected by COVID19?

In Lidl yesterday about 50% of people were wearing masks. Me too as I have always been doing in enclosed spaces. I think it shows manners and respect. I might have Coronavirus without knowing and I do not want to pass it along to vulnerable people. As much as many seem to be casual about it, it is a nasty illness with potential to harm some badly. I was appreciative of the people who were actively showing respect for their fellow people by wearing a cloth mask. It is not a hassle and may allow more normality to be sustained in these times.

owlbethere · 19-06-2020 03:23PM

It was reported last weekend that our first case of community transmission occured in Cork. A man turned up in hospital with respiratory symptoms. That was on the 25th of February before our first official case was identified here. It was reported that he didn't travel or know a current case of Covid19. So community transmission was occurring before the 25th of February.

shinzon · 19-06-2020 03:26PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

After 20th July so you can go for dinner and as much drink as you want. Its what I'll be doing anyway

Do you really and truly think this that on the 20th of July every pub in Ireland is just going to drop all restrictions and say **** it lads PARTYYYYYYYY. There will be a continuing duty of care for any business be it a bar restaraunt or whatever when the government mandated restrictions are lifted and moved to business owners to sort out. I for one dont want to see the last 3 months flushed down the toilet because the government is no longer telling us what to do in the interests of public health and have piss heads spreading the virus tbh

Plumbthedepths · 19-06-2020 03:27PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

In Lidl yesterday about 50% of people were wearing masks. Me too as I have always been doing in enclosed spaces. I think it shows manners and respect. I might have Coronavirus without knowing and I do not want to pass it along to vulnerable people. As much as many seem to be casual about it, it is a nasty illness with potential to harm some badly. I was appreciative of the people who were actively showing respect for their fellow people by wearing a cloth mask. It is not a hassle and may allow more normality to be sustained in these times.

I was in Tesco's today only one person wearing a mask. Everyone else behaving as required in regards SD. If people try to link the wearing of masks as a sign of respect in an attempt to shame others personally I think it will cause unnecessary stubbornness.

stephenjmcd · 19-06-2020 03:33PM

shinzon wrote: »

Do you really and truly think this that on the 20th of July every pub in Ireland is just going to drop all restrictions and say **** it lads PARTYYYYYYYY. There will be a continuing duty of care for any business be it a bar restaraunt or whatever when the government mandated restrictions are lifted and moved to business owners to sort out. I for one dont want to see the last 3 months flushed down the toilet because the government is no longer telling us what to do in the interests of public health and have piss heads spreading the virus tbh

Where on earth did I say every pub in Ireland is going to drop all restrictions and say party ?? If that's what you've taken from that post your miles away.

From the 20th July you can go to the pub for a few drinks without having food or if you happen to have food and a few drinks you wont have a 105 minute time limit. So when the poster said he would like a meal and a few drinks without a time limit I'm saying he can do that from 20th July.

When you go to a pub on 20th July you'll have table service, everyone in a seat, if all the seats are full the pub is full. Its not what you describe as having a party now is it.

Pubs aren't open until then, what opens on 29th June is restaurants

iamwhoiam · 19-06-2020 03:33PM

2ndcoming wrote: »

No one should be using hand sanitiser as much as that oft quoted post suggests.

You'll burn the top layer of skin off ironically leaving you more prone to infections.

Medical staff would use hand sanitizer very often , the carry a bottle all the time and use it regularly . ?

Sam Russell · 19-06-2020 03:33PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I'm so confused with all this. Wasn't another country testing fruit and finding positives on fruit? How accurate are tests at all?

That was a president of an African country. Some Presidents of quite large countries tell porkies, and one in particularly well known for it, not to mention a Prime Minister of a European country not too far away who is also well known to tell the odd porky.

Did anyone actually check and verify the lab reports of those tests of vegetables that tested positive?

Didn't think so.

ACitizenErased · 19-06-2020 03:36PM

https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1274001179983466498?s=21

Benimar · 19-06-2020 03:37PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Where on earth did I say every pub in Ireland is going to drop all restrictions and say party ?? If that's what you've taken from that post your miles away.

From the 20th July you can go to the pub for a few drinks without having food or if you happen to have food and a few drinks you wont have a 105 minute time limit. So when the poster said he would like a meal and a few drinks without a time limit I'm saying he can do that from 20th July.

When you go to a pub on 20th July you'll have table service, everyone in a seat, if all the seats are full the pub is full. Its not what you describe as having a party now is it.

Pubs aren't open until then, what opens on 29th June is restaurants

Genuine question, where are you hearing this? Because Tony Holohan was very clear last night, there has been no guidance even drawn up in relation to pubs opening on July 20th.

I’m not saying you are right or wrong, but if NPHET haven’t given guidance, it’s hard to see how pubs can know what the regs will be.

Mitch Connor · 19-06-2020 03:38PM

Benimar wrote: »

Genuine question, where are you hearing this? Because Tony Holohan was very clear last night, there has been no guidance even drawn up in relation to pubs opening on July 20th.

I’m not saying you are right or wrong, but if NPHET haven’t given guidance, it’s hard to see how pubs can know what the regs will be.

I think it was Failte Ireland that was giving the recommendations in the post you quoted.

blade1 · 19-06-2020 03:41PM

Not up to speed with the pub guidelines.
Can u meet up with others and sit at the same table or will it be restricted to only household members at each table?

stargazer 68 · 19-06-2020 03:43PM

blade1 wrote: »

Not up to speed with the pub guidelines.
Can u meet up with others and sit at the same table or will it be restricted to only household members at each table?

We booked our local for 29th and were just told all the party had to have a meal and we had the table for 2 hours - weren't asked if we were from the same household etc.

ACitizenErased · 19-06-2020 03:44PM

Revealed: Weddings and outdoor concerts back on as gatherings of up to 100 people allowed from July 20
https://m.independent.ie/news/revealed-weddings-and-outdoor-concerts-back-on-as-gatherings-of-up-to-100-people-allowed-from-july-20-39299198.html

ACitizenErased · 19-06-2020 03:46PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1273984518760865792?s=21

Further announcements to come RE: sports

stephenjmcd · 19-06-2020 03:47PM

Benimar wrote: »

Genuine question, where are you hearing this? Because Tony Holohan was very clear last night, there has been no guidance even drawn up in relation to pubs opening on July 20th.

I’m not saying you are right or wrong, but if NPHET haven’t given guidance, it’s hard to see how pubs can know what the regs will be.

Failte Ireland go to the HPSC, they give the guidelines based off the NPHET guidelines. Its a bit backwards really but nothing new there.
https://twitter.com/Kala_Management/status/1273631604192272385?s=19

podgeandrodge · 19-06-2020 03:49PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

In Lidl yesterday about 50% of people were wearing masks. Me too as I have always been doing in enclosed spaces. I think it shows manners and respect. I might have Coronavirus without knowing and I do not want to pass it along to vulnerable people. As much as many seem to be casual about it, it is a nasty illness with potential to harm some badly. I was appreciative of the people who were actively showing respect for their fellow people by wearing a cloth mask. It is not a hassle and may allow more normality to be sustained in these times.

Here's an article with views on face masks, I'm sure some might not appreciate the views given, others might, and others might be somewhere in the middle.
Warning - one part of the article mentions "Top immunologist, Prof. Dolores Cahill" - which is bound to cause severe rise in blood pressure for some

https://www.meehanmd.com/blog/2020-06-12-healthy-people-should-not-wear-face-masks/

stephenjmcd · 19-06-2020 03:50PM

blade1 wrote: »

Not up to speed with the pub guidelines.
Can u meet up with others and sit at the same table or will it be restricted to only household members at each table?

It says in the guidelines to be 2m aware from those not in your household but nowhere is going to be checking where you live

Gruffalux · 19-06-2020 03:51PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I was in Tesco's today only one person wearing a mask. Everyone else behaving as required in regards SD. If people try to link the wearing of masks as a sign of respect in an attempt to shame others personally I think it will cause unnecessary stubbornness.

Social Distancing has always only been a pragmatic instruction. 2 metres as we see now is an adjustable feast if the economy demands. It basically means don't pile in on top of each other lads and breathe yer germs onto each other. In a way it is more a worse submission to the nanny state because it is an outward show, without real basis in science. Virus particles travel and linger much further than 2 metres. As we open up it is masks which are far more useful in a real sense in enclosed spaces such as buses, shops, planes etc - the exhalations or expectoration from anyone infected are more contained. If we wish to continue to move to a more normal social state then masks will be more important. And yes, more respectful.
But you do as you wish. I will be grateful to and admiring of the others wearing masks in enclosed spaces as much as I want.

zinfandel · 19-06-2020 03:57PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1274001179983466498?s=21

strangely reporting very low death rates despite very high cases, I guess may follow in next week or two.

stephenjmcd · 19-06-2020 03:59PM

Aerlingus to cut 500 jobs due to the continuing restrictions

The airline said the situation in Ireland is “exacerbated” by the 14-day quarantine requirement for arriving passengers and travel advice against all non-essential travel
https://amp.independent.ie/business/jobs/aer-lingus-set-to-cut-up-to-500-jobs-39299664.html?__twitter_impression=true

Plumbthedepths · 19-06-2020 04:00PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

Social Distancing has always only been a pragmatic instruction. 2 metres as we see now is an adjustable feast if the economy demands. It basically means don't pile in on top of each other lads and breathe yer germs onto each other. In a way it is more a worse submission to the nanny state because it is an outward show, without real basis in science. Virus particles travel and linger much further than 2 metres. As we open up it is masks which are far more useful in a real sense in enclosed spaces such as buses, shops, planes etc - the exhalations or expectoration from anyone infected are more contained. If we wish to continue to move to a more normal social state then masks will be more important. And yes, more respectful.
But you do as you wish. I will be grateful to and admiring of the others wearing masks in enclosed spaces as much as I want.

Well to me the fact that Supermarket workers have not dropped dead in their 10's of thousands seems to dispell the fear that Supermarkets are a dangerous place.

Gruffalux · 19-06-2020 04:02PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Well to me the fact that Supermarket workers have not dropped dead in their 10's of thousands seems to dispell the fear that Supermarkets are a dangerous place.

Hyperbole suits you, if I may be so forward

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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